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Post by spoon on Jan 20, 2016 18:30:08 GMT -5
I interpreted Batman's remarks from JLI #7 differently. He talked about stepping back from the top spot. To me, that just sounded like resigning from leadership. It seems like a weird thing to do, though, since it shouldn't save much time. The stated logic was that he wanted to keep a lower profile, not save time. I've just commented on the time aspect because, if he was running with two super teams at the time, that didn't leave much room for crime fighting in Gotham, nor working with his ward. But again, as with Dr. Fate, editorial was largely asleep at the wheel with what characters were doing across titles and offices. You're right. He said lower profile. But if he's only stepping down from leadership, that would still be weird. One would think every member of the JLI would garner lots of attention. |
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Post by shaxper on Jan 20, 2016 20:59:08 GMT -5
The stated logic was that he wanted to keep a lower profile, not save time. I've just commented on the time aspect because, if he was running with two super teams at the time, that didn't leave much room for crime fighting in Gotham, nor working with his ward. But again, as with Dr. Fate, editorial was largely asleep at the wheel with what characters were doing across titles and offices. You're right. He said lower profile. But if he's only stepping down from leadership, that would still be weird. One would think every member of the JLI would garner lots of attention. From an editorial standpoint, it made sense having Batman on the team in the beginning as he brought the book sales and legitimacy in an effort to get folks to read about a team of mostly untried and barely known heroes. And I guess the decision to step back and go low profile makes sense from both a creative standpoint (the team was selling well; no more need to keep Batman in the spotlight, taking attention away from the characters Giffen really wanted to explore) and a character standpoint (Batman was being reinvented into an urban myth in Denny O'Neil's office around this time). But really, did Batman ever make sense as part of a super team? Let's just call this for what it was -- a marketing decision that's now being scaled back in favor of a creative team decision. Otherwise, there's just no logic in Batman ever having been a member of The League, let alone remaining as one now. |
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 20, 2016 21:07:42 GMT -5
"You tell him that Batman belongs to DC Comics, not Denny O'Neil!" *slams phone*
loner urban myth Batman....BAH!
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 21, 2016 2:36:37 GMT -5
I always liked the first 20 issues of Justice League. Did not know the Millennium stories and that explains a lot between issues #9 and #10. Kevin Macguire's art was very good, but I stopped reading after he left. Issues 11-20 really start to fall apart in my opinion. Partly due to the lack of Kevin's art. The Lobo story is very good. It basically brought Lobo into the post crisis era with a bang and also returned Guy Gardner to his more familiar personality. However there are a lot of plot lines that seem to be unfinished. (ie, Queen Bee storyline). Good luck on reviewing these. The Queen Bee storyline becomes more significant later. |
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Post by shaxper on Jan 21, 2016 20:13:14 GMT -5
Millennium #4  "Forth" writer: Steve Englehart pencils: Joe Staton inks: Ian Gibson letters: Bob Lappan colors: Carl Gafford editor: Andy Helfer Whereas the last few issues gave a lot of attention to the JLI, they appear in exactly one panel of this issue:  Batman, Booster Gold, and Captain Atom also have their individual subplots in play that setup their inevitable tie-in issues on sale this week, but of these, only Booster's appears to have any potential long term significance, as it pits Booster against The League by working for The Manhunters.  There's a good chance this is either an act or there will be a last minute change of heart, but maybe this will come up later on. Or maybe I'm trying too hard to justify my reading this issue. It's really entirely insignificant from a JLI standpoint. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 21, 2016 20:21:42 GMT -5
I'm going up to my attic to find that Millennium series to tear them to pieces...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 20:36:50 GMT -5
I at least like the Madame Xanadu cover. It's not up to Kaluta standards, but not a bad piece.
I also find it amusing to see Steve Englehart return to the character whose book that him from DC and that he recreated as a different character for a creator-owned series in Scorpio Rose.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 21, 2016 21:00:57 GMT -5
I at least like the Madame Xanadu cover. It's not up to Kaluta standards, but not a bad piece. Really, the one positive aspect of the series thus far has been the covers, especially #1 and this one. |
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 21, 2016 22:19:07 GMT -5
I just remembered a JLI appearance that's coming up that I don't have.
The four issue mini series "The Weird." It's a Jim Starlin/ Bernie Wrightson production.
It's got Superman and the JLI composed of Batman, J'onn, angry Guy, Black Canary, Kent Nelson Dr. Fate and Captain Atom. How? I have no idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 22:52:08 GMT -5
I just remembered a JLI appearance that's coming up that I don't have. The four issue mini series "The Weird." It's a Jim Starlin/ Bernie Wrightson production. It's got Superman and the JLI composed of Batman, J'onn, angry Guy, Black Canary, Kent Nelson Dr. Fate and Captain Atom. How? I have no idea. But it's Wrightson art so it's all good!  -M |
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Post by shaxper on Jan 21, 2016 22:56:15 GMT -5
I just remembered a JLI appearance that's coming up that I don't have. The four issue mini series "The Weird." It's a Jim Starlin/ Bernie Wrightson production. It's got Superman and the JLI composed of Batman, J'onn, angry Guy, Black Canary, Kent Nelson Dr. Fate and Captain Atom. How? I have no idea. Tempting for the creative team, but I probably won't review it unless you feel these JLI appearances are somehow significant (beyond the clear editorial snafus). I'm already regretting these Millennium reviews  |
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 22, 2016 0:09:17 GMT -5
Wow, you're actually going to read and review Millenium? My condolences.. Much like Legends, the emphasis will only be on how it affects The League. I'll be able to breeze through them quite quickly if The League doesn't do all that much. You were warned!  |
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 22, 2016 0:14:38 GMT -5
I just remembered a JLI appearance that's coming up that I don't have. The four issue mini series "The Weird." It's a Jim Starlin/ Bernie Wrightson production. It's got Superman and the JLI composed of Batman, J'onn, angry Guy, Black Canary, Kent Nelson Dr. Fate and Captain Atom. How? I have no idea. Tempting for the creative team, but I probably won't review it unless you feel these JLI appearances are somehow significant (beyond the clear editorial snafus). I'm already regretting these Millennium reviews After reading the synopsis of the series, I don't think it's that significant. They seem to be in all of the issues, but I don't it has anything to offer other than the aforementioned continuity headache. Has anyone here read the mini series? Surely we have at least one Wrightson completionist. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 0:23:44 GMT -5
Tempting for the creative team, but I probably won't review it unless you feel these JLI appearances are somehow significant (beyond the clear editorial snafus). I'm already regretting these Millennium reviews After reading the synopsis of the series, I don't think it's that significant. They seem to be in all of the issues, but I don't it has anything to offer other than the aforementioned continuity headache. Has anyone here read the mini series? Surely we have at least one Wrightson completionist. I read it when it came out lo those many years ago. I sill have it, but I can't say I have reread it since to remember what it was about. It introduced a new character-The Weird-that Starlin revisited when he returned to DC for a time pre-Flashpoint. I remember it came out around the same time as the 4 issue Martian Manhunter done by J.M.DeMatteis and Mark Badger and thinking hte Manhunter mini (which features the JLI and Batman throughout) was more in tune with what was going on in the JLI series and more relevant to it. But again this was 1988 and my memories are sketchy. Superman also plays a role in the Weird, and if I remember right the League has to fight Supes for some reason. -M |
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 22, 2016 1:34:45 GMT -5
I just remembered a JLI appearance that's coming up that I don't have. The four issue mini series "The Weird." It's a Jim Starlin/ Bernie Wrightson production. It's got Superman and the JLI composed of Batman, J'onn, angry Guy, Black Canary, Kent Nelson Dr. Fate and Captain Atom. How? I have no idea. I remember that! It was very JLI heavy, as I recall, with Gardner in particular getting a lot of panel time. |
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