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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 21, 2021 15:00:10 GMT -5
Almost half-way through a re/initial read of 100 Bullets (last time I bogged down about 1/4 of the way through). There's a whole lot to like here. But DAMN it just takes me completely out of a story when I see stuff like prisoner transfers that are 100% WRONG! They have a bus bringing new inmates in to a prison. The bus says "Sheriff." Extremely unlikely but I can let it slide. The prisoners are all in civilian clothes. No way. They'd be in jail stripes. Prisoners are handcuffed with hands in front of them. OH Hell to the no! They'd be in belly chains and leg chains. Nobody gets handcuffed in front. You always handcuff with hands behind the back. Drives me nuts every time. There. I said it. Now you understand my pain every time someone handles the military in comics, except the ones who were veterans or students, like Wayne Van Zant and Will Franz.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 21, 2021 15:06:57 GMT -5
Almost half-way through a re/initial read of 100 Bullets (last time I bogged down about 1/4 of the way through). There's a whole lot to like here. But DAMN it just takes me completely out of a story when I see stuff like prisoner transfers that are 100% WRONG! They have a bus bringing new inmates in to a prison. The bus says "Sheriff." Extremely unlikely but I can let it slide. The prisoners are all in civilian clothes. No way. They'd be in jail stripes. Prisoners are handcuffed with hands in front of them. OH Hell to the no! They'd be in belly chains and leg chains. Nobody gets handcuffed in front. You always handcuff with hands behind the back. Drives me nuts every time. There. I said it. Now you understand my pain every time someone handles the military in comics, except the ones who were veterans or students, like Wayne Van Zant and Will Franz. I feel you. This is why I'm not allowed to watch police or lawyer shows or movies with my family. Because I end up going on diatribes about everything that's wrong.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 21, 2021 15:40:39 GMT -5
I feel you. This is why I'm not allowed to watch police or lawyer shows or movies with my family. Because I end up going on diatribes about everything that's wrong. Well, if you're anything like Lionel Hutz, I think watching a lawyer show with you would be a hoot...
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 21, 2021 16:41:48 GMT -5
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Post by impulse on Apr 21, 2021 16:48:43 GMT -5
Oh no! Another reason to watch classic era Simpsons! What have you done?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 10:42:03 GMT -5
Decisions...decisions....
I spoke about being on the brink of ordering something from Mile High....and its ridiculously stupid pricing, because I couldn't find an alternative source in the US.
Turns out I did find another source....in ITALY....where it's priced much less but (registered) shipping is a whopping 25 EURO.
I'd still save a lot ordering from Italy...but I'm wondering what turnaround time will be like considering pandemic crap....
There, I said it to the overpriced jabroni....
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 22, 2021 12:10:02 GMT -5
Vague much? What is the book you want?
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Post by Calidore on Apr 22, 2021 13:22:34 GMT -5
Decisions...decisions.... I spoke about being on the brink of ordering something from Mile High....and its ridiculously stupid pricing, because I couldn't find an alternative source in the US. Turns out I did find another source....in ITALY....where it's priced much less but (registered) shipping is a whopping 25 EURO. I'd still save a lot ordering from Italy...but I'm wondering what turnaround time will be like considering pandemic crap.... There, I said it to the overpriced jabroni....
Murphy's Law says that right after you buy it, Crimebuster will acquire it for trade.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 16:40:43 GMT -5
Vague much? What is the book you want?
I'll reveal as soon as I get my mitts on it
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 22, 2021 17:58:49 GMT -5
I won't bid on it. I have too many books now.
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Post by kirby101 on Apr 23, 2021 14:41:48 GMT -5
I have always felt that Fantastic Four 40-70 was the single greatest creative run in comics history, In the span of less than 3 years Jack and Stan (OK, mostly Jack) created The Inhumans, Silver Surfer and Galactus, the Negative Zone (in what might be the best single issue ever), the Black Panther, the Klaw and Wakanda, The Kree, Sentry and Ronan, Blastarr and Him, who would become Warlock. Hard to beat that, and we can include Ego and the High Evolutionary over in Thor at the same time. That is a hard run to beat.
I also think no one has passed Dikto in creating a rouges gallery in such a short time as he did for Spider-Man. (Convential wisdom is Stan had little to do with the stories before he scripted the finished pages) Right out of the chute he created the Vulture, Doc Ock, Sandman, the Lizard, the Spider Slayer, The Green Goblen, Mysterio, Kraven the Hunter and the Scorpian. Not only do I think no other hero has a rouges gallery that can beat that, but that it happend in his first issues is remarkable.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 23, 2021 16:00:49 GMT -5
I have always felt that Fantastic Four 40-70 was the single greatest creative run in comics history, In the span of less than 3 years Jack and Stan (OK, mostly Jack) created The Inhumans, Silver Surfer and Galactus, the Negative Zone (in what might be the best single issue ever), the Black Panther, the Klaw and Wakanda, The Kree, Sentry and Ronan, Blastarr and Him, who would become Warlock. Hard to beat that, and we can include Ego and the High Evolutionary over in Thor at the same time. That is a hard run to beat. I also think no one has passed Dikto in creating a rouges gallery in such a short time as he did for Spider-Man. (Convential wisdom is Stan had little to do with the stories before he scripted the finished pages) Right out of the chute he created the Vulture, Doc Ock, Sandman, the Lizard, the Spider Slayer, The Green Goblen, Mysterio, Kraven the Hunter and the Scorpian. Not only do I think no other hero has a rouges gallery that can beat that, but that it happend in his first issues is remarkable. I might give Kirby the edge on epic characters and Ditko on the street-level types. although you have to hand it to Ditko on the array of extra-dimensional types with which he filled the pages of Dr. Strange, too. But what a competition! It's too bad that the waters are so muddy surrounding the creations of Batman's arch-villains: Hugo Strange, Joker, Penguin, Two-Face, Catwoman, and Scarecrow. Bill Finger had a hand (sorry) in all of them, but Kane, naturally, always claimed at least co-credit, and Jerry Robinson said he was in on the Joker, too. It's difficult to say who was responsible for what, but it was Finger who wrote the stories about them, so... It's one thing to show your writer a Joker playing card (one story) and quite another for him to turn that image into an enduring character. In any event, those villains, IIRC, were all introduced within a couple of years of Batman 1 in 1940, which is also a nice run of classic characters. And love him or hate him, another mastermind was Mort Weisinger, who was the impetus behind many key chapters of the Superman mythos: Supergirl, Superboy, the Legion, Krypton, the Phantom Zone, and much more.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 23, 2021 16:03:37 GMT -5
Oh, a PS speaking of Rogues Galleries.
I never bought the idea that the Flash's villains were particularly memorable. Gimmicky, yes, and perfect for that early 60s SF vibe that was so crucial to the atmosphere of his comic, but legendary, um, no.
Same with Green Lantern. Sinestro always seemed like the 38th century equivalent of Snidely Whiplash.
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Post by kirby101 on Apr 23, 2021 16:12:44 GMT -5
I agree, people always talk about The Flash's rogues gallery. But they are more quirky than great. Compared to Spider-Man, I don't think it's a contest.
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 23, 2021 17:44:56 GMT -5
I have always felt that Fantastic Four 40-70 was the single greatest creative run in comics history, In the span of less than 3 years Jack and Stan (OK, mostly Jack) created The Inhumans, Silver Surfer and Galactus, the Negative Zone (in what might be the best single issue ever), the Black Panther, the Klaw and Wakanda, The Kree, Sentry and Ronan, Blastarr and Him, who would become Warlock. Hard to beat that, and we can include Ego and the High Evolutionary over in Thor at the same time. That is a hard run to beat. I also think no one has passed Dikto in creating a rouges gallery in such a short time as he did for Spider-Man. (Convential wisdom is Stan had little to do with the stories before he scripted the finished pages) Right out of the chute he created the Vulture, Doc Ock, Sandman, the Lizard, the Spider Slayer, The Green Goblen, Mysterio, Kraven the Hunter and the Scorpian. Not only do I think no other hero has a rouges gallery that can beat that, but that it happend in his first issues is remarkable. Regarding the Fantastic Four, I would add several issues before and after, as Lee and Kirby's work was that strong. Its the title's best period by far. One--by the way--that no film studio has ever come close to matching as a live action movie...in fact, they were all terrible.
As for The Amazing Spider-Man, creating the rogues' gallery is one thing (and that's nothing to sneeze at), but for most, their greatest stories would not come until after Ditko's departure; the majority of Spider-Man's greatest, most icon-defining stories were in the Romita/Lee era, and that includes the beginning of the true Green Goblin / Osborn saga (which also includes part one of a Kraven appearance starting in #47), ASM #44-45 (the Lizard), one of the greatest of a number of unforgettable Doctor Octopus dramas in #54-56, etc. That was the point Spider-Man overtook the Fantastic Four as Marvel's best-selling title, and as powerful as the F.F. was at that time, there's no question why Spider-Man rocketed into the heights of superhero fiction.
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