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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 23, 2015 8:40:23 GMT -5
Writing in a hellacious hurry this morning so I have to keep this quick. #2. Bill Watterson blah blah blah Calvin & Hobbes blah blah blah one of the best newspaper strips ever blah blah blah creative genius blah blah blah We've heard it all in previous citations so all I’ll add is this: one of the primary reasons Watterson placed so high on my list is his integrity. He walked away from a hit strip at the top of his game to spare us the bloated, unfunny caricature of itself strips usually devolve into when a creator stays on too long, and he has consistently refused merchandising of his characters (except for book collections and calendars) despite the vast sums he could earn from it. Right on, Bill. Cei-U! I summon the class act! PS: I’ll be logging on from my sister's house tomorrow morning so the Twelfth Day post may go up later than has been usual this year.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 23, 2015 8:53:01 GMT -5
2. Sergio AragonesIf I had to pick a mount rushmore of Comic artists, Sergio Aragones would be part of that group. After making his legend in Mad magazine for many years, he started to do Groo for Pacific comics. He is known for being one of the fastest artists in the business. When asked why, he responded that other artists have to research how to draw acurately but he can draw noses like a potatoe and get away with it. That’s how humble this man is. I consider that he is a master of facial expressions and he conveys so much information in simple drawings. I know that he had dialogue help from Mark Evanier for his Groo series so I will post images from his other comic work. edit: I just wanted to add that everytime I see an Aragones drawing , it puts a smile on my face.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 23, 2015 8:55:14 GMT -5
It's time to talk about my main man... 2. Hugo PrattIn addition to being an absolute master of comic book page cinematography and pacing and the creator of one of fiction's most lovable cads years before anyone knew the name Han Solo, the first Corto Maltese volume, produced by Pratt as a stand alone story arc, reads as one of the finest pieces of literature I've ever absorbed. And Pratt does most of it through the visuals. There are deep story arcs in play, great struggles, tremendous mysteries to uncover, and at least one profound tragedy, but amidst all of this, Pratt knows when to just shut up for a panel and let nature talk. And that, in a sense, becomes the core theme of Beyond the Salt Sea. In spite of all of humanity's politics, wars, and struggles, it's all just fleeting noise. Whenever those seagulls are invoked, they always serve as a reminder that they are attached to something greater and more permanent than anything playing out on the page. Corto Maltese understands this and is both captivated and frustrated by it, which is why, even though he enjoys playing the game of adventurer at times, what he wants most profoundly is to escape civilization in all its forms, lie out on a beach, and be a part of the Salt Sea. A powerful expatriate sentiment conveyed more eloquently than in any of the great literature coming out of the Paris expatriate scene a generation earlier, in my opinion. The rest of the Corto Maltese volumes retain the high art and are probably worthy of inclusion on my list for that alone, but that first volume truly conveys something deep and profound in its art, characterization, and plotting that could never be conveyed adequately with conventional literature.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 9:42:16 GMT -5
Number Two - Main Creator of Batman - Bill FingerMore I read about Bill Finger and talking to my friends at the Comic Book Store that I go to on a monthly basis to pick up my print copies of my favorites and all. I have been investigating the real creator of Batman and I'm pretty much fed up with the arrogance of Bob Kane who drew Batman in the early days of Detective Comics and so forth. When I read this book below (I borrowed a copy of it from a friend of mine) the more madder over the prospect of Bob Kane taking all the credit of Batman. FOR THE RECORD - I DON'T WANT THIS TURN INTO A DEBATE HERE ... PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT.Taking into the account of Bob Kane original concept of Batman ... his picture below - So freaking Ugly!
And, the concept that Bill Finger wanted in the 1st Place ... see his picture below - A Masterpiece
What I was told by my friends that Bob Kane did not want the concept of Bill Finger in the first place and after several days of arguing each other Bob Kane finally gave in and accepted the concept that Mr. Finger in the 1st place and what makes me so mad that Bob took full credit of the creation of Batman in the 1st Place and never, ever acknowledge Mr. Finger existence of what I understand talking to my friends and hence the book that came out saying Mr. Finger is the secret co-creator of Batman. To me, this is totally wrong on the part of Bob Kane and having said that the costume itself should be credited to Mr. Finger himself. Last year when Batman TV Show just finally released all 120 episodes and I get tired of seeing Bob Kane getting all the credit due and I considered the DVD that some of you already brought should be considered BOOTLEGGED because it's doesn't have Mr. Finger in the END CREDITS of each of the 120 shows that Adam West and Burt Ward starred in. I'm still mad over the fact that Mr. Finger never gotten the recognition (that he deserved) that he is the rightful creator of Batman.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 23, 2015 9:51:54 GMT -5
Bill Finger is not eligible under the event rules, Mech, sorry. Unlike the aforementioned Jim Shooter, who provided layouts for many of his scripts, Finger was strictly a writer.
Cei-U! I put my foot down!
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 23, 2015 10:18:58 GMT -5
2. Mike GrellWarlord. Jon Sable. Green Arrow. There's three reasons right there. Yes, it's slightly ironic, given that my favorite Warlord issues are those ghost written by his then-wife Sharon. And that i think his best writing was on Green Arrow, when he wasn't drawing the book. But the guy wrote this scene where a gay Broadway dancer defeats an anrgy ethnic gang in a dance-off through the power of friendship. So... any argument against Grell is invalid.
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 23, 2015 10:31:38 GMT -5
#2. Alan DavisArguably the most straightforward cartoonist of the British Invasion of the 80's, Alan Davis didn't really shine until the 90's, ironically when he was his sensibilities and style were the most opposed to the state of comics at the time. He was the Marvel equivalent of Dan Jurgens, keeping this simple and by the books in superhero comics, yet strangely aiming for something more with the books he worked on, namely the X-Men spinoff book, Excalibur. Though Davis initially launched the book with Chris Claremont, Davis didn't take complete control over the book until issue #41. The book took on a strange sense of humor, offbeat British satire combined with heavy pop culture parodying. The best way I can describe it would be National Lampoon through the lens of the comic book. Davis also developed characters that had largely been relegated to the background in the past, such as Nightcrawler and Rachel Summer, proving them to be competent leaders and more powerful than we thought. Alan Davis' art really helps the subtext come forward because of how simple his art is. His characters are warm and lithe, without excessive lines to muddy the image. It was house style superhero art, but in an era where that paradigm had largely shifted in an ugly direction. He also wrote and drew the amazing Superboy's Legion so I'll take any chance I can get to sneak in another Legion creator.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 23, 2015 10:47:04 GMT -5
So we're almost there, and almost there is my #2 pick, Canada's own Dave Cooper! I first became aware of him with the Dark Horse Presents serialized story of Dan & Larry. This had a profound impact on me, on par with my upcomming #1 pick. I realized I already had a few of his earlier comics, but nothing matched the creepyness and craft this ew story achieved. Using a surreal funny animals context, Cooper explored deep anxiety and weakness, culminating in a horrible rape scene between to friends that result in silence and life gong on, but with deep invisible scars... This might have been the first comic that truely made me uncomfortable, yet made me feel so much empathy, and it was only a little funny animal story! After that, I went back to investigate his library, discovering the as amazing Suckle, Crumple, many short stories, and his next masterpiece, the Weasel serialized Ripple, an intimate look at an artist's doubts and insecurities, a major step forward in Cooper's craft as this would mostly lead him to the fine arts world, getting all sorts of fans such as David Cronenberg or Guillermo Del Toro... Oh, and on the way he became an art direcotor for the Futurama show. Early on, he did many short strips for the Nickelodeon magazine, often collaborating with Johnny Ryan, this collaboration culminating in the all-age pig goat banana cricket cartoon that manages to adapt Coopers colors and drawing style into animation, an unlikely but successful accomplishment. Cooper might be gone from the comic book world for now, but as he started at the bottom, lettering and inking lame 90ies mainstream books, his passion might draw him back to us, I know that my passion for him still runs deep, to the point he was the first artist that prompt me to buy original artwork of his, and my crave for it is even stronger these days. His perfected style of blurry lines and unique colors setting is a striking diegesis that has no par in the comics world, a diegesis where ugly is beautiful, where fat triggers uncontroled lust and disgust, where women are so holy they almost become a scary species of their own, a world where Boticceli, Kevin O'Neill and Russ Meyer are in charge of the design, one Bill Wray, Pat McEown and Frank Quitely often are visiting.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 23, 2015 10:50:35 GMT -5
Alan Davis missed my list. I really enjoyed his Nail miniseries. Glad Pharazonk included it.
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Post by MDG on Dec 23, 2015 11:42:39 GMT -5
2. Harvey KurtzmanWhile mainly known as a writer/editor, and because his most noted work was done in collaboration with others, Harvey Kurtzman remains one of the greatest solo acts in comics. For a long time, it was hard to find his non-EC comics work, but thanks to Denis Kitchen and others, Hey Look!, Pot-Shot Pete, The Jungle Book, various magazine pieces, etc., are pretty easily available now. Like Toth, his art can seem very simplistic and minimal on the surface--especially his war work, which is almost at odds with the heavy illustrative styles of Severin, Wood, Evans--it's always calculated for a specific emotional response. The Jungle Book might be his best solo effort.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 23, 2015 11:52:46 GMT -5
#2. Bill Watterson
blah blah blah Calvin & Hobbes blah blah blah one of the best newspaper strips ever blah blah blah creative genius blah blah blah We've heard it all in previous citations so all I’ll add is this: one of the primary reasons Watterson placed so high on my list is his integrity. He walked away from a hit strip at the top of his game to spare us the bloated, unfunny caricature of itself strips usually devolve into when a creator stays on too long, and he has consistently refused merchandising of his characters (except for book collections and calendars) despite the vast sums he could earn from it. Right on, Bill. Cei-U! I summon the class act! When time permits, I will also be naming Watterson as my Day 11 choice, and for all of the reasons you have described so well, Kurt.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 23, 2015 11:53:46 GMT -5
On any given day number two could be number one...but today we have... Walt Kelly. Mr. Kelly and his residents of the Okefenokee Swamp are second only to the Batman TV show in the list of reasons that I'm on this site. The 1969 Pogo vinyl toys were my constant companions and playthings (along with Gumby) when I was a baby and toddler. The first comic strip collection I bought with my own money was Impollutable Pogo. I didn't always understand what was going on. It wasn't until much later that a lot of the political satire sunk in. But it didn't matter. Because Kelly's art was so vibrant, his stories so well-crafted and his humor so compelling that I didn't have to know who Simple J. Malarky was supposed to be to know that this was funny and biting work. Thank goodness for Walt Kelly!!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 23, 2015 12:02:44 GMT -5
#2 Dave SimI came late to Cerebus, just at the start of Jaka's story. I quickly went through the three phonebooks collecting High Society and Church & State as well as reading the start of the series in the Cerebus bi-weekly. For a while in 1989, I was very much into Cerebus, much to my delight. Dave Sim is an amazing storyteller. His sense of pacing, either for dramatic or comedic purposes, is remarkable; furthermore, far from being a one-trick pony, the author likes to try different approaches. He taught me a lot about how a comic-book story can be told. Sim is also something of a patron saint to independent creators. Right from the start he encouraged cartoonists to retain the rights to their creation, never to give up what they created. One of the Cerebus arcs, Reads, is very much a warning against the lure of lucrative contracts that make one a willing slave to someone else's interests. Each time I hear about the way a Jack Kirby or a Joe Schuster has been treated by major publishers, I must agree with Sim: creators should always remain the owners of what they created. Sim is a remarkably generous man. Using the visibility of his comic-book (which sold a lot of copies for a while) he helped countless creators get some public exposure. It's in Cerebus that I first heard of Bone, of Finder, of Strangehaven, of Brat Pack and so many other independent comics. In the few exchanges we had, he neve failed to send a sketch (completely unasked). I'm sure that if we were to have a conversation face to face we'd disagree about a great many things, but I have a ton of respect for the man. As a writer, Sim gave us an intricate and surprising saga in Cerebus. As an artist he grew by leaps and bounds until he became one of the best in the field. His recent experiments with photoreferencing is pretty interesting, and I hope he gets to finish his project (I believe his comic Glamourpuss has ended). His short graphic novel Judenhass is also well worth hunting down. From cartoony funny animals to real-looking characters, Sim can draw it all. Another of his great skills (one for which he received several prizes, if I'm not mistaken) is as a letterer! Not only because he can write elegantly, but because the artist in him could masterfully blend words and images. Is there any better representation of a migraine that this image? The Cerebus saga, 300 issues long, was an astonishing example of strict work ethics. Month after month, Cerebus was there. It is something of an odd duck, I'll agree: one well worthy of an academic discussion. Sometimes grand epic dealing with power and politics, sometimes intimate drama, sometimes outright comedy, Cerebus could be many things; one thing it never was was boring. (Infuriating at times, perhaps, but never boring). When people talk of artists who do it all, Sim is the first person who comes to mind.
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 23, 2015 12:11:07 GMT -5
Copying Kurt today. But if you're gonna steal, steal from the best about the best... 2. Bill Watterson 10 entries in and I’ve had no comic strip artists. I don’t love comic strips. I love comic books. I’ve made some attempts to read classic comics strips in the collections that have come out. Classic Peanuts and Thimble Theatre. But… these things were meant to be read one at a time, and they don’t have the same magic collected into a large hardcover book. The only strips I could really love I think are the ones i read in the papers. And I did as a kid. And tended to like most. Even Garfield (my standards weren’t high). But I have fond memories of Blondie and Beetle Bailey. I always found B.C. quite clever. Gary Larson is the only other strip artists I seriously considered for this list. I do love the Far Side. But the truth is, I’m really not a comic strip guy. Except for one. My favorite as a child and still my favorite as an adult. Funny, philosophical… a true mirror on childhood and all its ups and downs. I consider Bill Watterson a master cartoonist and Calvin & Hobbes the height of comic strip storytelling. At least in my, limited, experience. Here's the most valuable life lesson I think anyone can learn: And here's one for the holidays:
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 23, 2015 12:16:58 GMT -5
Now there's someone I just plain forgot about when making my shortlist.
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