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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 16:11:04 GMT -5
I thought there was supposed to be a Bloodshot movie coming out in the next few years?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 22:25:00 GMT -5
I thought there was supposed to be a Bloodshot movie coming out in the next few years? The only project currently in production is the Ninjak vs. the Valiant universe. They may be planning other stuff, but the only one currently moving forward is the digital production they just offered the preview for on Geeking Out. Yes, more Valiant properties were optioned, but only about 1 in 100 things optioned by Hollywood gets as far as pre-production, and about 1 in 10 that gets to pre-production actually gets produced, so who knows where those properties are at for Valiant. Nothing concrete except the Ninjak thing has been seen form them. -M
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 29, 2016 0:12:04 GMT -5
Sony is working on Harbinger, Bloodshot, and then Harbinger Wars, in that order.
BTW, with Valiant's flagship book X-O Manowar approachign # 50, a milestone issue for any indie title, I want to point out that all 50 issues, and 6 additional related issues, were all written by the same writer, Robert Vendetti.
If you like continuity in your universe, with a handful of affordable books and the creators really belting it out giving it their best, and are excited to be on a title for a full four years and are building a universe that still matters and makes sense, try Valiant.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 29, 2016 7:35:36 GMT -5
I'm seriously considering jumping back in to Valiant. I just wish new comics didn't cost so much.
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 29, 2016 13:14:49 GMT -5
They, like DC, knock $ 1 off after 1 or 2 months, on Comixology.
Valiant doesn't run sales as often as some, like Dynamite or Image, but when they do, you can pick up issues for $.99 ea.
They currently are running sales on all X-O back issues, including the originals, Acclaim, and current versions.
FWIW
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 16:49:42 GMT -5
I'm seriously considering jumping back in to Valiant. I just wish new comics didn't cost so much. Then you should go to the Bargain Comic Vault at Bookery Fantasy in Fairborn Ohio. I was there today and they had probably the equivalent of 2 long boxes of new Valiant in the new arrival boxes in the dollar bins, stuff they ordered and that hasn't sold as new comics or regular back issues in their shop over the past couple of years. They put out about 20 long boxes of "new arrivals*" last week and there was new Valiant scattered in all of them. -M *every month they bring in a dozen to a score or so of longboxes of either overstock from the main store or back issues form their warehouse to replenish the stock of the comic vault. THey stay in new arival boxes for a month then get integrated in alphabetically with the standing stock in the basement.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 29, 2016 18:15:33 GMT -5
I'll probably just begin by ordering from mycomicshop, as newer titles over a year old always sell at a substantial discount. Then, if I'm truly hooked, I'll begin pulling the newer stuff so that I'm actually supporting the company with my purchases.
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 29, 2016 19:32:07 GMT -5
I'm almost caught up to current Valiant.
When I am, I'm going to continue the month or two pause to get $ 1 less per issue, but that still supports the company.
Eventually I'm planning on jumping back into the Super titles too, and definitely Doom Patrol.
Just picked up # 1 with the Vertigo 60 % off sale yesterday.
Going to read it tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 19:33:59 GMT -5
Former Power Ranger Jason David Frank officially announced he is going to be Bloodshot:
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 2, 2016 17:46:04 GMT -5
I think there's room for Valiant besides the Big Two.
They'll always be around.
One thing Valiant has going for it is I think the stories on average are better, and the continuity doesn't go back decades.
The more I read of Valiant, the more I like it.
Read the first issue of 4001 A.D. and really thought it was very well done. Probably going to finish the rest of the series tonight and move on to Rai.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 19:46:20 GMT -5
I think there's room for Valiant besides the Big Two. They'll always be around. That's what they said about Dell, Gold Key, Charlton and a host of others that were bigger than Valiant ever was and sold better than Valiant ever will. One thing Valiant has going for it is I think the stories on average are better, and the continuity doesn't go back decades. If quality stories equaled sales for Valiant it might be the first time ever in the comics industry that were the case. And continuity that goes back decades is the main reason most of the customer base that buys int he direct market gets super-hero comics to begin with, so it's lack is a drawback in the eyes of the only customer base they are reachingbecause no one outside a comic shop is likely to ever encounter an issue of Valiant comics in the wild. The more I read of Valiant, the more I like it. Read the first issue of 4001 A.D. and really thought it was very well done. Probably going to finish the rest of the series tonight and move on to Rai. Valiant is barely selling 5-10K copies of books and many of those copies it unsold in bargain bins at comic shops and conventions across the country. AS DC and Marvel flood the market with more and more books shipping more and more often there is less room on the shelves at comic shops for anything else and less room in their budget to order anything else in quantities higher than their pull list customers, so unless there is a massive change in the direct market in the next year or two, those 5-10K sales are far more likely to decrease than increase no matter how much the people already reading the books like what they read as retailers feeling budget crunches stop ordering copies of anything beyond what they can pre-sell because the dollars and shelf space for anything else just isn't there. Increase in sales at DC is just shifting the market share around for example, customers don't actually have more money to spend and new dollars aren't coming into the market to buy books, so if one company sees a spike in sales it means everyone else will see a decrease, until the next new shiny thing comes along and shifts market share the next time. With very rare exceptions (and most of those are Image titles like Walking Dead and Saga), the longer a series runs, the fewer readers it has and the fewer copies retailers order because new growth doesn't happen outside the first 3 issues of any book no matter if it is the best comic book story ever or a turd with a coat of white paint peddled by a publisher looking to make a quick buck. That's just the reality of the market right now. The only people who can change it are the retailers who do the ordering, and they shoulder all the risk so have to be conservative in their ordering and only order what they know they can sell because if they over order on something that doesn't sell, they might not be able to pay for their next order from Diamond (say hello Hastings, or should I say goodbye). In order for a title or a company to see growth, they would have to have copies on he shelves for people to see in places where potential new customers would shop. If digital platforms were priced according tot he mass market pricing structure instead of the comic specialty shop price structure, it might offer a glimmer of hope in that regard, because it's not happening with print copies. On the rare occasion someone new wanders into a comic shop, they are only going to see copies of the best selling titles on the shelf, everything else is ordered to pulls or to sell out by the first weekend after the Wednesday it comes out. That leaves zero room for potential growth of other titles or publishers at the print level. The only thing fueling over ordering now is minimum thresholds for variant covers that retailers can order and sell for a profit even with eating a load of unsold copies. It has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of any comic (or the quality of Valiant in this particular case) but everything to do with the market that currently exists for print comics, which is a niche market and there is very little room for niche titles or publishers within a niche market because the biggest are barely selling at survival levels to the tiny customer base that keeps the market alive. Could there be a change? Sure. But no one who is currently making money in the status quo is going to be an agent of change and most who are not already making money have the capital or resources available to fuel the kind of change needed and the grass roots movement of comic culture that could be an agent of change already exist outside Diamond and the comic shop and Diamond prefers it that way and keeps them out in their role as gatekeeper for the market and uses that position to keep any threat to their status quo/monopoly out. If you want to play in the direct market, you have to play by Diamond's rules and those rules are set to maximize sales int he fewest number of publishers as possible because the more publishers there are selling more product makes Diamond's job more labor intensive and thus lowers profit margins. More sales form fewer publishers lessens labor costs, allows them to cut levels of management and sales to make the margins wider so they net more money even if they sell less overall. If you aren't willing to play by Diamond's rules, you don't get to get into the game of the direct market. And as long as Valiant remains a back of the Previews catalog publisher in the Diamond world, their ability to influence anything Diamond does is nil. -M
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 2, 2016 20:45:51 GMT -5
I have seen and supported many of the companies you site actively.
Could Valiant go away ? They could go away, but I don't think they will.
There are many companies with their share, or less.
If anything, someone will probably buy them out, either a competitor, or another company wanted to merchandise what does exist already.
Despite their future, I've enjoyed Valiant in every iteration, and will continue to enjoy and support them.
I hope they not only survive, but thrive.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 2, 2016 21:31:06 GMT -5
I think there's room for Valiant besides the Big Two. They'll always be around. That's what they said about Dell, Gold Key, Charlton and a host of others that were bigger than Valiant ever was and sold better than Valiant ever will. That's a totally unfair comparison. Those companies existed in an era where the market wasn't cornered by an oligopoly. Dell attained its true heights when DC's sales were already waning, Gold Key continued on that momentum, dominating in the years just prior to Marvel's rise to power, and Charlton came about during a superhero resurgence where it was still anyone's game. DC and Marvel hold fixed positions at the top of the pyramid these days. No company should be expected to do as well in this market as underdog companies did in the Atom and early Silver Age. There are a million reasons why Valiant probably won't make it in the long run, but why broadcast that kind of cynicism? If people want to support and believe in a company doing good things and mustering up fresh enthusiasm, why look for ways for it to fail? In the past twenty years, I can't think of another company offering a superhero line-up that attained the kind of quality and longevity that Valiant already has, so I will continue to root for them and hope that they continue to defy the odds. After all, in 1968, it would have been easy to say many of the same things about Marvel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 22:35:56 GMT -5
That's what they said about Dell, Gold Key, Charlton and a host of others that were bigger than Valiant ever was and sold better than Valiant ever will. That's a totally unfair comparison. Those companies existed in an era where the market wasn't cornered by an oligopoly. Dell attained its true heights when DC's sales were already waning, Gold Key continued on that momentum, dominating in the years just prior to Marvel's rise to power, and Charlton came about during a superhero resurgence where it was still anyone's game. DC and Marvel hold fixed positions at the top of the pyramid these days. No company should be expected to do as well in this market as underdog companies did in the Atom and early Silver Age. There are a million reasons why Valiant probably won't make it in the long run, but why broadcast that kind of cynicism? If people want to support and believe in a company doing good things and mustering up fresh enthusiasm, why look for ways for it to fail? In the past twenty years, I can't think of another company offering a superhero line-up that attained the kind of quality and longevity that Valiant already has, so I will continue to root for them and hope that they continue to defy the odds. After all, in 1968, it would have been easy to say many of the same things about Marvel. I am all for supporting companies or titles you like, but the blind faith in the "if you build it they will come" model only hurts a company's or a title's chances for success in the existing market. If you want to make positive change, you have to start with an understanding of the reality of the situation you are trying to change or you will accomplish nothing. I'm not trying to be cynical, but realistic. Optimism is fine, but if it sets unrealistic expectations and blinds you to the reality of what the situation is and what needs to be done to accomplish what you seek, then that is not optimism but foolhardiness and harmful to the cause you want to promote. Saying "I like Valiant, the Valiant books are good and will survive because of that" sounds good but it does absolutely zero to aid the potential survival of the company/series/title and in fact makes it less likely to survive because it doesn't address what needs to happen for that survival to occur. The current market is regressive and conservative, and the success of initiatives like DC's Rebirth focusing only on popular concepts and saleable titles and increasing frequency of those pouring resources into proven direct market properties at the expense of everything else only drives that point home-that is what is succeeding in the current market, not quality stories, not other shared universes, not different from what the big 2 is doing and what is left of the niche fan market isn't going to migrate to something else it's going to double down (hence double shipping) on what it is already buying. If something like Valiant is going to succeed it needs to find a way to create a larger pool of readers, but those readers are not going to come from the direct market comic junkies who only want the same old fix. They need to find a way to take the quality product they do have and bring it to an audience that has growth potential and in a market that has the resources to support something different that is of quality, but instead they are trying to be Marvel/DC light, spending resources to be like Marvel/DC but lack the biggest resource Marvel & DC have in the market they are seeking, the emotional cache and bond with the existing audience that breeds brand loyalty that transcends the quality of product brought to the market. In that market environment, they will not come even if you build it and singing kumbaya while holding hands in a circle believing it will won't help the company survive let alone thrive. I've seen so many quality books tank and quality companies fold in my years of being involved with comics, gaming and genre hobbies/entertainment in general, and the one thing they all had in common was a firm belief in the if we build it they will come myth without any of them doing the necessary things to achieve the success they wanted because of their misplaced faith in that myth and relaince on it's veracity rather than doing their due diligence and understanding the waters they were entering into and preparing and acting accordingly. If Valiant wants to succeed, they need to find ways to get their stories in front of the eyes of people who would want to read it and appreciate it. I thought they were making stride sin that direction by doing things like offering their products on digital platforms outside Comioxology (things like Drive Thru Comics tied to Drive Thru RPG and cross-promoted with an RPG based on their universe), opening up their IP to paid fan fiction via Amazon's programs, etc. and guess what, it was working, they exploded on the scene and quickly built up a fanbase, but then they started listening to that pie-eyed fans telling them they were so good and would blow up the direct market and beat Marvel and DC at their own game because of the quality of their books and started trying to do things like Marvel and DC (by signing name creators to exclusive contracts, developing big budget films, doubling down on the direct market, etc.-in general all the things the if you build it they will come contingent was suggesting they do)and stopped doing the other things thathad built their rapid rise, and what happens, their sales stagnate and start to regress, find their books essentially remaindered by retailers who ordered them instead of having those retailers support and promote the books, etc. So then they double down and start doing events and cross-overs and that regression in sales increases as people who were interested in supporting quality books not universes were lost and dropped the books they were reading, but all the while the Valiant" supporters kept singing the same tune of keep it up they will come because your books are so good. So looking at the situation realistically (not cynically, but accurately assessing what is happening and trying to figure out the why), with support like that, Valiant doesn't need an detractors. -M
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 3, 2016 10:10:31 GMT -5
I agree with what you're saying.
Just saying that the stories are great, and that because of that, they'll eventually beat Marvel or DC, is not realistic. I agree.
Those characters are baked into pop culture. That's not to say that these characters, at least some of them, could do the same thing. Maybe they could. I could maybe see Bloodshot or X-O making that transition.
To continue doing what they're doing in the direct market is necessary, but they have to continue to try to grow the market outside of the direct market.
You've sited the fanfic, the RPG, the movies, the merchandising - those are all moves in the right direction.
With all of those factors helping, yes, I'm optimistic for them.
The best thing they could do in addition IMO would be 1. offer newsstand distribution, and 2. develop a good video game or MMORG
Getting more mainstream press with stories trumpeting Valiant as the next big superhero universe would help as well. DC started it all, Stan took it to the next level with Marvel, and now, Valiant, the little train that could, continues to build on its 20 years of successes and takes it up another level. Push the fresh angle and "these aren't your dad's comics" and I think they can continue to be more and more successful.
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