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Post by dupersuper on Jun 17, 2016 20:57:15 GMT -5
There's plenty of room for every Doctor Who era, in my humble opinion...   |
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 18, 2016 1:43:11 GMT -5
I do like the fact that so people are now embracing Sir John Hurt as a legitimate Doctor...  |
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Post by Confessor on Jun 18, 2016 6:13:29 GMT -5
There's plenty of room for every Doctor Who era, in my humble opinion... What? No love for Grand Moff Tar...sorry, I mean, Peter Cushing?   I mean, I realise that Cushing isn't counted as a bona fide regeneration of the Doctor (I guess he's supposed to be the William Hartnell version, just played by a different actor, right?), but come on, if you're gonna include the others, why not him? Actually, I have an attendant question for the Doctor Who brainboxes among you: as a kid I always understood that the Doctor only had a finite number of regenerations available to him (I'm guessing this was stated during the Tom Baker or Peter Davison eras and that's where I picked the info up from). I'm not exactly sure of the number, but it was something like the Doctor only had 12 possible regeneration opportunities open to him. That twelfth regeneration will occur when Peter Capaldi's run ends and another actor takes over (with that actor being the thirteenth Doctor). Does anybody know how the program makers are planning to get around this? I mean, I assume that there will be a 14th Doctor. I do like the fact that so people are now embracing Sir John Hurt as a legitimate Doctor... He was the "War Doctor", right? Does he count as an official regeneration (see my above question on the subject)? |
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 18, 2016 9:10:11 GMT -5
There's plenty of room for every Doctor Who era, in my humble opinion... What? No love for Grand Moff Tar...sorry, I mean, Peter Cushing? I mean, I realise that Cushing isn't counted as a bona fide regeneration of the Doctor (I guess he's supposed to be the William Hartnell version, just played by a different actor, right?), but come on, if you're gonna include the others, why not him? Actually, I have an attendant question for the Doctor Who brainboxes among you: as a kid I always understood that the Doctor only had a finite number of regenerations available to him (I'm guessing this was stated during the Tom Baker or Peter Davison eras and that's where I picked the info up from). I'm not exactly sure of the number, but it was something like the Doctor only had 12 possible regeneration opportunities open to him. That twelfth regeneration will occur when Peter Capaldi's run ends and another actor takes over (with that actor being the thirteenth Doctor). Does anybody know how the program makers are planning to get around this? I mean, I assume that there will be a 14th Doctor. I do like the fact that so people are now embracing Sir John Hurt as a legitimate Doctor... He was the "War Doctor", right? Does he count as an official regeneration (see my above question on the subject)? Time Lords can only regenerate twelve times, giving them a total of thirteen lives (this was established in The Deadly Assassin in 1976) but it appears to be an artificial limitation, imposed to prevent them from actually living forever (something the Time Lords consider undesirable). The question of the Doctor's impending doom, however, has already been addressed, back in 2013; when we learned that another incarnation, the War Doctor, had actually existed between Doctor's eight and nine, it became clear that the eleventh Doctor was actually the thirteenth incarnation of the character (the tenth Doctor had basically wasted a regeneration in 2008's Journey's End by using the process to escape death but aborting it before his face and personality could change). When the eleventh Doctor was on the point of death with no more regeneration possible in The Time of the Doctor, the Time Lords stepped in for their own reasons and granted him an unspecified number of additional regenerations, something they had once previously offered to do for the Master back in The Five Doctors in 1983. So, the current Doctor is officially the twelfth but technically the fourteenth. There, clear as mud, right? |
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 18, 2016 9:14:02 GMT -5
Oh, and just to add: Cushing is not counted because the movies were loose adaptations of two Hartnell stories, not original stories intended to be in continuity with the TV series. Cushing actually seems to have been playing not the Doctor, but a human scientist actually called 'Dr. Who', who had built the TARDIS in his back garden.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 18, 2016 9:47:01 GMT -5
Great (and brilliantly geeky) answers there, tingramretro. Thanks for explaining all that.
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 18, 2016 10:06:45 GMT -5
Great (and brilliantly geeky) answers there, tingramretro. Thanks for explaining all that. Nobody does "geeky" better than committed Doctor Who fans. Don't ever get one of us started on the U.N.I.T dating controversy. Or whether or not the Doctor genuinely is half human on his mother's side. Or whether the audio stories are canon... |
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Post by String on Jun 18, 2016 16:37:01 GMT -5
I think it was established back in The Five Doctors serial that the 12-limit regeneration set can be renewed. By this time, the Master had burned through his original limit, forcing him to possess bodies in order to continue his existence. The Time Lords offered him a new set of regenerations if he helped the Doctor.
I love Hurt as the War Doctor. I wish they would provide more material for him, that one novel they've released so far featuring him was terrific.
So far, I've enjoyed the new show overall. RTD, along with Tennant, made the show uber-popular (even though I think Eccleston is underappreciated sometimes). I think Moffatt has done better because he's shown what life may be like for a time-traveler such as the Doctor. Cause may not always precede effect and events occur out-of-order. The nature of his relationship with River Song displays this cleverly. Plus, it wasn't till Smith's time that we started getting episodes with more of a 'classic' feel such as Amy's Choice where he goes up against the Dream Lord and the two-parter with the Silurians that had the 'trapped in a base' scenario that was a highlight of Troughton's era.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 16:55:07 GMT -5
I love Hurt as the War Doctor. I wish they would provide more material for him, that one novel they've released so far featuring him was terrific. That reminds me that not only do I have to try to remember to read that novel and also remember to grab the two audio box sets that he did for Big Finish. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 19, 2016 1:07:48 GMT -5
I think it was established back in The Five Doctors serial that the 12-limit regeneration set can be renewed. By this time, the Master had burned through his original limit, forcing him to possess bodies in order to continue his existence. The Time Lords offered him a new set of regenerations if he helped the Doctor. I love Hurt as the War Doctor. I wish they would provide more material for him, that one novel they've released so far featuring him was terrific. So far, I've enjoyed the new show overall. RTD, along with Tennant, made the show uber-popular (even though I think Eccleston is underappreciated sometimes). I think Moffatt has done better because he's shown what life may be like for a time-traveler such as the Doctor. Cause may not always precede effect and events occur out-of-order. The nature of his relationship with River Song displays this cleverly. Plus, it wasn't till Smith's time that we started getting episodes with more of a 'classic' feel such as Amy's Choice where he goes up against the Dream Lord and the two-parter with the Silurians that had the 'trapped in a base' scenario that was a highlight of Troughton's era. Agreed. Incidentally, in case you didn't know, John Hurt has since played the War Doctor in two sets of audio adventures from Big Finish Productions, and the character has also turned up in various issues of Titan's Doctor Who comics line. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 20, 2016 2:32:15 GMT -5
In Spring 2005, amidst an explosion of hype, Doctor Who returned to Britain's TV screens after a nine year absence with Salford born actor Christopher Eccleston in the title role, giving us a rather more layered Doctor in a very different series from the one we'd previously known. As it turned out, this new ninth Doctor wouldn't stick around for long; he departed after just thirteen episodes, for reasons that have never been entirely clear but which supposedly had something to do with his dissatisfaction at the treatment of the production crew by a senior executive. As a result of this, and the fact that his replacement was already in place by Christmas, the ninth Doctor also had the shortest tenure of any in the comics. He appeared in just nine issues of DWM, issues #355-363, all drawn by a single artist, Mike Collins.  DWM underwent a serious revamp when the TV show returned, becoming thicker, getting a complete redesign, and dropping virtually everything connected to the "old" series in favour of the new in order to draw in the new crop of young fans for whom this was basically a new show (this move unfortunately alienated some older fans to a degree, though ten years on, some balance has now been thankfully restored). Sadly, this attitude also extended to the comic strip: while the strip was by no means bad, a conscious decision seems to have been taken to effectively reboot it. The showrunner of the new series, Russell T Davies (a fan of the strip) apparently offered Panini the option of actually writing the 'official' regeneration of the eighth Doctor into the ninth, but they declined feeling that if this was ever to be tackled at all, it should be in the TV series (it was eventually dealt with in 2013, of course). So instead, the eighth Doctor and companion Destrii simply disappeared, and no further reference was ever made to any of the original characters and concepts introduced in the previous 26 years worth of Marvel/Panini stories...at least until DWM #500 in May 2016, which brought back many of them for a glorious one-off reunion! The ninth Doctor's complete run in DWM was quickly collected together as The Ninth Doctor Collected Comics, published in January 2006, just after the tenth Doctor's TV debut and before the beginning of his first full season. It's almost as though they wanted the troublesome northerner out of the way as quickly as possible...   His brief span did result in another milestone, though-the return of the Doctor Who Annual, published in September 2005 but dated 2006, and featuring a lenticular hologram cover that showed either the ninth or the tenth Doctor depending on the angle it was seen from. This single edition was published by Panini (and as a result, the book's strip content also ended up in the collected edition). It was the only opportunity they would get to publish the annual, though; by the following year, Doctor Who had become the in thing, and BBC Books promptly took back the licence in order to cash in on the lucrative Christmas annual market...  |
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Post by JKCarrier on Jun 20, 2016 10:31:42 GMT -5
Oh, and just to add: Cushing is not counted because the movies were loose adaptations of two Hartnell stories, not original stories intended to be in continuity with the TV series. Cushing actually seems to have been playing not the Doctor, but a human scientist actually called 'Dr. Who', who had built the TARDIS in his back garden. My pet theory is that Cushing's Doctor is actually an older version of the "Metacrisis Doctor" from Tennant's era, and his adventures take place in the parallel universe where Rose and her family ended up. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 20, 2016 11:00:37 GMT -5
Oh, and just to add: Cushing is not counted because the movies were loose adaptations of two Hartnell stories, not original stories intended to be in continuity with the TV series. Cushing actually seems to have been playing not the Doctor, but a human scientist actually called 'Dr. Who', who had built the TARDIS in his back garden. My pet theory is that Cushing's Doctor is actually an older version of the "Metacrisis Doctor" from Tennant's era, and his adventures take place in the parallel universe where Rose and her family ended up. And he's fled back to 1965 in order to escape the clutches of the Tyler clan? That's plausible... |
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Post by String on Jun 20, 2016 17:21:59 GMT -5
I think it was established back in The Five Doctors serial that the 12-limit regeneration set can be renewed. By this time, the Master had burned through his original limit, forcing him to possess bodies in order to continue his existence. The Time Lords offered him a new set of regenerations if he helped the Doctor. I love Hurt as the War Doctor. I wish they would provide more material for him, that one novel they've released so far featuring him was terrific. So far, I've enjoyed the new show overall. RTD, along with Tennant, made the show uber-popular (even though I think Eccleston is underappreciated sometimes). I think Moffatt has done better because he's shown what life may be like for a time-traveler such as the Doctor. Cause may not always precede effect and events occur out-of-order. The nature of his relationship with River Song displays this cleverly. Plus, it wasn't till Smith's time that we started getting episodes with more of a 'classic' feel such as Amy's Choice where he goes up against the Dream Lord and the two-parter with the Silurians that had the 'trapped in a base' scenario that was a highlight of Troughton's era. Agreed. Incidentally, in case you didn't know, John Hurt has since played the War Doctor in two sets of audio adventures from Big Finish Productions, and the character has also turned up in various issues of Titan's Doctor Who comics line. I don't have much experience with the Big Finish audio series. I think they are a wholly unique sci-fi/geek merchandise item but maybe it's my American proclivities but I find it somewhat strange to just 'listen' to an adventure episode/story. I have one such audio story, a Peter Davison story (whose title escapes me at the moment) that was a free gift with a bagged copy of DWM. As for Titan, I love that, once they acquired the license, they've run wild with it. The 10th, 11th, and 12th Doctor titles are still in their second volume run, correct? Then you have the 9th Doctor limited series (which I think just got promoted to an ongoing), the 8th Doctor's mini, the 4th Doctor's mini. The amount of material is impressive but also costly to my budget. I'm trying to trade-wait on these series but even then, it's quite an amount and it kinda pisses me off that I'm unable to buy all these titles along with the majority of the Big Two titles that I feel the need to follow. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 21, 2016 1:39:38 GMT -5
Agreed. Incidentally, in case you didn't know, John Hurt has since played the War Doctor in two sets of audio adventures from Big Finish Productions, and the character has also turned up in various issues of Titan's Doctor Who comics line. I don't have much experience with the Big Finish audio series. I think they are a wholly unique sci-fi/geek merchandise item but maybe it's my American proclivities but I find it somewhat strange to just 'listen' to an adventure episode/story. I have one such audio story, a Peter Davison story (whose title escapes me at the moment) that was a free gift with a bagged copy of DWM. As for Titan, I love that, once they acquired the license, they've run wild with it. The 10th, 11th, and 12th Doctor titles are still in their second volume run, correct? Then you have the 9th Doctor limited series (which I think just got promoted to an ongoing), the 8th Doctor's mini, the 4th Doctor's mini. The amount of material is impressive but also costly to my budget. I'm trying to trade-wait on these series but even then, it's quite an amount and it kinda pisses me off that I'm unable to buy all these titles along with the majority of the Big Two titles that I feel the need to follow. There's a 3rd Doctor mini coming this year, just to pt even more of a strain on your budget! Not quite sure why being American would make any difference to your attitude to audio drama, though-radio dramas were mainstream entertainment on both sides of the Atlantic when they were at their height. Admittedly, I don't know whether or not you still have them; we do, mostly on BBC Radio 4, though they'e playing to a considerably smaller audience these days. Personally, I love audio drama, I find it very relaxing. And of course, the special effects are always better on audio... |
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