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Post by beccabear67 on Mar 10, 2020 13:23:56 GMT -5
I've vowed sacredly not to use my powers on Emperor Norton Day. This means I could choke to death if I chewed gum and tried to walk on that day... but it would be worth it.
What was Shooter drawing upon there? Did he have to work once on a religious fasting holiday of some kind? Or was this just a sort of plea to respect diversity of beliefs? I read that story and thought 'DC gimmick' mostly, you know... has to be some immovable wrinkle to be gotten around suddenly for the end (hopefully not involving high quality rubber masks that fool close relations).
I really like the Grell drawn Legion, but those short one-part stories were so lightweight usually, credit for having a possible underlying message on this one, and getting some characterization in. Things really got going with full-length and continued stories just a short bit after this.
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Post by rberman on Mar 19, 2020 20:35:48 GMT -5
File under "Did that just happen?": In LSH #300, Shadow Lass wears total body whiteface to make herself more racially acceptable to Mon-El. What a weird moment.
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 20, 2020 7:46:57 GMT -5
File under "Did that just happen?": In LSH #300, Shadow Lass wears total body whiteface to make herself more racially acceptable to Mon-El. What a weird moment. Didn't that have something to do with the Adult Legion story? I think there was a statue of a dead Legionnaire named Shadow Woman, or Shadow Lass. I know Levitz was trying to break out from under the yoke of the Adult Legion, which was a great idea, I think.
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Post by rberman on Mar 20, 2020 10:29:09 GMT -5
Here it is. Note that the panels I posted take place on the Science Asteroid, which is where Shadow Woman died in the "Adult Legion" story. Shadow Lass does get wounded in LSH #300 but does not die. Perhaps it has something to do with the frame story about Ferro Lad's mutilated brother seeking a better timeline for himself. I guess the whiteface was Levitz' way of semi-legitimizing Shadow Woman's skin tone within the context of blue Shadow Lass. Still, it would have been better in a disguise story than with the stated reason of "My boyfriend would like me better if I were his skin color."
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Post by String on Mar 21, 2020 12:51:58 GMT -5
Why is she white in the Adult Legion story in the first place? Coloring error/mix-up?
I'm up to #12 in the 5YL run. Still enjoying it, the text pieces offer some great background detail. While the appearance of two back-to-back fill-in issues don't bode well for Giffen, I would hope it was his original intention to wait this long to reunite the team in some fashion. As for the filler issues, I applaud TMB's new focus on the classic Legion origin story as seen through the eyes of Marla and RJ Brande (as it were). The origin story of Laurel Gand was equally good and whether you agree with her clothing choices or not, so far, I like her addition to the new lore.
I don't like that Mysa seems to have taken a back seat here in these later issues. Given her role in the Modruverse issue and the team's efforts to 'rescue' her from Mordru, I would like to see more of how they may help her recover from her ordeal. So far, she seems even more traumatized from Blok's death (replaying the vid news of it over and over).
On the other hand, Roxxas is scary good. His insanity is played both for laughs and chills. His attacks on the Legionnaires on Winath was brutal. As for those 'other voices' of his, is that related to the madness he suffered when he was hiding out on Trom after escaping prison and believed the ghosts of the Trommites he slaughtered were haunting him?
Now, as I understand it, Tinya is now in the 20th century as Phase in the L.E.G.I.O.N. title. I've never read any issues of that title but was considering it now since it seems there is some slight tie-in between the two Legion books at that time. So, was L.E.G.I.O.N. worthwhile?
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Post by rberman on Mar 21, 2020 13:10:04 GMT -5
Why is she white in the Adult Legion story in the first place? Coloring error/mix-up? Shadow Lass was blue from the get-go, which makes me suspect her white color was an error.
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Post by Farrar on Mar 21, 2020 13:42:31 GMT -5
Why is she white in the Adult Legion story in the first place? Coloring error/mix-up? Shadow Lass was blue from the get-go, which makes me suspect her white color was an error.Yes, a simple coloring mistake. Editorial admitted as much in the Adventure #368 lettercol: "The statue we showed in No. 354 should have had blue skin, not white." The response also mentions Shadow Kid, who'd shown up a couple of years earlier in Adventure #344-5, in the Super-Stalag of Space story. He's shown with blue skin.
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 21, 2020 14:28:34 GMT -5
I've also been reading the 5YL, and I've gotten up to Zero Hour, #0, which of course takes place after #61 (and after #18 of the Legionnaires title) and all I can say is thank goodness that the 5YL Legion is done and we're on to the reboot Legion. It was time for a drastic change, and this is one for the better, IMHO.
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Post by Farrar on Mar 22, 2020 18:47:02 GMT -5
...I guess the whiteface was Levitz' way of semi-legitimizing Shadow Woman's skin tone within the context of blue Shadow Lass. Still, it would have been better in a disguise story than with the stated reason of "My boyfriend would like me better if I were his skin color." Yes, absolutely. Your mention of "disguise story" reminds me of something I read long ago, a (half-baked) theory that the statue was Caucasian-colored (instead of being just, you know, a simple coloring error) because it was how she looked when she and Mon-El first became close, back in Adventure #369 when she, Mon, Superboy and Duo Damsel went to 20th century Smallville and she had to cover up her natural skin color:
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Post by dbutler69 on May 17, 2020 9:15:24 GMT -5
I've been reading through all the Legions in order, and I'm reading the "reboot" Legion (AKA the "Archie Legion") and I'm mostly enjoying it, but between the two titles, I'm enjoying Legionnaires a lot more that the Legion of Super-Heroes. In the LSH title, they've been stuck in the 20th century since #85, and I'm now up to #99. It's really annoying to have them stuck there that long, plus they're constantly crossing over into other titles, and I refuse to read all of those other titles I'm not interesting in. Luckily, I looked ahead and it looks like they finally get back to the 30th century in #100, so my suffering is almost over. I also have to say I like the art in Legionnaires more than in LSH, though the styles are fairly similar.
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Post by secretlyasummers on Jul 1, 2020 14:40:09 GMT -5
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 2, 2020 5:57:01 GMT -5
I've also been reading the 5YL, and I've gotten up to Zero Hour, #0, which of course takes place after #61 (and after #18 of the Legionnaires title) and all I can say is thank goodness that the 5YL Legion is done and we're on to the reboot Legion. It was time for a drastic change, and this is one for the better, IMHO. I was a fan of the 5YL legion, and I deeply resented the reboot at first, but I agree with you: with an accumulation of catastrophes, heartbreak and fan-fiction drivel made canonical, the Bierbaum Legion had painted itself into a corner. Putting it to rest and restarting fresh was easier than trying to fix the mess it had become (and I'm sorry, but the Legion of Cloned Heroes was never going to cut it, even if the writers pretended the kids were not actually clones). It's too bad the Archie Legion got the boot too eventually. I grew to love that new version, especially with characters like Shikari, Gates and the non-bouncing Chuck Taine.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 2, 2020 8:50:38 GMT -5
I've also been reading the 5YL, and I've gotten up to Zero Hour, #0, which of course takes place after #61 (and after #18 of the Legionnaires title) and all I can say is thank goodness that the 5YL Legion is done and we're on to the reboot Legion. It was time for a drastic change, and this is one for the better, IMHO. I was a fan of the 5YL legion, and I deeply resented the reboot at first, but I agree with you: with an accumulation of catastrophes, heartbreak and fan-fiction drivel made canonical, the Bierbaum Legion had painted itself into a corner. Putting it to rest and restarting fresh was easier than trying to fix the mess it had become (and I'm sorry, but the Legion of Cloned Heroes was never going to cut it, even if the writers pretended the kids were not actually clones). It's too bad the Archie Legion got the boot too eventually. I grew to love that new version, especially with characters like Shikari, Gates and the non-bouncing Chuck Taine. Exactly what I was thinking. The Bierbaum Legion read like fan-fiction, which is what it basically was. And yeah, I definitely wish the Archie Legion had a longer run, but then DC likes to blow up the Legion every few years, don't they?
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Post by sabongero on Jul 28, 2020 15:33:01 GMT -5
The girl Legionnaires celebrate after the successful completion of the first phase of their plot against the boy Legionnaires: From Adventure Comics #326. Art by the great John Forte, my favorite LSH artist. I can't believe just how powerful Ultra Boy was before. Almost on the same level as Mon-El. The two caught the planet's moon that was split in half and then put it back together. Holy Superfriends Superman powers !
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 29, 2020 10:50:16 GMT -5
The girl Legionnaires celebrate after the successful completion of the first phase of their plot against the boy Legionnaires: From Adventure Comics #326. Art by the great John Forte, my favorite LSH artist. I can't believe just how powerful Ultra Boy was before. Almost on the same level as Mon-El. The two caught the planet's moon that was split in half and then put it back together. Holy Superfriends Superman powers ! Yeah, Ultra Boy was considered to have virtually the same strength as Mon-el and Superboy, and I believe they were referred to as the "Big Three" though I've always thought that Ultra Boy's inability to use more than one power at a time put him significantly behind those other two.
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