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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 23, 2020 16:44:36 GMT -5
Dude, he drew hot women too. Glad to see you are still well connected to your inner teenage Icc😁 Why wife has told me that more in my 30's and 40's than when I was younger. Now she just says "you're as bad as your hormonal 17 year old son".
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Post by Duragizer on Nov 23, 2020 21:04:55 GMT -5
I wish the DC Multiverse(s) had more Earths assigned to it and the Marvel Multiverse less. Same here. I miss the differences that made DC & Marvel unique. Fictional cities. Teen sidekicks. Multiple Earths. Or. Flawed heroes. NYC. It's not even that I dislike the idea of a Marvel Multiverse. I just think it's ridiculous that, for example, the Maximum Carnage video game has its own Earth, yet more important works like "The Reign of the Superman" from 1933 doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 7:20:39 GMT -5
I wish the DC Multiverse(s) had more Earths assigned to it and the Marvel Multiverse less. The constant subdivisions in the Marvel Multiverse irk me. I mean, they had the licence to do a Transformers comic at one point. So it was great for me to read a Spidey/Transformers crossover. Yet that was designated a separate Earth years later. Why? Why couldn’t the regular Marvel Universe have had a Spidey/Transformers crossover? And I like the DC/Marvel crossovers, particularly the second Supes/Spidey one. But why the hell did they have to be given their own Earth, too? So it couldn’t be “my” Spidey and “my” Supes teaming together, it had to be on Earth-Whatever. So I never enjoyed the subdivisions. I feel with the DC Multiverse, at least each reality had its own USP (certainly in the books I read). It *sort of* made sense for the Marvel Family to be on another Earth. And WWII heroes. And Captain Carrot. What compelling reason was there for the Marvel Multiverse to have so many Earths?
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Post by Confessor on Nov 25, 2020 1:42:27 GMT -5
Stan Lee sometimes comes in for a bit of criticism from certain members here, but, if nothing else, he was a man who could come up with five incredible story concepts before breakfast (to paraphrase The Restaurant at the End of the Universe).
Imagine a superhero with the same everyday problems as you: Spider-Man! Imagine a superhero family with typically dysfunctional family relationships: Fantastic Four! Imagine a millionaire arms dealer who almost gets killed by his own weapons, prompting him to make the world a better place by encasing himself in one of his weapons: Iron Man! Imagine a weakling scientific nerd who, through a selfless act of courage, ends up with a ferocious monster that he can't control trapped inside him: Incredible Hulk!
I could go on, but just those four ideas are incredibly strong concepts. They are not the product of a untalented hack who rode on the back of his artists.
There, I said it!
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 25, 2020 8:44:10 GMT -5
Stan Lee kept it all going and connected. One of the big draws of the Marvel Universe was not just the superheroics of the books, but the melodrama and emotional life of the characters, that all came from Lee's writing.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 25, 2020 8:51:32 GMT -5
Stan Lee sometimes comes in for a bit of criticism from certain members here, but, if nothing else, he was a man who could come up with five incredible story concepts before breakfast (to paraphrase The Restaurant at the End of the Universe). Imagine a superhero with the same everyday problems as you: Spider-Man! Imagine a superhero family with typically dysfunctional family relationships: Fantastic Four! Imagine a millionaire arms dealer who almost gets killed by his own weapons, prompting him to make the world a better place by encasing himself in one of his weapons: Iron Man! Imagine a weakling scientific nerd who, through a selfless act of courage, ends up with a ferocious monster that he can't control trapped inside him: Incredible Hulk! I could go on, but just those four ideas are incredibly strong concepts. They are not the product of a untalented hack who rode on the back of his artists. There, I said it! I'm sure many critics of Lee would argue that a large part of that creativity came from the artists, but one thing is certain as far as I'm concerned: irrespective of who came up with what idea, the bombastic and over the top dialog in those early Marvel comics was all Lee's, and was a big reason I loved those books. He often treated language the way Kirby dealt with images: boldly and noteworthily! Forsooth!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 25, 2020 10:08:46 GMT -5
I for the most part didn't like Stan's style of dialogue. It fit well with Silver Surfer and I enjoyed it in the context of the Surfer's plight being confined to Earth after having access to the entire universe. And to some degree with Thor. But his dialogue always reminded me of soap opera acting. Not necessarily a bad thing, as it can be easily argued lots of superhero comic books are soap operas themselves, just a bit over the top for me. But I much enjoyed a lot of the plots of many comics that he was apart of to whatever degree that he contributed to.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 25, 2020 10:24:14 GMT -5
I for the most part didn't like Stan's style of dialogue. It fit well with Silver Surfer and I enjoyed it in the context of the Surfer's plight being confined to Earth after having access to the entire universe. And to some degree with Thor. But his dialogue always reminded me of soap opera acting. Not necessarily a bad thing, as it can be easily argued lots of superhero comic books are soap operas themselves, just a bit over the top for me. But I much enjoyed a lot of the plots of many comics that he was apart of to whatever degree that he contributed to. The reason so many comics are soap operas is because it is the format Lee created for Marvel in the Silver Age. This was not the norm for superheroes before this. The continuity and emotional life of the protagonists was among his major contributions to the field. People can say it was really Kirby and Ditko and other artists, and their contributions should never be underestimated. But that the Marvel Universe kept an overall tone and connectivity throughout all their books was due to Lee.
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 25, 2020 13:46:47 GMT -5
To me Stan Lee's style might be summed up in that he would have written "access to the universe entire" instead of "access to the entire universe". I usually enjoy it though, just sometimes the "dearest"s and the "darling"s come off as hokey. As I've followed soaps off and on all my life, that aspect is always welcome too. What would Peter Parker be without his soapish private life?
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 25, 2020 14:09:57 GMT -5
To me Stan Lee's style might be summed up in that he would have written "access to the universe entire" instead of "access to the entire universe". I usually enjoy it though, just sometimes the "dearest"s and the "darling"s come off as hokey. As I've followed soaps off and on all my life, that aspect is always welcome too. What would Peter Parker be without his soapish private life? What made Spider-man so popular was the teenage angst and the way teens could empathize with someone who's life did not often go right. The idea that this "loser" kid was secretly someone so special was the appeal. Sure, Ditko's visuals and storytelling made it great, but without Peter moaning about his life, he would not have become the one of the most popular superheros in the World. And that was Lee's contribution.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 18:58:44 GMT -5
Stan Lee sometimes comes in for a bit of criticism from certain members here [snip]
Hey why not? He used to complain about the MAX line the same time he was doing that butt-awful 'Just Imagine' series...and I didn't care for his nattering about that.
Give me my four-lettered swear word comics.
There, I said it.
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Post by berkley on Nov 27, 2020 15:23:36 GMT -5
Stan Lee sometimes comes in for a bit of criticism from certain members here, but, if nothing else, he was a man who could come up with five incredible story concepts before breakfast (to paraphrase The Restaurant at the End of the Universe). Wasn't that line about believing six impossible things before breakfast from one of the Alice books, Alice in Wonderland, or Through the Looking Glass ?
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 27, 2020 18:13:41 GMT -5
I never liked Ernie Chan's inking on Johm Buscema in Conan. Thought it was at odds with Buscema's fluid style.
OTOH, I liked the look of his inks on brother Sal.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 27, 2020 18:17:23 GMT -5
I never liked Ernie Chan's inking on Johm Buscema in Conan. Thought it was at odds with Buscema's fluid style. Yes, yes, yes.
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 27, 2020 18:35:58 GMT -5
I never liked Ernie Chan's inking on Johm Buscema in Conan. Thought it was at odds with Buscema's fluid style. OTOH, I liked the look of his inks on brother Sal. Agreed on both counts.
John Buscema himself is on record saying he didn't like Chan's inking over his pencils. Of course, he said that about virtually every inker except little brother Sal and Frank Giacoia. He really didn't like Alcala's inking but I think they made a great team.
Cei-U! I summon the hard-to-please master!
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