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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 21, 2023 11:32:02 GMT -5
Not everyone knew that Bennett had a connection to comic books: he was the only one of his circle of high school friends who didn't go on to become a comic book pro!
Cei-U! I lower the flag!
Another connection Youthful Romances 12, 1952 From the My Comics Shop write-up: "Stories and art by Stephen Kirkel, Harry Harrison, Bob Bache and Henry Kiefer. Tales of love and heartbreak, with a twist: in-story appearances by real-life musicians of the era. Colleen loves her manager Ray, but he doesn't notice her, until he gets a hint from a song by real-life music legend Tony Bennett, in a surprise cameo. Plus a profile and photo of Tony Bennett. If you're a Tony Bennett fan, this is the comic for you! Government secretary Patty is torn between boss Ted and contractor Jim, until she suspects that one of them is swindling Uncle Sam. In an unconventional story, the romance between Mary and George goes awry when a mayoral candidate accuses her father of racketeering. Cover features a photo of a young Tony Bennett. Cold, Cold Heart; I was a Washington Secretary; Tony Bennett - The Golden Tone; Racketeers Daughter; Strikeout for Love."
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 21, 2023 21:04:14 GMT -5
Of course, a whole generation only knows him from the Simpsons....
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jul 26, 2023 15:38:14 GMT -5
Just saw the news that Sinead O'Connor has died at the age of 56. Her family hasn't disclosed the cause of death. She was a talented musician and singer, but unfortunately she often seemed to be better known for various controversies - which I won't get into here because this isn't a politics thread. RIP...
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 26, 2023 16:24:53 GMT -5
Just saw the news that Sinead O'Connor has died at the age of 56. Her family hasn't disclosed the cause of death. She was a talented musician and singer, but unfortunately she often seemed to be better known for various controversies - which I won't get into here because this isn't a politics thread. RIP... She also has had issues with mental health and substance abuse, which may or may not be a factor here. I am 56 and it is too young to die, from where I sit. I wasn't much of a fan of her music, though I did feel she had a powerful voice and sang well; it just wasn't my style. I did find her performance of "Mother, at the Wall in Berling, with Roger Waters and others performing Pink Floyd's The Wall, at the site of the Berlin Wall, to be a bit ironic, given some of her controversies, especially when she sang the lyric, Mother will you try to break my balls..." She had them! I watched the SNL even, when it happened and mostly just sat there thinking, "What the heck was that all about?" As some kind of protest, I didn't think it was very effective and didn't really highlight whatever issue she was trying to address. In the end, it backfired horribly on her. Given those consequences and other issues in her life, I do truly hope she can rest, in peace. I am just a little sad that it seems so hard to have peace, before death, in this world, from my own experiences.
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Post by Calidore on Jul 26, 2023 17:35:50 GMT -5
Wow, very sad, though not totally unexpected given her recent mental health struggles, which is also very sad. Her music wasn't really my style, but her instantly recognizable voice and immense talent made her listenable anyway.
I was surprised some years ago to hear her pop up on the Afro Celt Sound System tune "Release". Turned out she wrote it herself to honor one of the band who had passed. Beautiful song about coping with loss, sung from the point of view of the person lost, who is now O'Connor herself. R.I.P.
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Post by commond on Jul 26, 2023 18:17:12 GMT -5
That one came from left field.
Nothing Compares 2 U was an awesome Prince song and an even better Sinead cover.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 27, 2023 10:35:50 GMT -5
She also has had issues with mental health and substance abuse, which may or may not be a factor here. I am 56 and it is too young to die, from where I sit. I wasn't much of a fan of her music, though I did feel she had a powerful voice and sang well; it just wasn't my style. I did find her performance of "Mother, at the Wall in Berling, with Roger Waters and others performing Pink Floyd's The Wall, at the site of the Berlin Wall, to be a bit ironic, given some of her controversies, especially when she sang the lyric, Mother will you try to break my balls..." She had them! I watched the SNL even, when it happened and mostly just sat there thinking, "What the heck was that all about?" As some kind of protest, I didn't think it was very effective and didn't really highlight whatever issue she was trying to address. In the end, it backfired horribly on her.Given those consequences and other issues in her life, I do truly hope she can rest, in peace. I am just a little sad that it seems so hard to have peace, before death, in this world, from my own experiences. Well, it's all about context... In 1992 when O'Connor shredded a picture of Pope John Paul II on Saturday Night Live, she was protesting the enormous systemic coverup/conspiracy by the Catholic Church of sexual abuse by its clergy, an issue that hit home with O'Connor, who had been the victim of abuse herself. It was also an issue that virtually everyone else in any position of influence had, at best, tiptoed around and at worst simply ignored or disparaged. It hit home around the world. That was the year it was revealed that James Porter, a Massachusetts priest, pleaded guilty to abusing dozens of children in the Boston Archdiocese, the case that served as the foreshadowing of the cover-ups of Bernard Cardinal Law, who evaded the law by essentially escaping to Rome where the Pope set him up in a sinecure. The Mob would have been proud. It was also in 1992 that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops sheepishly, shamefacedly, begrudgingly admitted that "some" of their members had covered up years of abuse. So, yeah, context meant something. O'Connor finished the song, Bob Marley’s “War,” the lyrics of which she’d changed slightly to reflect her concern about child abuse, and then spoke the words, “Fight the real enemy,” tore the photo with the camera on her and the photo in extreme close-up and left the stage. Her protest ignited the usual firestorm of knee-jerk reactions, ironically, to a show that supposedly prided itself on its edginess. Lorne Michaels and his director Dave Wilson (Letterman’s guy) cut the Applause sign, and when she left the stage, the cast had vanished. The NBC switchboards were flooded with outraged calls, as switchboards always are, but to give the devil his due, Michaels didn’t prevent O’Connor from being on stage at the end of the show. Ironically, before the show, Michaels had told host Tim Robbins that he couldn’t use his planned monologue castigating GE (NBC’s parent company) for its status as a notorious polluter, but in the wake of O’Connor’s protest, Robbins and his wife Susan Sarandon wore anti-GE T-shirts during the credits. Afterwards, Michaels praised O’Connor, calling her act of protest “the bravest possible thing she could [have done].” The next week, though, Michaels stood by as host Joe Pesci’s monologue included this little gem... No floods reported at the switchboard when he declares he would have hit Sinead O’Connor had he been there. To set the record straight, the consensus that O’Connor had sabotaged herself, that she had ruined her career, was not one she shared. She viewed her role not as entertainer, but as an activist and a protester, perhaps even a provocateur, and certainly as an artist whose responsibility was to prod people to think. Remember that just the year before she was the first artist to refuse a Grammy; I think she may still be the only one. O’Connor declared that the music business “acknowledge mostly the commercial side of art. They respect mostly material gain since that is the main reason for their existence. How can we communicate with and help the human race when we have allowed ourselves to be taken out of the world and placed above it?" Eighteen years later, when Pope Benedict XVI apologized to Ireland to atone for decades of abuse, O'Connor said that the apology was hardly enough. She called for Catholics to stop going to Mass until a full investigation was made into the Vatican's role in enabling and perpetuating the systematic abuse of children by its prelates. It’s clear that O’Connor did not regard herself as an entertainer; she believed that her protest on SNL was her responsibility. It took courage, a courage she exerted throughout her sadly torturous life. She never gave up on what she regarded as her duty as an artist. And today, most rational and compassionate human begins recognize that she was telling the truth. Her own words provide a poignant epitaph for her. “As artists I believe our function is to express the feelings of the human race–to always speak the truth and never keep it hidden even though we are operating in a world which does not like the sound of the truth. I believe that our purpose is to inspire and, in some way, guide and heal the human race, of which we are all equal members.” Nothing compared to Sinead O’Connor.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jul 27, 2023 12:00:54 GMT -5
Well, Prince Hal expressed (in a manner more eloquently that I could do so) many of the thoughts I had about O'Connor but was a bit leery about sharing here given my own uncertainty as to how political something may or may not be (and then get my post deleted). So I'll share one thing I wanted to previously: a response from O'Connor herself to the question of whether tearing up a picture of the pope on live TV defined her career: “Yes, in a beautiful f***ing way. There was no doubt about who this b**ch is. There was no more mistaking this woman for a pop star. But it was not derailing; people say, ‘Oh, you f***ed up your career’ but they’re talking about the career they had in mind for me. I f***ed up the house in Antigua that the record company dudes wanted to buy. I f***ed up their career, not mine. It meant I had to make my living playing live, and I am born for live performance.” And nobody of note ever bothered apologizing to O'Connor, even though she was right all along.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 27, 2023 21:14:48 GMT -5
She also has had issues with mental health and substance abuse, which may or may not be a factor here. I am 56 and it is too young to die, from where I sit. I wasn't much of a fan of her music, though I did feel she had a powerful voice and sang well; it just wasn't my style. I did find her performance of "Mother, at the Wall in Berling, with Roger Waters and others performing Pink Floyd's The Wall, at the site of the Berlin Wall, to be a bit ironic, given some of her controversies, especially when she sang the lyric, Mother will you try to break my balls..." She had them! I watched the SNL even, when it happened and mostly just sat there thinking, "What the heck was that all about?" As some kind of protest, I didn't think it was very effective and didn't really highlight whatever issue she was trying to address. In the end, it backfired horribly on her.Given those consequences and other issues in her life, I do truly hope she can rest, in peace. I am just a little sad that it seems so hard to have peace, before death, in this world, from my own experiences. Well, it's all about context... In 1992 when O'Connor shredded a picture of Pope John Paul II on Saturday Night Live, she was protesting the enormous systemic coverup/conspiracy by the Catholic Church of sexual abuse by its clergy, an issue that hit home with O'Connor, who had been the victim of abuse herself. It was also an issue that virtually everyone else in any position of influence had, at best, tiptoed around and at worst simply ignored or disparaged. It hit home around the world. That was the year it was revealed that James Porter, a Massachusetts priest, pleaded guilty to abusing dozens of children in the Boston Archdiocese, the case that served as the foreshadowing of the cover-ups of Bernard Cardinal Law, who evaded the law by essentially escaping to Rome where the Pope set him up in a sinecure. The Mob would have been proud. It was also in 1992 that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops sheepishly, shamefacedly, begrudgingly admitted that "some" of their members had covered up years of abuse. So, yeah, context meant something. O'Connor finished the song, Bob Marley’s “War,” the lyrics of which she’d changed slightly to reflect her concern about child abuse, and then spoke the words, “Fight the real enemy,” tore the photo with the camera on her and the photo in extreme close-up and left the stage. Her protest ignited the usual firestorm of knee-jerk reactions, ironically, to a show that supposedly prided itself on its edginess. Lorne Michaels and his director Dave Wilson (Letterman’s guy) cut the Applause sign, and when she left the stage, the cast had vanished. The NBC switchboards were flooded with outraged calls, as switchboards always are, but to give the devil his due, Michaels didn’t prevent O’Connor from being on stage at the end of the show. Ironically, before the show, Michaels had told host Tim Robbins that he couldn’t use his planned monologue castigating GE (NBC’s parent company) for its status as a notorious polluter, but in the wake of O’Connor’s protest, Robbins and his wife Susan Sarandon wore anti-GE T-shirts during the credits. Afterwards, Michaels praised O’Connor, calling her act of protest “the bravest possible thing she could [have done].” The next week, though, Michaels stood by as host Joe Pesci’s monologue included this little gem... No floods reported at the switchboard when he declares he would have hit Sinead O’Connor had he been there. To set the record straight, the consensus that O’Connor had sabotaged herself, that she had ruined her career, was not one she shared. She viewed her role not as entertainer, but as an activist and a protester, perhaps even a provocateur, and certainly as an artist whose responsibility was to prod people to think. Remember that just the year before she was the first artist to refuse a Grammy; I think she may still be the only one. O’Connor declared that the music business “acknowledge mostly the commercial side of art. They respect mostly material gain since that is the main reason for their existence. How can we communicate with and help the human race when we have allowed ourselves to be taken out of the world and placed above it?" Eighteen years later, when Pope Benedict XVI apologized to Ireland to atone for decades of abuse, O'Connor said that the apology was hardly enough. She called for Catholics to stop going to Mass until a full investigation was made into the Vatican's role in enabling and perpetuating the systematic abuse of children by its prelates. It’s clear that O’Connor did not regard herself as an entertainer; she believed that her protest on SNL was her responsibility. It took courage, a courage she exerted throughout her sadly torturous life. She never gave up on what she regarded as her duty as an artist. And today, most rational and compassionate human begins recognize that she was telling the truth. Her own words provide a poignant epitaph for her. “As artists I believe our function is to express the feelings of the human race–to always speak the truth and never keep it hidden even though we are operating in a world which does not like the sound of the truth. I believe that our purpose is to inspire and, in some way, guide and heal the human race, of which we are all equal members.” Nothing compared to Sinead O’Connor. I was aware of the Church scandal, even before it was breaking nationally, just from talking to the younger Catholic chaplain, at one of the command happy hours, where he talked about there being a real issue, that the church didn't want to address. When the episode aired, i heard her sing the song and saw the staging, but wasn't fully paying attention to everything, then saw the ending and then cut to commercial. There was a lot of context missing there, on the night and all the media seemed to report was the photo ripping and people flooding NBC with calls. I didn't pay close attention to the story beyond the initial reporting, the next day or two. I get trying to use the live situation to grab attention, I just don't think it ended up accomplishing what she intended.
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Post by foxley on Jul 28, 2023 3:20:41 GMT -5
RIP to Randy Meisner, founding member of the Eagles, who has passed away at the age of 77 due to complications associated with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Meisner was with their group from their formation in 1971 until 1977, and co-wrote the hit "Take It to the Limit".
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 28, 2023 9:50:03 GMT -5
I was aware of the Church scandal, even before it was breaking nationally, just from talking to the younger Catholic chaplain, at one of the command happy hours, where he talked about there being a real issue, that the church didn't want to address. When the episode aired, i heard her sing the song and saw the staging, but wasn't fully paying attention to everything, then saw the ending and then cut to commercial. There was a lot of context missing there, on the night and all the media seemed to report was the photo ripping and people flooding NBC with calls. I didn't pay close attention to the story beyond the initial reporting, the next day or two. I get trying to use the live situation to grab attention, I just don't think it ended up accomplishing what she intended. Oh, I thought you were unaware of the context from the way you described your reaction. And as far as she was concerned, she got the reaction she wanted.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 31, 2023 12:52:51 GMT -5
So this one hit close to home, Paul Reubens (better known as Pee-Wee Herman) passed away from Cancer at 70
Loved Pee-Wee's Playhouse and Big Adventure as a youngling. He was also The Spleen in Mystery Men (one of my favorite superhero movies of all time) and briefly acted as the host of the ABC's very short lived game-show adaptation of "You Don't Know Jack"
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 31, 2023 13:34:19 GMT -5
Wow, that really bums me out. Pee Wee's Big Adventure is my favorite Tim Burton movie (after Big Fish) and I have so many delightful memories of watching Pee Wee's Playhouse with my nieces. RIP, Paul.
Cei-U! I summon the sudden onset depression!
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 1, 2023 20:48:35 GMT -5
I first saw him in Cheech & Chong's Next Movie, on Cinemax. I could swear there was no Pee Wee, but the listing for it says he does Pee Wee and a desk clerk (that part I recalled). I caught him in Blues Brothers, a little later, before he started appearing everywhere, as Pee Wee. Lest we forget, he was also the Penguin's father, in Batman Returns, though I'd rather watch him as the Spleen. I may be in the minority; but, I liked his non-Pee Wee stuff better.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 1, 2023 22:46:37 GMT -5
Posted on the wrestling thread; but, we also lost Exotic Adrian Street, at age 82, after some complications with some medical conditions. Street was the son of a Welsh coal miner and had no desire to do the same thing and headed to London, working odd jobs to earn his way, until he fell into wrestling and bodybuilding. he paid his dues and worked up to the bigger circuits, including Dale Martin promotions, the big London promoter, as well as Joint Promotions, the staple of Saturdays evening, on ITV. Street used a few names, before that one, then bleached his hair and had a powder blue ring jacket and matching trunks and boots, and thought he was emulating Nature Boy Buddy Rogers; but, the crowd started heckling him with taunts and gay slurs and he saw that he got not the reaction he expected, but a bigger reaction than before and built on it, creating a proto-glam rock persona, with an ambiguity about his sexuality, in the manner of people like Bowie and Marc Bolan. he famously took on tv personality Jimmy Saville, when he was going around having wrestling matches and treating it like a comedy act. Street didn't like him and didn't like him treating the business as a joke (and British wrestling was presented as more of an athletic competition, with more actual holds and counters) and he beat the crap out of Saville, as well as ripped out some of his hair. Saville dropped the wrestling gimmick from then on. Later, when the allegations and revelations came out about Saville's sex abuse of minors and others, as well as cover ups by the Thatcher government and the BBC, Street became a folk hero for the beating he gave Saville. He came to the US to wrestle, as the British scene was deteriorating, as promoter Max Crabtree was pushing his brother, Shirley (yup, Shirley) as Big Daddy, beating everyone and driving away crowds. Street went to canada, to wrestle for St Hart's (Bret & Owen Hart's father) Stampede promotion, in Calgary, then went to work in Los Angeles, at the tail end of its existence. From there, he went into the Southern wrestling territories, where he was a big draw with the crowds, accompanied by his valet, Miss Linda (who was his wife, though they didn't publicize that fact, to keep the ambiguity and add to it). When Street retired from the ring, he continued making a living by creating and sewing wrestling gear of other wrestlers, through his Bizarre Bazaar, and also self-published 8 books of his memoirs, talking about the British wrestling scene of the 70s and coming to America. he also trained new wrestlers, at a school, in Florida, until it was destroyed in a hurricane and he decided to return to live in Wales. he is survived by wife, Miss Linda, who was also a lady wrestler, under the name Blackfoot Sue. By all accounts, she was tougher than he was! Here is Street, in the early 70s, before he started his glam look, against Jim Breaks. Street was a hell of a mat wrestler, legit tough and he could "shoot" (legit wrestle, with submissions), if he needed to. In this time frame, wrestling was one of the most popular programs on ITV, on Saturday evenings, at Tea Time, with millions watching.... At the start of his building a persona, he is borrowing things from Gorgeous George (the hair, the robes, the fastidiousness, perfume, etc) and Ricky Star (who did a ballet gimmick, but was a legit collegiate champion, who did train some in ballet), who would prance and dance around the ring, in pink ballet slippers. He started adding glam facial make-up and glitter, ribbons in his hair, as well as prancing and mincing to stir up the crowd. Then he would wrestle as hard as his opponent. I love this era of British wrestling, as the matches are filled with actual wrestling, with si-outs and counters and real arm, wrist, leg and ankle locks. They are still working, putting on a show with a pre-determined outcome, but it looks like actual wrestling, not a staged brawl or cheap heat heel stuff (pulling the hair, the tights, punching when the ref's back is turned, etc). Some clips here, from an interview he did with a British wrestling podcast, Wrestling Shoot Interviews, plus a WWE feature and some toher clips, with quotes from Linda, for the BBC.... In the late 80s, Street worked for Continental Championship Wrestling, in Alabama, Florida and Tennessee, where he was the babyface(!!) in a feud with American wrestler Hustler Rip Rogers, who had borrowed some of Street's mannerisms and gimmick, and displayed them in other areas. They worked a 6 month program against each other and drew big crowds, byt changing things up constantly, then pulling their valets (Street's wife, Miss Linda, and Rip's wife, Miss Brenda Britton) into the mix, doing mixed tag matches and angles. This deep Southern crowd cheered on Adrian, in full "exotic" glory, against Rip, as the "darker mirror image." They were of similar size, both with valets (who were their legit wives), both with bleached blond hair, both doing effeminate and flamboyant things and both terrific workers, who knew how to take the crowd on a ride and entertain them. Street was the more technically oriented and got to display it more, as the hero, while Rip did the evil corner cutting. It was something to see, especially in that environment. Here is Street, for his QSI interview, talking about Jimmy Saville and why he beat him up so much.... (WARNING: A few choice words, but no F-bombs) Street had survived throat cancer, and was about 80-81, when he did that interview, which is probably why he would think about what he wants to say, before saying it, because of the throat damage. Street was a hell of a performer and also appeared in the film Quest for Fire, as well as Pier Paolo Pasolini's The Canterbury Tales, in 1972, playing a wrestler. My favorite image of him is from the 70s, standing with his father, outside a coal mine entrance, showing who he became, vs where he came from....
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