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Post by hondobrode on May 4, 2016 23:14:14 GMT -5
I haven't gotten caught up to current Valiant yet.
I'm about a year behind.
4001 looks really good.
It kind of reminds me of the Legion of Super-Heroes concept and what happens in the current Valiant U is reflected in the future.
I keep hearing how everyone hated what Milligan did to Shadowman, but again, it must be something I haven't read yet.
Valiant 3.0 has been more consistently good than either version before.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 5, 2016 7:10:28 GMT -5
But things have rebounded and my interest in the line has rekindled to a degree. Although now I hear that X-O is being cancelled or at least shelved for the time being (and perhaps Imperium as well). From what I heard during my time on the Valiantfans forum was that at issue #50, Aric would be no longer be the wearer of Shanhara and the mantle would be given to a woman. Seeing as how that actually did happen in the original run of the book in the 90's, I was completely fine with it |
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Post by String on May 6, 2016 17:23:27 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, the Fall of X-O one-shot from Book of Death implied something along those lines.
I liked the first issue of 4001. Since I'm catching up, it was nice that it was new reader friendly. Nice build-up of the crisis and based on the situations and characters involved, I'm looking forward to the upcoming tie-in books as well. Crain's art was amazing.
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Post by hondobrode on May 7, 2016 0:05:43 GMT -5
I understand why the Big Two rotate their creatives; the youngier less experienced are more hungry and willing to prove themselves, but by not keeping someone in the limelight too long, you prevent superstars like the pre-Image fellas who took their power and prestige and did their own thing later.
Companies like Valiant benefit from their leftovers.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 7, 2016 8:28:07 GMT -5
I've liked all of Valiant's creative choices except for Vendetti and Milligan. And yeah, you're right, it's the same system that's benefited 2000 AD for decades
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 7, 2016 8:42:43 GMT -5
I've liked all of Valiant's creative choices except for Vendetti and Milligan. And yeah, you're right, it's the same system that's benefited 2000 AD for decades You didn't like Milligan's Punk Mambo?!  I really thought it was the best new Valiant comic I read... Great art and good story, like a cross between good Swamp Thing and Hellblazer. |
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Post by Batflunkie on May 7, 2016 8:57:17 GMT -5
Milligan's Shadowman was crap but Punk Mambo and Eternal Warrior: Days Of Steel were decent
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 7, 2016 9:03:53 GMT -5
Eternal Warrior had average execution, but the concept was actually really good. I think it would have made for a great oversized one shot. ANd Punk Mambo deserved a few more pages  |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 7, 2016 9:04:23 GMT -5
Has Punk Mmabo appeared elsewhere BTW? ANd if so, how was she handled?
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Post by Batflunkie on May 7, 2016 9:07:35 GMT -5
She was in the most recent "Operation: Deadside" story arc of Ninjak, and I think she was handled with same expert precision that Kindt has given the rest of the characters in the book. It also hints at Mambo and Ninjak's history together, but doesn't go much further than that
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Post by String on May 10, 2016 9:29:59 GMT -5
I think Punk Mambo is representative of a problem some fans have with the supposed inter-connectedness of the Valiant universe.
It may have been during the Valiant mini, where Gilad had assembled a vast grouping of heroes and characters to combat the Immortal Enemy. Punk Mambo was there but why? How was she convinced to join the fight and by whom? Seeing these characters all together at once is interesting maybe even fun but given how loose the connections have been between the various titles, the reasons why these characters would join up seemed forced instead of natural.
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Post by hondobrode on May 10, 2016 14:01:18 GMT -5
Wasn't that The Valiant mini ?
Yeah, I hadn't really thought that part through, other than "Wow ! Cool to see all these guys together at once."
you know, like you're early days of seeing JLA/JSA or Avengers vs X-Men...
ASG said it right about PM being kinda Swamp Thing and kinda Hellblazer.
She would fit right in to either title IMO.
I like her, though she's sort of unlikeable
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Post by Batflunkie on May 10, 2016 15:18:20 GMT -5
I like her, though she's sort of unlikeable Isn't that sort of the whole point of punk culture though? To show others we're really like at our most primal state and to scare those in power into changing their priorities? I mean that's how I've always seen it |
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Post by hondobrode on May 10, 2016 20:03:38 GMT -5
Well, of course, you're right.
She's partly abrasive, but interesting.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 23:07:43 GMT -5
So I went to an LCS today to start a pool, nosed around the quarter bins and had I been so inclined I could have gotten about 40-50 different issues of the 2012 Valiant series from Harbinger to X-O to Shadowman to Harbinger Wars etc. out of those bins. I asked the owner why there was so much Valiant there and his response-it just didn't sell. We tried to promote it. We ordered in about 10 copies of each and didn't sell any beyond our pulls. We ordered in the $1 trial books and of all the different series and publishers and we brought in for that Valiant was the only one we sold zero copies of. We now only order it to pulls. We tried for a couple of years to move them as back issues but no one was jumping on, so we just put them in the quarter bins to try to get rid of them just before FCBD, and we're still not selling them, even tried to give some away on FCBD and no one was picking them up.
I know it's only one shop (and it's a shop whose clientele leans more towards indy books than big2), but that doesn't sound like a line that is setting the world on fire and having a lot of growth potential. Their sales on the Diamond charts weren't spectacular to begin with, and if a lot of them are still sitting in stores in shelves rather then selling to end customers, those numbers don't indicate at all what the end customer totals are.
-M
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