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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 6:31:02 GMT -5
  So I'll see your Alpha Flight and raise you 2 pages from Legionnaires #16 from '94. This has the lot, the redneck trifecta of hair, boobs, n a thong. Some of the most outstanding hair designs I've seen, and gives me a reason to love every Liefield book Ive ever read. 1. But his pants sparkle. So, he actually has THAT working for him.. 2. Everything, at least how I see it, was soooo exaggerated in the 90s. From lines in faces, to hair, to outfit. It is so very difficult to look at. 3. Star Boy's thumb creeps me out. 4. Mullet AND ring. Together. Forever. |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 6, 2015 8:12:38 GMT -5
Is that a sword or is Wyre just pleased to see him?  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 8:31:29 GMT -5
Is that a sword or is Wyre just pleased to see him? Bahahahaha! The Extreme-Hilariously-Placed 90s. We can be grateful for some things from then. |
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Post by the4thpip on Nov 6, 2015 8:35:30 GMT -5
Is that a sword or is Wyre just pleased to see him? Bahahahaha! The Extreme-Hilariously-Placed 90s. We can be grateful for some things from then. Paging Dr Freud! |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 6, 2015 8:37:08 GMT -5
Is that a sword or is Wyre just pleased to see him? If that hilt weren't visible above the bottom of the panel .... is this Comic Code approved? :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 8:45:19 GMT -5
It's everything you'd never want in comics.
His thong is even TEAL.
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Post by the4thpip on Nov 6, 2015 9:24:54 GMT -5
90s Marvel annuals also had some really amateurish art sometimes. Two examples from Captain America Annual 09 (1990):  (a young Jim Valentino)  Don Hudson (who?) |
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 6, 2015 9:33:21 GMT -5
Ahh.. see telling us it's a normal distribution is much more useful that 'I put them into piles and give them a number'. So is 5 average? What Standard Deviation are you aiming for? .5? 1? I'm thinking less than one, since you don't give anything much higher than a 7 despite (I assume, given the time and trouble you spent on it) it being you favorite series. I gave a description of the process, rather than go with more technical details, because I don't expect most fans to have any specific interest in statistics. I aim for a "Normal Distribution", with a mean of 5 and a standard deviation of 1.232856, but data doesn't fit very well with small samples. For all the Spider-Man comics from 1962 to 1989, the shape of the curve is right-skewed, with a peak at 4.25 and the standard deviation was indeed less than one; my guess is that editors act as a sort of natural limit, avoiding comics being published at the left side of the graph, and Marvel doesn't encourage top talent, to work on the character (which accounts for the absence of high rated comics). As for my favorite series, I don't have one. Spider-Man is my favorite character, but if you take a look at the thread rating the Ultimate Universe, you'll see I rated up to an 8. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 12:00:46 GMT -5
Where is this court you speak of?
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 6, 2015 12:03:07 GMT -5
90s Marvel annuals also had some really amateurish art sometimes. Don Hudson (who?) Now that is a deserving of this htread panel!!! Just because of the position of the right leg, like the "artist" forgot where he put the rest of the body when it got to the tackling the leg. Or maybe it was a bet, to see if this would be caught by the editor. Even the sound effect seems mismatched. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 6, 2015 12:09:08 GMT -5
Where is this court you speak of? There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the The Court Of Logic. |
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Post by the4thpip on Nov 6, 2015 13:10:07 GMT -5
90s Marvel annuals also had some really amateurish art sometimes. Don Hudson (who?) Now that is a deserving of this htread panel!!! Just because of the position of the right leg, like the "artist" forgot where he put the rest of the body when it got to the tackling the leg. Or maybe it was a bet, to see if this would be caught by the editor. Even the sound effect seems mismatched. All in all, it looks more like a dance scene from "Grease" than an action packed fight scene. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 14:50:21 GMT -5
Except Liefield has no skill in anatomy and perspective, when Canete obviously have, ad does Sienkiewicz, so I really don't see your point there. Liefield doesn't chose to draw the way he does, he just can't do it any other way. If buy knowing how to draw you mean the guy is able to lift a pen and use it, then we have a different use of the expression "can draw" Having seen Spider-Man's left knee in that drawing, I'm not convinced by your argument on Canete's ability to convey anatomy in that picture (though from the other art posted, he is obviously capable of it). I don't object to the radical fish-eye perspective, I do object to his lower leg being nailed onto the bottom of his thigh, rather than being joined by a human knee. Frank Robbins would use similar effects and got slaughtered on the old CBR classics board for it, but at least all of his characters' flexible body parts were actually attached to each other. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 6, 2015 15:07:50 GMT -5
Except Liefield has no skill in anatomy and perspective, when Canete obviously have, ad does Sienkiewicz, so I really don't see your point there. Liefield doesn't chose to draw the way he does, he just can't do it any other way. If buy knowing how to draw you mean the guy is able to lift a pen and use it, then we have a different use of the expression "can draw" Having seen Spider-Man's left knee in that drawing, I'm not convinced by your argument on Canete's ability to convey anatomy in that picture (though from the other art posted, he is obviously capable of it). I don't object to the radical fish-eye perspective, I do object to his lower leg being nailed onto the bottom of his thigh, rather than being joined by a human knee. Frank Robbins would use similar effects and got slaughtered on the old CBR classics board for it, but at least all of his characters' flexible body parts were actually attached to each other. It's a mere stylization trick Canete is fond of as he uses it repeatedly, kind of like of a trademark cartoony trick. It really doesn't bother me as it is consistant with the way he exagerates and angularizes bodies. It's not my fave part of his style, mind you, but it's integral to his style, and it is obviously a choice (an artistic one), when Liefield's shortcuts are just that, as he hasn't displayed any ability to draw better then how we're used to him. I suspect that this is just a matter of you not liking that particular style of cartoony artwork on spidey, which is totally fine. And I have no part in that Frank Robbins feud. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 15:17:44 GMT -5
I have no objection to the stylisation and exaggeration - I get what he was trying to do there, and while I don't think it really works, I don't have a problem with it. I do have a problem where he completely breaks human anatomy by having a knee joined in a way that no knee could ever be joined. That in itself is a cheap shortcut - rather than draw the distorted pose with anatomy that worked, he dislocated the knee to make it more dramatic. Cheated anatomy is something that really bugs me - I don't particularly like mangaised art, so for example the madly exaggerated eyes and mouths of Humberto Ramos characters are not to my taste, but within the context of his art style are clearly used to convey expression, but he doesn't draw characters with extra knee joints, which I would contend are in the same class of bad art as Liefeld's hinged-back pony women and perspective-defying characters, though obviously in most cases not drawn as badly.
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