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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 12, 2015 20:56:13 GMT -5
I was very surprised to read how badly Serenity did in theatres. I thought it was O.K., and I hadn't even seen Firefly back then! I really enjoyed Serenity and I never saw one episode of Firefly.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 13, 2015 5:12:14 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Serenity was barely distributed outside the USA. I saw it in the theatre in Paris the week it came out without either having seen Firefly, but it really was at technical release. I think it got less than 15 screens in the whole of France. ANd France usually gets everything, even if only technical. I remember thinking then it would bomb and barely understanding how he producers even saw the economy behind it possible. The film was alright, but nothing special, especially without having seen the series.
Interestingly enough, a huge difference between France and the US regarding how the Box Offiec works is while the US present box office results in terms of gross, France only states the number of tickets sold. So here, we say that movie is a minor hit sinec it got 300 000 "seats", or a break through hit since it got 85000 seats in its opening week end. A major hit is 3 000 000 (France has 65-70 million in population). The biggest hit ever was the recent "Bienvenue Chez Les Chtis" which grossed around 20 000 000 seats in France alone (which I now see is around 250 000 000 $), I don't think it was released anywhere else since the movie is extremely niched (and not that good).
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2015 6:01:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Serenity was barely distributed outside the USA. I saw it in the theatre in Paris the week it came out without either having seen Firefly, but it really was at technical release. I think it got less than 15 screens in the whole of France. ANd France usually gets everything, even if only technical. I remember thinking then it would bomb and barely understanding how he producers even saw the economy behind it possible. The film was alright, but nothing special, especially without having seen the series. Interestingly enough, a huge difference between France and the US regarding how the Box Offiec works is while the US present box office results in terms of gross, France only states the number of tickets sold. So here, we say that movie is a minor hit sinec it got 300 000 "seats", or a break through hit since it got 85000 seats in its opening week end. A major hit is 3 000 000 (France has 65-70 million in population). The biggest hit ever was the recent "Bienvenue Chez Les Chtis" which grossed around 20 000 000 seats in France alone (which I now see is around 250 000 000 $), I don't think it was released anywhere else since the movie is extremely niched (and not that good). That actually might be the superior way to chart whether a movie is a hit or not, by tickets sold.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 13, 2015 6:06:16 GMT -5
It is less abstract to say the least.
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Post by batlaw on Nov 13, 2015 6:50:44 GMT -5
Battlefield Earth
After Earth
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2015 7:24:58 GMT -5
I was surprised when The Spirit tanked.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 13, 2015 7:47:37 GMT -5
Battlefield Earth After Earth Wait... What?! You weresurprised Battlefield Earth tanked?!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 7:55:36 GMT -5
I was surprised when The Spirit tanked. That's one that I fully expected to tank - no-one outside fairly serious comics nerds had heard of the Spirit, and all the advance publicity and leaks led everyone familiar with the Spirit to avoid the film like the proverbial plague.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Nov 13, 2015 9:12:15 GMT -5
I was surprised when The Spirit tanked. That's one that I fully expected to tank - no-one outside fairly serious comics nerds had heard of the Spirit, and all the advance publicity and leaks led everyone familiar with the Spirit to avoid the film like the proverbial plague. Agreed. I tried watching it for free on DVD from the library. Made it through about 20 minutes. Thankfully Mr. Eisner didn't live to see it.
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Post by Farrar on Nov 13, 2015 11:49:02 GMT -5
Fantasia, is my all-time favorite Disney Animated Movie and I just can't understand why this movie flopped? Mecha, fwiw here's a summary from Wikipedia (it's in keeping with stuff I've read elsewhere about Fantasia's initial reception): "Fantasia was first released in theatrical roadshow engagements held in thirteen U.S. cities from November 13, 1940 [75 years ago today!-Farrar] It received mixed critical reaction and was unable to make a profit because World War II cut off distribution to the European market, the film's high production costs, and the expense of leasing theatres and installing the Fantasound equipment for the roadshow presentations. The film was subsequently reissued multiple times with its original footage and audio being deleted, modified, or restored in each version. As of 2012, Fantasia has grossed $76.4 million in domestic revenue and is the 22nd highest-grossing film of all time in the U.S. when adjusted for inflation...Fantasia has grown in reputation over the years and is now widely acclaimed; in 1998 the American Film Institute ranked it as the 58th greatest American film in their 100 Years...100 Movies and the fifth greatest animated film in their 10 Top 10 list."
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 13, 2015 11:59:59 GMT -5
Agreed on John Carter: it didn't deserve to flop. It was certainly in the same league, quality-wise, as most action/fantasy CGI-laden films we've seen in the past few years, and it had a little more heart than most. I was very surprised to read how badly Serenity did in theatres. I thought it was O.K., and I hadn't even seen Firefly back then! Conan the barbarian tanking so badly surprised me a little. I didn't like it, but it just didn't do badly... it sank like a stone! A domestic gross of 22 M$ for a 90 M$ production? Ouch. I think if that had stuck with the original plan/Rumor to have the Rock be Conan, it would have worked. His Hercules a couple years later was decent. There have actually be ALOT of flops this year in the sci-fi genre... the last Terminator movie failed pretty badly.. Jupiter Ascending, and (taken liberally) Pan was an epic fail(though it's been decent internationally). Then FF, of course.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 13, 2015 12:42:14 GMT -5
I didn't watch Serenity or Firefly until a couple years after Serenity came out. I'd like to think that Serenity flopped for the reason most movies do ... it wasn't a good movie.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 13:04:55 GMT -5
Fantasia, is my all-time favorite Disney Animated Movie and I just can't understand why this movie flopped? Mecha, fwiw here's a summary from Wikipedia (it's in keeping with stuff I've read elsewhere about Fantasia's initial reception): "Fantasia was first released in theatrical roadshow engagements held in thirteen U.S. cities from November 13, 1940 [75 years ago today!-Farrar] It received mixed critical reaction and was unable to make a profit because World War II cut off distribution to the European market, the film's high production costs, and the expense of leasing theatres and installing the Fantasound equipment for the roadshow presentations. The film was subsequently reissued multiple times with its original footage and audio being deleted, modified, or restored in each version. As of 2012, Fantasia has grossed $76.4 million in domestic revenue and is the 22nd highest-grossing film of all time in the U.S. when adjusted for inflation...Fantasia has grown in reputation over the years and is now widely acclaimed; in 1998 the American Film Institute ranked it as the 58th greatest American film in their 100 Years...100 Movies and the fifth greatest animated film in their 10 Top 10 list." Thanks for sharing these tidbits of information ... I did not know this!
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Post by gothos on Nov 13, 2015 16:49:21 GMT -5
Cutthroat Island is a movie that I rather liked that was a MAJOR bomb. It also has a music score that is considered one of the best of all time. It's one of the best scores of the 1990s. If the rest of the movie had been as good as the first ten minutes-- that is, up until the Matt Modine character is introduced-- it would have also been a great non-fantasy pirate movie.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 17:23:44 GMT -5
Cutthroat Island is a movie that I rather liked that was a MAJOR bomb. It also has a music score that is considered one of the best of all time. It's one of the best scores of the 1990s. If the rest of the movie had been as good as the first ten minutes-- that is, up until the Matt Modine character is introduced-- it would have also been a great non-fantasy pirate movie. It's one of my favorite scores from the 90's. If I had to pick a favorite score though I might have to choose 1992's Last of The Mohicans as a favorite from that time.
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