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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 15, 2014 11:58:28 GMT -5
The opening scene of ST:TMP, with the Klingon cruisers and the introduction of the Klingon theme, is still one of my favourite visual effects in all the franchise's history. The ships and the Klingons looked authentic, they looked really foreign.
It's true that the film is slow and not big on action; at the time I thought it was a conscious choice to really state that this movie was not a reaction to the success of Star Wars. Coke & comics has it right: it was closer to 2001 than to other films of the time.
The novelization by Alan Dean Foster was also pretty good, what with Kirk's comments on his and Spock's sexuality and the dam on the Mediterranean.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 15, 2014 17:51:36 GMT -5
The novelization by Alan Dean Foster was also pretty good, what with Kirk's comments on his and Spock's sexuality and the dam on the Mediterranean. I read that a long, long time ago but I remember it fleshing out a lot of stuff that wasn't explained in the movie. Also, wasn't the author listed as Gene Roddenbury on the book cover? |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 15, 2014 18:48:39 GMT -5
The novelization by Alan Dean Foster was also pretty good, what with Kirk's comments on his and Spock's sexuality and the dam on the Mediterranean. I read that a long, long time ago but I remember it fleshing out a lot of stuff that wasn't explained in the movie. Also, wasn't the author listed as Gene Roddenbury on the book cover? Yes indeed, and actually many reviews on the web say that Roddenberry did write the novelization of the Foster treatment that was used as the basis for the film. It's hard to tell with all this ghostwriting, especially since Foster wrote the Star Wars novelization that came out under George Lucas's byline. Both novelizations were pretty good, but it's true that the Star Trek one had a vey Rodenberry-esque flavor to it so it could very well be that the great bird of the galaxy wrote it. edit: Wikipedia also says that Roddenberry wrote it, and that thinking Foster ghostwrote it is a common mistake. I learned something today. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 15, 2014 20:44:20 GMT -5
edit: Wikipedia also says that Roddenberry wrote it, and that thinking Foster ghostwrote it is a common mistake. I learned something today. I was gonna say, I knew that Foster wrote the Star Wars novelization, but that's very different in tone to the ST:TMP novelization. |
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 15, 2014 21:07:56 GMT -5
No Aliens? Aw man.  Aliens really wowed me at 13-15 or so whenever I watched it on Fox slightly edited. But owning all four movies, it is the least watched by me. You seriously watch 3 and 4 more often than 2? Why would one do that to oneself? |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 15, 2014 21:33:55 GMT -5
Aliens really wowed me at 13-15 or so whenever I watched it on Fox slightly edited. But owning all four movies, it is the least watched by me. You seriously watch 3 and 4 more often than 2? Why would one do that to oneself? Alien and Alien 3 are my favorite of the four. I find the menace of one Alien in less than militarized setting far more entertaining than the action flick style of Aliens and Resdurection. |
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 15, 2014 23:58:53 GMT -5
Conversely, the Final Frontier is rooted in a big idea, the search for God, as Insurrection is rooted in the ethical conflict between displacing a colony and curing disease. Both more science fictiony, but both also the most flawed as films. I'd say 10 is the most flawed Star Trek film... |
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 16, 2014 0:01:27 GMT -5
Also, while we're on the subject of The Final Frontier, I've always felt that there was something simultaneously inappropriate, ridiculous and titillating about Uhura's naked moonlit fan dance. I want to hate that scene but I can't because, you know...it's Uhura. In the moonlight. Nekkid. At an age when only lonely dregs all alone in a desert would care... |
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 16, 2014 0:05:01 GMT -5
Kirk's comments on his and Spock's sexuality. His what now? I bought that and skimmed it years ago...missed that. |
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 16, 2014 0:14:08 GMT -5
You seriously watch 3 and 4 more often than 2? Why would one do that to oneself? Alien and Alien 3 are my favorite of the four. I can't stand 3. It has the 1 cool bit with the prisoner actually managing to fight an alien for a minute, being all "Is that all you got?!?", but that's it. The girl we got attatched to in 2 dies off camera before it begins, as does Bishop, the humans are killers and rapists...I'm not even sure if I should root for most of them over the aliens... |
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 16, 2014 0:22:32 GMT -5
Conversely, the Final Frontier is rooted in a big idea, the search for God, as Insurrection is rooted in the ethical conflict between displacing a colony and curing disease. Both more science fictiony, but both also the most flawed as films. I'd say 10 is the most flawed Star Trek film... I think I had already dismissed Nemesis and Into Darkness earlier in the post. In that sentence, I meant the most flawed on the 10 films with some redeeming value. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 16, 2014 0:47:22 GMT -5
I saw the first four Star Trek movies and enjoyed them all, though at the same time they were all a bit disappointing in comparison to the tv series, some more than others. I still wouldn't mind seeing all of them again sometime. Looking at the wiki list, I wanted to see 5. The Final Frontier, but I was in the middle of a move when it came out and missed it at the theatres.
I did see the last of the Kirk movies, 6. The Undiscovered Country, and also the Next Generation films 8. First Contact and 10. Nemesis. They were OK, but came even farther than the earlier films to capturing the essence of what I liked best about the respective tv series. I haven't seen the new reboot ones - the whole idea doesn't appeal to me at all, any more than "Young Sherlock Holmes" or "Young James Bond" or any of that kind of thing.
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 16, 2014 1:06:46 GMT -5
I saw the first four Star Trek movies and enjoyed them all, though at the same time they were all a bit disappointing in comparison to the tv series, some more than others. I still wouldn't mind seeing all of them again sometime. Looking at the wiki list, I wanted to see 5. The Final Frontier, but I was in the middle of a move when it came out and missed it at the theatres. I did see the last of the Kirk movies, 6. The Undiscovered Country, and also the Next Generation films 8. First Contact and 10. Nemesis. They were OK, but came even farther than the earlier films to capturing the essence of what I liked best about the respective tv series. I haven't seen the new reboot ones - the whole idea doesn't appeal to me at all, any more than "Young Sherlock Holmes" or "Young James Bond" or any of that kind of thing. Technically, 7 could be considered the last of the Kirk films... |
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Post by berkley on Jul 16, 2014 2:15:07 GMT -5
I saw the first four Star Trek movies and enjoyed them all, though at the same time they were all a bit disappointing in comparison to the tv series, some more than others. I still wouldn't mind seeing all of them again sometime. Looking at the wiki list, I wanted to see 5. The Final Frontier, but I was in the middle of a move when it came out and missed it at the theatres. I did see the last of the Kirk movies, 6. The Undiscovered Country, and also the Next Generation films 8. First Contact and 10. Nemesis. They were OK, but came even farther than the earlier films to capturing the essence of what I liked best about the respective tv series. I haven't seen the new reboot ones - the whole idea doesn't appeal to me at all, any more than "Young Sherlock Holmes" or "Young James Bond" or any of that kind of thing. Technically, 7 could be considered the last of the Kirk films... That's the one where Kirk and Picard were both in it? I wasn't interested at the time - didn't start watching the NG until about the 4th season - but yeah, I'll probably try to see it one of these days, even though my opinion of the NG series has dipped a bit over the years. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 16, 2014 6:23:31 GMT -5
At an age when only lonely dregs all alone in a desert would care... And horny, hormone ravaged nerds in their early teens...which, of course, I was when this film came out.  |
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