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Post by kirby101 on Sept 17, 2021 10:43:02 GMT -5
I enjoyed Amalgalm, but it was hit or miss.
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Post by commond on Sept 19, 2021 20:51:53 GMT -5
Curse you DC for cancelling Jonah Hex in 1985! Actually, apparently it escaped cancellation three times. That's unfortunate because I honestly think Fleisher's run is one of the best comic book runs ever.
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Post by brutalis on Sept 19, 2021 21:17:32 GMT -5
Not having money as a youth sucked! There I said it! Limited funds meant limited buys. I never was able to build up a large Jonah Hex stash. Or much in the way of other series, especially Warren comics.
I was unlucky that my pockets weren't deep enough with cash flow so I mostly flipped through issues every chance I got each week when we did the family grocery shopping. I was finally able to initiate a few trades with other kids in my neighborhood so I managed to acquire a few issues.
I read those issues until they fell apart and always wished I had been able to afford buying on a regular basis. It is a blast now delving into seeking out back issues I missed out on as a youth.
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Post by berkley on Sept 19, 2021 23:35:27 GMT -5
I don't find most of the DC characters interesting for Amalgam ever to be a workable idea for me as a reader. And even if I like both characters I don't really see the attraction of mixing them together.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 20, 2021 6:05:34 GMT -5
I don't find most of the DC characters interesting for Amalgam ever to be a workable idea for me as a reader. And even if I like both characters I don't really see the attraction of mixing them together. Combining characters was always a silly idea. I rather have the actual character or a what If? type story.
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Post by tonebone on Sept 20, 2021 10:29:32 GMT -5
He owns one-third of the rights. You would also have to have Stephen Bissette and Rick Veitch on board. There was a hard push by some to get the issues collected and reprinted at Dynamite a few years back and it fell through because the parties involved weren't talking with each other to even try to get on the same page for it to get down. If they can't get together enough to collect what's already been done and get money for it, there's not much chance they're going to be able to be on the same page for new material to be completed. That window has closed and they have all moved on to other things, some outside comics at all. -M
I know Moore has added Bissette to his novel-length blacklist, but I hadn't heard of him having issues with Rick Veitch, and Veitch & Bissette are very old friends. Are there more roadblocks than just Moore being Moore?
I wonder... did Moore and Toth ever meet? Would they repel each other like magnets do when they both point in the same direction? Would they be fast friends and then enemies, then friends again?
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Post by tonebone on Sept 20, 2021 10:45:30 GMT -5
I have recently been listening to a podcast about early Image comics and in a few of their casts, they have covered Deathmate. Deathmate is the infamous crossover between the two hottest companies of the early 90's , Image and Valiant. I have read it a few times over the years and the basic plot is- Solar and Void accidentally combine to create a new alternate universe and you get what is essentially, what if ? characters of the two universes. My question is , why didn't they just have the actual characters team up and write a plot around a threat they fight together? Late books aside, I think it would have been a much better product to have the actual Bloodshot, Gen 13, etc. With the advent of the "What If?" series on Disney +, I have posted elsewhere that What If's only work when there has been established long-term reality of what's normal. The MCU is only 10 years old, and it's reality has already been screwed around with, with Thanos' snap, time travel, multiverse stuff, etc. Both Image and Valiant were only a few years old when they did this crossover, lessening the impact of "what if" stories. At this point Spawn has already existed in different times and realities, as well as other characters. Imagine the impact of the Marvel What If comic, having a consistent canonical continuity for 20 years, and THEN you start mucking around with it. Pretty different, with a much bigger impact.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 20, 2021 11:32:49 GMT -5
I have recently been listening to a podcast about early Image comics and in a few of their casts, they have covered Deathmate. Deathmate is the infamous crossover between the two hottest companies of the early 90's , Image and Valiant. I have read it a few times over the years and the basic plot is- Solar and Void accidentally combine to create a new alternate universe and you get what is essentially, what if ? characters of the two universes. My question is , why didn't they just have the actual characters team up and write a plot around a threat they fight together? Late books aside, I think it would have been a much better product to have the actual Bloodshot, Gen 13, etc. With the advent of the "What If?" series on Disney +, I have posted elsewhere that What If's only work when there has been established long-term reality of what's normal. The MCU is only 10 years old, and it's reality has already been screwed around with, with Thanos' snap, time travel, multiverse stuff, etc. Both Image and Valiant were only a few years old when they did this crossover, lessening the impact of "what if" stories. At this point Spawn has already existed in different times and realities, as well as other characters. Imagine the impact of the Marvel What If comic, having a consistent canonical continuity for 20 years, and THEN you start mucking around with it. Pretty different, with a much bigger impact. The flaws were deeper than that. They introduced Gen 13 in the series but they weren’t the versions that would be popular in the later years. I didn’t really know or care about the characters enough to enjoy a mashed up version of them. They should have went with a straight team up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 9:44:54 GMT -5
Just a reminder for those waxing nostalgic and wondering why today's readers can't relate or don't like the 70s and 80s comics you liked as a kid... so it's like you at that time trying to relate to comics of the 30s and 40s. You might like them, but they come from a different world, one that doesn't always relate life the way you live it. And on top of it, there was less change in overall society between '39 and '80 than there was between '80 and now. Bronze Age (and Silver Age) Comics are great, but they are a relic of the past, just as Golden Age comics were when we were alive and kicking in heart of the Bronze Age, and they look as dated and passé to modern audiences as Golden Age comics did to us. They can be appreciated for what they were, but that doesn't mean they are a viable or appealing product to contemporary audiences. There I said it! -M
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 21, 2021 10:01:42 GMT -5
Well said, @mrp. A friend and I have use this perspective for years as a reminder of how quickly time goes, how different things can become, and how much each of us is a product of our times. And that, as we age, the past becomes more important, more meaningful to us than when it was the present.
When I was a kid, there was much attention paid to the centennial of the Civil War and the fiftieth anniversary of World War One. Now, we're celebrating the centennial of the Roaring 20s and are closing in on the fiftieth anniversary of American withdrawal from the war in Vietnam.
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Post by tarkintino on Sept 21, 2021 10:06:46 GMT -5
I think its a matter of some having a generational bias and a closed mind, like moviegoers I recall from the 80s saying they could not get into or even appreciate films of the 1930s or earlier. Personally,I never had an issue with thoroughly enjoying work created several decades before I was born--including comics.
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 21, 2021 10:15:17 GMT -5
I think its a matter of some having a generational bias and a closed mind, like moviegoers I recall from the 80s saying they could not get into or even appreciate films of the 1930s or earlier. Personally,I never had an issue with thoroughly enjoying work created several decades before I was born--including comics. I'm with you there. There are young(er) people who simply will not watch a black and white movie, for instance. To them it's simply unwatchable, unthinkable even, that anyone could or would film a movie in black and white. I was lucky to have grown up without color TV and in an era when much of the programming on weekends conssited of the movies of the 30s and 40s; I wound up loving black and white movies. I always showed David Lean's "Great Expectations" and Hitchcock's "Rebecca" to ninth graders after they'd read the novels; I'm not going to say that they all became b&w aficionados, but as with any other art form, once they'd been introduced to them and realized the strengths of filming in b&w, they realized that they were not something to be feared and loathed.
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Post by badwolf on Sept 21, 2021 10:17:40 GMT -5
I get that sensibilities change but the complaint I hear most about "our" comics is that they are "wordy." Like, there are too many words. That's just plain illiteracy.
That and them being "dated"...I don't think anyone actually knows what that word means.
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 21, 2021 10:24:07 GMT -5
I get that sensibilities change but the complaint I hear most about "our" comics is that they are "wordy." Like, there are too many words. That's just plain illiteracy. That and them being "dated"...I don't think anyone actually knows what that word means. I guess they wouldn't have cared for Classics Illustrated...
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 21, 2021 10:36:28 GMT -5
Ah, I see that Classics Illustrated belongs to the "Pitch" persuasion.
Tsk.
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