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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 26, 2016 17:53:46 GMT -5
Awwwwww, mannnnnnnn! I saw Florence Henderson's obit yesterday morning, and Castro's this morning; but didn't know about Ron Glass. Great actor, loved him as Harris, on Barney Miller (one of the best ensemble shows ever, regulars and guest artists). He went from a minor role to being one of the central characters, as the erudite and sophisticated Ron Harris, the would-be Joseph Wambaugh of the 12th Precinct.
Can we just get 2016 over with? Horrible year!
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Post by The Captain on Nov 27, 2016 10:07:09 GMT -5
RIP Ron Glass, best known for his roles in Barney Miller and Firefly. He was 71 Variety obit . -M Sad news indeed. Funny moment about this. When my wife and I heard the news, she said "I loved him on Barney Miller", while I said "I loved him on Firefly". Just shows the disparate points of reference we have, even though we are less than 1 year apart in age. She watched BM with her dad (who was older than my parents by 15 years) when she was little, while I have never seen an episode of it, and she has never seen an episode of Firefly, which I watched in its first run.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 27, 2016 10:16:54 GMT -5
Castro may have been seen as a dictator, but he improved life for the majority of his country's citizens in a lot of ways. His policies dramatically improved the general standard of living for the poorest people in Cuba. I doubt they would agree with your sentiments.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 27, 2016 11:18:45 GMT -5
Castro may have been seen as a dictator, but he improved life for the majority of his country's citizens in a lot of ways. His policies dramatically improved the general standard of living for the poorest people in Cuba. I doubt they would agree with your sentiments. I am in the middle of a shouting match on Facebook about Castro. He was pretty polarizing, but an editorial I just read had the right idea: "neither angel nor demon". Castro was a dictator, and no dictator will ever have my sympathy for suppressing individual rights. But even among dictators, there are levels of ignominy. There is the genocidal type, like Cambodia's Pol Pot, who don't appear to have any redeeming qualities whatsoever. There are the Pinochet types, fascists to the core, who crush individual rights and fill their pockets without providing anything to their people. There are the religious integrists like Saudi Arabia's king, who impose cruel and (by western standards) absolutely barbaric laws. Then there are the ones who seem to mean well, but whose unshaking ideological resolve makes them do shitty things: the Lenins and the Castros of this world. If we merely judge them by what they did wrong, they end up looking very bad indeed; but if we have the honesty to also see what they did right, they become more nuanced characters. Cuba's had it tough since Castro took over? Yes it did. But let's not pretend it was all honey and roses before; the reason Cuba's revolution worked is that Batista's dictatorship was equally crappy (and provided less to the people). Latin America has seen its share of strongmen or corrupt politicians, and its citizens have often suffered greatly. In all that mess, and acknowledging the fact that Cuba was a brutal dictatorship, it must be recognized that the country has a very, very well-educated population and an excellent healthcare system. Its infant mortality rate is lower than that of the US, which is something phenomenal for such a poor nation. This is way more significant that just saying "yeah, yeah, and under Mussolini the trains ran on time"; it shows a fundamental interest in the wealthfare of a nation as a whole. Few dictators can make such a claim. Cuba today is on the brink of shedding all the bad that came with the dictatorship, and could retain all the good that came with it. I sincerely hope that this courageous and brave nation will be allowed to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 13:35:03 GMT -5
Ron Glass is one of the many reasons that made Barney Miller great and I feel that I lost a piece of my yesterdays watching that show and he's has one of the coolest mustaches and I love that quirky trademark of his.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Nov 27, 2016 19:44:05 GMT -5
Ron Glass is one of the many reasons that made Barney Miller great and I feel that I lost a piece of my yesterdays watching that show and he's has one of the coolest mustaches and I love that quirky trademark of his. His character was one of my favorites on Barney Miller, as well as his guest appearances on other shows over the years. Sad that he's gone.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 28, 2016 11:04:55 GMT -5
Castro may have been seen as a dictator, but he improved life for the majority of his country's citizens in a lot of ways. His policies dramatically improved the general standard of living for the poorest people in Cuba. I doubt they would agree with your sentiments. I don't grieve for dictators. The world is a better place without them. Yes, there are some Cubans grieving, just as there were groups of North Koreans grieving when a piece of sh*t like Kim Jong-il died. All I know is that tons of Cubans who fled to America under his regime are celebrating in the streets like it's the last day on Earth. And I applaud them.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 28, 2016 11:49:12 GMT -5
Castro may have been seen as a dictator, but he improved life for the majority of his country's citizens in a lot of ways. His policies dramatically improved the general standard of living for the poorest people in Cuba. I doubt they would agree with your sentiments. I don't grieve for dictators. The world is a better place without them. Yes, there are some Cubans grieving, just as there were groups of North Koreans grieving when a piece of sh*t like Kim Jong-il died. All I know is that tons of Cubans who fled to America under his regime are celebrating in the streets like it's the last day on Earth. And I applaud them. So basically, all the stuff mentioned earlier about how he dramatically improved healthcare, education and infrastructure in Cuba doesn't matter, because he did bad stuff, too? Seems to me some supposedly more civilized countries could learn a thing or two from Castro.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 28, 2016 11:57:35 GMT -5
I don't grieve for dictators. The world is a better place without them. Yes, there are some Cubans grieving, just as there were groups of North Koreans grieving when a piece of sh*t like Kim Jong-il died. All I know is that tons of Cubans who fled to America under his regime are celebrating in the streets like it's the last day on Earth. And I applaud them. So basically, all the stuff mentioned earlier about how he dramatically improved healthcare, education and infrastructure in Cuba doesn't matter, because he did bad stuff, too? Seems to me some supposedly more civilized countries could learn a thing or two from Castro. This is just my opinion, so I'm going to state as very softly as possible: While Castro did do those wonderful things, he did do quite a few bad things. I think people should be free to "RIP" him, but there has been an absurd amount of "hero worship" over Castro, and a lot of people disagree with with that, obviously. I do agree, quite a few countries could stand to learn from the good he did do, but a lot of people view the bad he did certainly outweighs the good. I, personally, do not think that anyone should celebrate his passing, simply BECAUSE he's passed, but that's certainly not *my* call to make for everyone. Aaaaannnndddddd I was going to somewhere with this, but now it's gone.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 28, 2016 12:07:37 GMT -5
I don't grieve for dictators. The world is a better place without them. Yes, there are some Cubans grieving, just as there were groups of North Koreans grieving when a piece of sh*t like Kim Jong-il died. All I know is that tons of Cubans who fled to America under his regime are celebrating in the streets like it's the last day on Earth. And I applaud them. So basically, all the stuff mentioned earlier about how he dramatically improved healthcare, education and infrastructure in Cuba doesn't matter, because he did bad stuff, too? Seems to me some supposedly more civilized countries could learn a thing or two from Castro. When Castro first rose to power, it's not like the state of Cuba could've gotten a whole lot worse. So make even the most incremental of improvements, and of course there will be a segment of the poorest that is devoted to you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 12:26:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 12:51:57 GMT -5
Seems to me some supposedly more civilized countries could learn a thing or two from Castro. Like how to make boats to escape from the homeland? Life was not a bed of roses under this militant putz.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 28, 2016 13:22:23 GMT -5
So basically, all the stuff mentioned earlier about how he dramatically improved healthcare, education and infrastructure in Cuba doesn't matter, because he did bad stuff, too? Seems to me some supposedly more civilized countries could learn a thing or two from Castro. When Castro first rose to power, it's not like the state of Cuba could've gotten a whole lot worse. So make even the most incremental of improvements, and of course there will be a segment of the poorest that is devoted to you. But we're not talking about minor improvements, we're talking about pretty major ones. And it wasn't merely a segment of the poorest that benefit, it was pretty much all of them; those who lost out under Castro tended to be the highest earners, the ones who could afford it.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 28, 2016 13:24:51 GMT -5
The headline is rather poorly worded-it makes it sound as though he bonked all 35, 000 of them when he was fourteen, then had a cigar to celebrate. That sounds like one hell of a birthday for the kid...
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Post by Confessor on Nov 28, 2016 17:09:17 GMT -5
...and survived over 600 assassination attempts. Hang on, was Fidel Castro actually James Bond?!
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