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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 27, 2014 15:31:02 GMT -5
I've always heard of the Haneyverse and now I've experienced it! I love how Bruce Wayne can fight alongside Sgt. Rock in WWII, meet him 30 years later, with Rock having aged normally but Bruce not one day. Or, in the second Rock team-up, he just so happens to track a crook to an old Nazi sympathizer hide-out, and after being thrown down a well after being shot, he's rescued by Hitler/Satan. Apparently he'll later ignore Earth 1/Earth 2 cosmology and have Batman fight alongside Wildcat in a few issues. I bet he would have made Roy Thomas jump out a window if they'd been working at DC at the same time.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 27, 2014 15:43:26 GMT -5
Roy wouldn't jump out a window. He'd start writing a weird, convoluted story explaining away the seeming discrepancy.
My favorite thing about the Haneyverse is Batman walking around in broad daylight, just enjoying the breeze at the park or going to a baseball game (as Batman, not as Bruce Wayne). There is no story with Batman pushing a shopping cart at the supermarket and trying to remember if Alfred wants no-fat milk or lowfat milk, and then suddenly the Shining Knight comes crashing through the window in a fight with Validus! But there should be!
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 27, 2014 15:50:37 GMT -5
Wasn't there somewhat serious talk at one point about creating another alternate Earth to explain Haney's stories? Earth H?
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 27, 2014 15:54:06 GMT -5
Wasn't there somewhat serious talk at one point about creating another alternate Earth to explain Haney's stories? Earth H? I know the fans talked about it a lot, in fanzines and on the Internet. Maybe it was discussed in the letters pages. I don't recall it ever getting past that stage.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 27, 2014 16:27:28 GMT -5
 I get the feeling that this was a common occurrence at poor Jim Aparo's drawing table after reading a Haney script. I love how Haney is depicted as a rugged mountain man, who likes displaying assault rifles on his wall, while Aparo was apparently so smooth that he could draw comics while wearing shades, drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes, all at the same time. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 27, 2014 18:06:36 GMT -5
Earth-B was the proposed location of the Boltinoff/Haney issues of Brave & Bold and World's Finest. I call it "Earth-Bullshit," because it basically came down to Bob Rozakis, who proposed its existence in his Answer Man column, getting his fanboy panties in a bunch because the duo didn't share his continuity fetish. Sure, some of those stories were off the wall or got some niggling detail wrong (or occasionally, I freely admit, some big-ass detail, like Bruce Wayne's psychopathic older brother) but so did a lot of stories not involving either man (including the infamous Mopee story in Flash and the 1958 Wonder Woman origin that gave her a human father and made her hundreds of years old) that Rozakis seemed in no hurry to relegate to his little corner of the DC multiverse. And if I seem a tad harsh in expressing these opinions, it's only because I resent the hell out of some self-appointed continuity cop telling me my all-time favorite run of comics doesn't count. Cei-U! So there!  |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 27, 2014 23:25:37 GMT -5
Somewhat related,I've unearthed my copies of Omniverse by Mark Gruenwald and will post about it shortly.I haven't seen it since I read and tossed it into my closet in 1977 and its...interesting
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Post by paulie on Jun 28, 2014 9:29:10 GMT -5
Earth-B was the proposed location of the Boltinoff/Haney issues of Brave & Bold and World's Finest. I call it "Earth-Bullshit," because it basically came down to Bob Rozakis, who proposed its existence in his Answer Man column, getting his fanboy panties in a bunch because the duo didn't share his continuity fetish. Sure, some of those stories were off the wall or got some niggling detail wrong (or occasionally, I freely admit, some big-ass detail, like Bruce Wayne's psychopathic older brother) but so did a lot of stories not involving either man (including the infamous Mopee story in Flash and the 1958 Wonder Woman origin that gave her a human father and made her hundreds of years old) that Rozakis seemed in no hurry to relegate to his little corner of the DC multiverse. And if I seem a tad harsh in expressing these opinions, it's only because I resent the hell out of some self-appointed continuity cop telling me my all-time favorite run of comics doesn't count. Cei-U! So there! It counts. It counts to you. It is one of my top-10 series of all-time as well.
My thoughts on B&B have always been thus: DC wasn't all that into continuity anyway so if they're going to blow it up then they might as well really blow it up. Ladies and gentleman... I give you Bob Haney.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 28, 2014 10:17:07 GMT -5
I'm sure this exists somewhere... is there a list out there of Silver Age DC that breaks every story into different Earths, so they all make sense? I'm asking not because I want to do some sort of preverse reading project, but rather I'm curious as to HOW many different ones there would be.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 28, 2014 10:43:15 GMT -5
If you're talking strictly Silver Age, the vast majority of those comics take place, at least partly, on Earth-One. Approximately twenty take place solely on Earth-Two. Two stories occur partly on Earth-Three and one partly on Earth-Prime. There are many other parallel Earths seen only once in the various titles, most without any specific designation, as well as the various alternate Earths featured in the Imaginary Stories. I do intend to eventually compile a list but it will entail poring through dozens of my DC indexes and I just don't have the time right now. There is a website, or used to be anyway, that enumerated them all but it reflects post-Crisis continuity and is thus not an accurate reflection of the original set-up.
Cei-U!
I summon Rand-McNally!
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 28, 2014 23:57:30 GMT -5
Just finished the entire Transmetropolitan run and I have to say I have a new respect for Warren Ellis and especially the artistic team of Darick Robertson and Rodney Ramos.
What a great series. Sci-fi muckraker adventures and politics. Thought years ago this was so overhyped until I actually read it.
I've heard over the years fans can't imagine certain characters from any other creative team and I'd say this is definitely one of those characters.
In today's day and age, it's also a breath of fresh air to actually have the original writer, penciled and inker do the entire run. That's salutary in itself, all 60 issues.
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Post by Action Ace on Jun 29, 2014 0:19:58 GMT -5
I'm sure this exists somewhere... is there a list out there of Silver Age DC that breaks every story into different Earths, so they all make sense? I'm asking not because I want to do some sort of preverse reading project, but rather I'm curious as to HOW many different ones there would be. The Crisis Compendium in the Absolute COIE set has a lot of these Earths listed. There are several pages worth. |
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Post by Jasoomian on Jun 29, 2014 2:07:53 GMT -5
Two-Gun Kid #60 (1962) (as reprinted in Marvel Milestones: Rawhide Kid & Two-Gun Kid (2006)) This is the first issue starring a new Two-Gun Kid as Marvel retires the original character who had been around since the 1940's. 13pp - "The Beginning of the Two-Gun Kid!" -- Lee/Kirby/Ayers . Lee or somebody had the bright idea to take all of the superhero gimmicks and transport them to the old West. So a "dude" lawyer moves out west. And being a "dude" is a real bad thing to be, apparently Old West lingo for "sissy" or "punk." He befriends an old man who trains him to become secretly hypercompetent with firearms. The man is killed and when the time comes to avenge his death, the "dude" decides he really gets off on being known as a punk around town. He's a masochist, basically. So he hides his hypercompetence with firearms behind a mask and becomes the Two-Gun Kid, who is hypercomptent with firearms and therefore good at shooting bad guys. 5pp - "The Outcast" - Lee/Heck(?) This native tribe has a medicine man who is like the Cheney/LBJ of the group, always trying to start a (losing) war with the paleface, who wants nothing more to peacefully hang out in their peaceful military forts. He has the chief's son exiled, but the outcast prodigally returns just in time to safe his father from the medicine man's murderous hands. 5pp - "I Hate the Two-Gun Kid!" Lee/Kirby/Ayers The dude punk lawyer needs another layer of his pathos in his origin story. So we have this story which takes a page out of Spider-Man where we have it so the girl the dude loves mistakenly thinks Two-Gun Kid killed her brother. The punk loses again! The original 1962 edition also had a two-page prose stpry reprinted from the 1940s. That wasn't included in the 2006 reprint. |
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Post by Jesse on Jun 29, 2014 5:15:39 GMT -5
Just finished the entire Transmetropolitan run and I have to say I have a new respect for Warren Ellis and especially the artistic team of Darick Robertson and Rodney Ramos. What a great series. Sci-fi muckraker adventures and politics. Thought years ago this was so overhyped until I actually read it. I've heard over the years fans can't imagine certain characters from any other creative team and I'd say this is definitely one of those characters. In today's day and age, it's also a breath of fresh air to actually have the original writer, penciled and inker do the entire run. That's salutary in itself, all 60 issues. I read the entire run for the first time a few years ago and I thought it held up incredibly well. One of my all time favorite series. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 29, 2014 6:53:49 GMT -5
Mostly I agree with you. I'm not a character guy any more. But there are some characters that just don't click with you for one reason or another no matter who is writing them. For me that's Silver/Bronze Age Superman. If Alan Moore can't make him interesting to me (and he couldn't) nobody can. Even if the character wasn't interesting, you must admit the story was. The silver -age Superman was more interesting than the modern version because he was called upon to do real problem solving. The modern version is more dependent on punching his was out of a situation. |
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