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Post by junkmonkey on Mar 8, 2021 17:55:49 GMT -5
Knowing not to go on a tirade about Nazis on social media when you're a very public employee of Disney of all places seems like a bare minimum intelligence check to work there. Plus, she was warned and given a second chance. Beyond that, I would be shocked if Disney didn't have some kind of morality clause or something they make people sign. I mean shoot, if you worked gathering shopping carts in a grocery store and walked around blabbing about Nazis I bet they'd fire you for that, too. Not because they think you are one, but that's going to wig out customers, and the company won't want to be associated with that. Hollywood (I know) has been putting morality clauses into contracts since forever (well since the Fatty Arbuckle / Virginia Rappe case at least). Agreeing while working for someone not to indulge in behaviour that could bring your employer into disrepute, or is contrary to their ethos - then doing just that thing - twice! - would seem like reasonable grounds for not renewing someone's contract to me. But I don't know the details so I'm going to bow out of this conversation.
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Post by impulse on Mar 8, 2021 18:16:33 GMT -5
It’s just as likely it wasn’t this particular quote as it was a demonstrated pattern of not heeding their requirements. Maybe they were just cutting their losses before she really did say something egregious.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 0:05:08 GMT -5
Technically, she didn't lose her job. Disney just chose not to renew her contract after she made controversial statements, John Favreau went to bat for her and got her a second chance, and then doubled down and did it again. And in any case, lots of companies have social media clauses or similar that you can't make the company look bad by association. Saying controversial crap when you're a face employee like Disney is just stupid. She did that one to herself. All true, but she was still fired (or "not renewed") for her opinions rather than for her performance. That means that one's opinions, insofar as they are judged to be upsetting to enough customers, are ground for dismissal. That's precisely what cancel culture is: demanding that someone be fired until the employer folds, even if that person is competent and plays well with others. It's like the write-in campaigns meant to save TV shows, but in reverse. If it is progress, it's not going in a direction I find encouraging! She knew the clause was in her contract when she signed it and chose to take the money anyways rather than refuse because of her principles, then broke her contract by violating the clause in it. The company enforced the deal she agreed to and did not renew it. That's called consequences for one's own actions. You choose the action, you choose the consequences that go with it. She made her choice, probably thinking her popularity and the success of the show would shield her from the consequences of her actions. It didn't. That's on her, not on the company that employed her. I've had jobs where I had morality clauses in my contract. I knew about them when I signed the contract. If I had decided to do something that violated that clause and made my employer look bad by association, I would be fired too. I went in with eyes open and made my choice. So did Carano, but then she made another choice to post controversial things she agreed not to do when she signed the contract. But Disney is the bad guy in this case, and it's cancel culture when one has to face the consequences of one's own decisions and actions. -M |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Mar 9, 2021 12:22:52 GMT -5
Since it was discussed upthread, this seems like a good place to link this, as it highlights one of the things that's bothered me the most about this whole flap over the 'cancellation' of Dr. Seuss: the fact that he would have hated the people stoking all of this fake outrage. In fact, I'm sure that if he had lived to see the results of the 2016 presidential election, or just the campaign leading up to it, he would have written a protest book about it (starring the Ill-Haired Harrumpf or something like that). |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Mar 9, 2021 13:21:50 GMT -5
Growing up as I did, a Jehovah's Witness, all other religious materials (among many other reading material) were "temptations from the devil" as JW's see their religion as the one true religion. (As do many other religions.) But if you are so confident that this is the one true religion and by reading the Bible can see that, then what is the harm in reading other religious texts? Nothing, IF, your religion is the religion of the one true God. But it's not, when you view other views on things as propaganda to your beliefs. It means that there is a sense of uncertainty if you have to ban things from being read. I grew up with a huge amount of censorship in what I could read/watch. And I am not talking about things that were not age appropriate to my age at any given point. I'm talking censorship to the point that I didn't know anything but the religion. Which was exactly the tactic of the JW as an organization. If you don't know anything else, then well keep you as constituents.
Cancel culture is censorship by force to try and thought police people's opinions. And that is not the kind of progress that seems the best for everyone.
From an financial standpoint, the case of Seuss, that's fine. Completely understandable. Advertising it for the express purpose of imposing your moral compass on others, is questionable. This would be something along the lines of me visiting my son's girlfriend's parents for the first time and then critiquing their parenting skills and morals based on my own morals. Good intentions or not, that would not go well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 14:12:59 GMT -5
I return the 'cancel culture' when I can.
We had a supplier, who didn't know we were supported Trump. So he made a lot of nasty, disparaging remarks on his facebook page about Trump supporters. We cancelled our orders.
A few weeks later, he emailed us, because it was a fairly significant account and he didn't want to lose our business and was wondering what happened. I told him, and said if that's the way he feels about us, then go to hell. He tried to repair the damage, but too late.
We haven't lost out at all. We took our business elsewhere.
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Post by impulse on Mar 9, 2021 14:40:18 GMT -5
I return the 'cancel culture' when I can. We had a supplier, who didn't know we were supported Trump. So he made a lot of nasty, disparaging remarks on his facebook page about Trump supporters. We cancelled our orders. A few weeks later, he emailed us, because it was a fairly significant account and he didn't want to lose our business and was wondering what happened. I told him, and said if that's the way he feels about us, then go to hell. He tried to repair the damage, but too late. We haven't lost out at all. We took our business elsewhere. And that is Capitalism at work just as intended! Perfectly your right to do so, and I bet that guy learned something about conducting oneself professionally. This is a perfect example of why companies don't want their employees blabbing controversial or insulting things in public or on social media. They might piss someone off, and the companies lose money. Also, it would be really nice if JUST ONCE I could get all the words I think in my head actually into the post correctly the first time so I didn't have to edit it five times. There, said it. I mean, there I said it! |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 9, 2021 14:48:08 GMT -5
I return the 'cancel culture' when I can. We had a supplier, who didn't know we were supported Trump. So he made a lot of nasty, disparaging remarks on his facebook page about Trump supporters. We cancelled our orders. A few weeks later, he emailed us, because it was a fairly significant account and he didn't want to lose our business and was wondering what happened. I told him, and said if that's the way he feels about us, then go to hell. He tried to repair the damage, but too late. We haven't lost out at all. We took our business elsewhere. And that is Capitalism at work just as intended! Perfectly your right to do so, and I bet that guy learned something about conducting oneself professionally. This is a perfect example of why companies don't want their employees blabbing controversial or insulting things in public or on social media. They might piss someone off, and the companies loses money. Also, it would be really nice it JUST ONCE I could get all the words I think in my head actually into the post correctly the first time so I didn't have to edit it five times. There, said it. I mean, there I said it! It's "cancel culture" when some people do it. It's "resisting the culture wars" when others do it. Mostly it's the free market actually working and nobody likes it even as they worship the "free market." |
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 9, 2021 15:10:59 GMT -5
And that is Capitalism at work just as intended! Perfectly your right to do so, and I bet that guy learned something about conducting oneself professionally. This is a perfect example of why companies don't want their employees blabbing controversial or insulting things in public or on social media. They might piss someone off, and the companies loses money. Also, it would be really nice it JUST ONCE I could get all the words I think in my head actually into the post correctly the first time so I didn't have to edit it five times. There, said it. I mean, there I said it! It's "cancel culture" when some people do it. It's "resisting the culture wars" when others do it. Mostly it's the free market actually working and nobody likes it even as they worship the "free market." Just like certain people who try to express themselves politely are derided as being politically correct, and should just "tell it like it is." Until they do, and then they're being "offensive." |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 15:13:35 GMT -5
Royal Family shenanigans interest me as much as the Kardashians....they are both equally a waste of my time.
Don't mind the Queen on my pound notes though....
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 9, 2021 15:15:50 GMT -5
I'm perplexed enough about Brits who support the royal family. For Americans to do so is just bat-guano nuts.
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Post by impulse on Mar 9, 2021 15:26:54 GMT -5
It's "cancel culture" when some people do it. It's "resisting the culture wars" when others do it. Mostly it's the free market actually working and nobody likes it even as they worship the "free market." Just like certain people who try to express themselves politely are derided as being politically correct, and should just "tell it like it is." Until they do, and then they're being "offensive." It seems to me that people who loudly boast about liking when someone "tells it like it is" really mean they like when someone "tells them what they want to hear." I get it. I like when the delivery app tells me that my food is on the way, as that is both true AND what I want to hear at the time. I think I'm hungry. I'm perplexed enough about Brits who support the royal family. For Americans to do so is just bat-guano nuts. I admit I am mildly interested to see one of them finally have enough of the internal shenanigans and publicly put them on blast. I also have to give Harry respect for having the integrity to stick up for his wife and to tell the royals to kiss his ass and leave. That was, what, two sentences? That's about the extent of my interest in the royals. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 9, 2021 15:29:35 GMT -5
I'm perplexed enough about Brits who support the royal family. For Americans to do so is just bat-guano nuts. Bingo. But many Americans do seem to have an unslaking thirst for celebrity of all types -- and being voyeurs of all of them . Hence, "600-Pound Housewives and their 90-Day Hoarder Fiancés Visit Dr. Pimple-Popper after Sex Sent Them to the ER." New series on The Learning Channel. |
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Post by impulse on Mar 9, 2021 15:33:02 GMT -5
Hence, "600-Pound Housewives and their 90-Day Hoarder Fiancés Visit Dr. Pimple-Popper after Sex Sent Them to the ER." Oh, they're making a documentary about Alabama now? I kid, I kid. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 9, 2021 15:47:29 GMT -5
I return the 'cancel culture' when I can. We had a supplier, who didn't know we were supported Trump. So he made a lot of nasty, disparaging remarks on his facebook page about Trump supporters. We cancelled our orders. A few weeks later, he emailed us, because it was a fairly significant account and he didn't want to lose our business and was wondering what happened. I told him, and said if that's the way he feels about us, then go to hell. He tried to repair the damage, but too late. We haven't lost out at all. We took our business elsewhere. Bully for you! Know just how you feel. We've always gone to our favorite fried fish place once at the beginning of the summer, once on Columbus Day weekend, when it closes for the season. We'd go more, actually, but we don't want to overdo the fried foods. Anyway, we received a nice gift certificate, equal to those two trips last fall. Used half of it for that Columbus Day trip. Then the owner bragged on the radio about being one of the patriots who was there when the Capitol was stormed. Got all kinds of credit from the host for being a stand-up supporter of the Big Lie. The next day Captain Murka was dealing with the criticism from tons of soon-to-be former customers, weaseling and whinging all over the front page of the paper claiming to be a misunderstood victim. Am I ever going back to his place? Yep, to spend the rest of the gift certificate that's already been paid for. Will I ever return? No frikkin' way. I can buy fried fish platters from a non-seditionist, or at least from someone who knows not to try to whine his way out of his "principled" statement. FREEDOM! HUZZAH, CAPITALISM! |
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