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Post by Confessor on Sept 18, 2015 7:24:16 GMT -5
That's interesting on two fronts because I think Man of Steel is far inferior to the first two Superman movies and that Cavill doesn't really look much like Superman at all. In fact, out of all the people to play the role since Reeve, I think he looks the least like the character. Likewise. Cavill just doesn't look like Superman to me at all. Whereas Christopher Reeve just absolutely nailed it in a way that hadn't been done before or since. I think Brandon Routh looked spot on, unfortunately he never got much of a chance thanks to the poor script he was dealing with... Routh was outstanding. I sorely regret that he wasn't given a better opportunity to show his stuff. I thought Brandon Routh was excellent as well and, in fact, I really, really liked Superman Returns. I thought a lot of the criticisms levelled at it were pretty unfair and I didn't even mind the super-baby thing; I thought that tied in brilliantly with the first film. Routh had a massive task in filling Reeve's shoes and he did it seemingly effortlessly. I will forever be sad that there wasn't a sequel to that film. Cavill was an attempt to move away from the Christopher Reeve standard and try a different approach to Superman. Well, that didn't pan out too well, did it? [/snark]  I had the same issue with Kate Bosworth, who I honestly thought looked more like a college student than a seasoned reporter for a major metropolitan newspaper. Agreed. Bosworth was a terrible piece of casting. I just couldn't buy the fact that she was the same character that Margot Kidder had portrayed all those years earlier. Routh as Reeve's Kent/Supes, on the other hand, I bought that easily. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 18, 2015 7:56:35 GMT -5
I actually like Tom Welling as Superman(Boy) better than Routh or Cavil.... I think DC has done far better with TV than movies.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 18, 2015 11:29:02 GMT -5
Superman Returns was the single most mind-numbingly boring movie I've ever seen. Normally I wouldn't watch a Superman movie but one of my boys wanted to try it. We turned it off half-way and nobody ever had any interest in going back and watching the rest. I've watched paint dry that was more exciting and interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 13:49:44 GMT -5
Superman Returns was the single most mind-numbingly boring movie I've ever seen. Normally I wouldn't watch a Superman movie but one of my boys wanted to try it. We turned it off half-way and nobody ever had any interest in going back and watching the rest. I've watched paint dry that was more exciting and interesting. I am 4 for 4 in falling asleep during attempts to watch the movie, including when I saw it in the theatre. I can't get through more than a half hour of it at any point without nodding off. I did finally watch the whole thing by watching it in 10-15 minute increments then going off and doing something else for hours or days at a time, and it wasn't worth the effort. -M |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 19, 2015 0:32:33 GMT -5
Superman Returns was the single most mind-numbingly boring movie I've ever seen. Normally I wouldn't watch a Superman movie but one of my boys wanted to try it. We turned it off half-way and nobody ever had any interest in going back and watching the rest. I've watched paint dry that was more exciting and interesting. I've seen it once and have never desired to watch it again. Ditto with Man of Steel. Conversely, I've seen Superman I & II probably...30 times each in my life? I used to actually wear out VHS tapes of my favorite movies back in the day. |
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Post by shaxper on Sept 19, 2015 6:38:47 GMT -5
Superman Returns did a great job with casting (Kate Bosworth aside) and a good job with characterization, but yeah, that plot was rocky, and the Super Baby Daddy thing really disappointed me too. Clever, but unnecessary.
Man of Steel, on the other hand -- that was just completely unwatchable for me. Never boring, but frequently stupid, upsetting, and/or poorly considered.
And all this coming from a guy who enjoys watching Superman III...
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 19, 2015 8:39:44 GMT -5
See, as flawed as it was I enjoyed Man of Steel. I had issues with the way they had Pa Kent die and the massive destruction at the end, but I really liked the look of Krypton, the characterization of Zod, Clark's walk about, the debate about the school bus and I loved how the action was filmed. So for me, the positives out stripped the negatives, even if they were large flaws.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 20, 2015 7:22:46 GMT -5
Just found a way of exclusively tracking repeat visitors to the site via Google Analytics. Presumably, this would mostly be our active members. It will take Google 24 hours to begin returning the results and, even then, our Friday thru Monday traffic is not the same as the higher traffic and activity levels we tend to see Tuesday thru Thursday. In short, we'll have a better picture by this time next week. I just have to remember to return to this thread and post the data... Okay, here's the data from yesterday. So the breakdown for repeat visitors to the site on Friday breaks down as follows: 35-44 yr olds: 90 45-54 yr olds: 72 25-34 yr olds: 33 18-24 yr olds: 0 54+ yrs old: 0 This is a very slim snapshot of the board's traffic, and a regular member who only checked in on the board once would not have been counted. Also bear in mind that this number includes the large number of silent repeat visitors we have here who either haven't joined yet or who do not regularly post. Okay, here's the data we now have from last week's traffic: 35-44 yr olds: 35.49% 45-54 yr olds: 29.13% 25-34 yr olds: 16.82% 18-24 yr olds: 12.35% 55-64 yr olds: 4.72% 65+ yr olds: 1.48% Not all that different from what we saw in that one day snapshot. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 8:39:09 GMT -5
My take on the Superman movies:
Superman I and II are by far the most true represntation of the spirit of Superman. Spot on casting, great stories, great cinematography. Christopher Reeve perfectly captured the essence of Superman and Clark Kent. Just by altering his posture and mannerisms he created 2 seperate characters. I cannot count how many times I have watched those 2 movies and enjoyed them each time.
Superman Returns: It was ok, nothing special aside from Brandon Routh's portrayal of Superman. I thought he did a great job and was very much like Reeve's Superman. I thought they could have done a better job casting Lois. Kate Bosworth seemed a bit timid and restrained, not at all like Lois Lane. Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor was good.
Man of Steel: I admit, I enjoyed it. I didn't think Cavill came across as stiff or cardboard at all. I thought he played the character very well. What I took from his portrayal of Superman was that as a child and growing up, Clark had been told to keep all the things he could do to himself. To me, that translated into a reserved Clark Kent, always on guard and trying to use his powers for good but not wanting people to know about his abilities. He felt like he couldn't befriend anyone due to them possibly finding out what he could do and kept his emotions in check. I enjoyed the scenes with him and his mother. Diane Lane came across as a warm, loving, and very concerned mother. The Pa Kent tornado scene took me by surprise, but made sense in this version of Superman. He loved his son so much that he was willing to die to protect him.
The violence and destruction was a bit much. However, super hero movies today tend to have these huge crisis-destruction style scenes. It seemed to reflect the dark and not fun New 52 world and that was probably mandated by DC/Warner.
Despite the dark tone, I did enjoy it and I think Cavill is an excellent Superman. Perhaps in the future films, he can flesh out the character as Superman accepts his place in the world.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Sept 26, 2015 5:28:07 GMT -5
I still to this day cannot relate to Superman. Which is odd because I love the idea of powers and abilities that all superheroes have. With him though, I just find him too indestructible. His limitations are not there. Batman you see him take a beating and, granted, the amount he can endure is often a bit much but I feel like if they wanted to, they could kill Bruce Wayne. I cannot see that with superman. Plus I feel like Batman has a reason, a drive. I find his character more interesting than Superman. Of all the DC heroes I find him, Flash and Green Lantern the hardest to connect with and enjoy. That and I have yet to see a Superman cover (outside a few done by Neal Adams and Jim Lee) that say grab me and read me. No disrespect but I am not a big Curt Swan fan and find that time period very simplistic. I like Superman as a side character...this mythical being greater than everyone and makes the odd appearance but I know I will never be able to get into reading Action Comics or Superman from any era. The old stuff is too campy and anything from the 70's to now is just not as intriguing as batman which is why I stick with the Dark Knight. I find Superman pretty easy to relate to. And I'm not talking about his powers, but more so his characterization. He's a guy that I think a lot of people would like to be able to say they are or can be. Someone that just does the right thing. Clark didn't need a tragedy in order to do good. He would have been a good person without his superpowers and still do "the right thing" when an opportunity presented itself. He also had a pretty average middle America upbringing with parents that took good care of him. I feel like I could know someone like Clark. Bruce Wayne on the other hand is a billionaire playboy with tons of women, resources, and at the core is a borderline nutcase. That isn't me or anyone I know. That being said I still enjoy the stories he's been put in. |
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Post by Golddragon71 on Sept 27, 2015 7:56:56 GMT -5
I still to this day cannot relate to Superman. Which is odd because I love the idea of powers and abilities that all superheroes have. With him though, I just find him too indestructible. His limitations are not there. Batman you see him take a beating and, granted, the amount he can endure is often a bit much but I feel like if they wanted to, they could kill Bruce Wayne. I cannot see that with superman. Plus I feel like Batman has a reason, a drive. I find his character more interesting than Superman. Of all the DC heroes I find him, Flash and Green Lantern the hardest to connect with and enjoy. That and I have yet to see a Superman cover (outside a few done by Neal Adams and Jim Lee) that say grab me and read me. No disrespect but I am not a big Curt Swan fan and find that time period very simplistic. I like Superman as a side character...this mythical being greater than everyone and makes the odd appearance but I know I will never be able to get into reading Action Comics or Superman from any era. The old stuff is too campy and anything from the 70's to now is just not as intriguing as batman which is why I stick with the Dark Knight. I find Superman pretty easy to relate to. And I'm not talking about his powers, but more so his characterization. He's a guy that I think a lot of people would like to be able to say they are or can be. Someone that just does the right thing. Clark didn't need a tragedy in order to do good. He would have been a good person without his superpowers and still do "the right thing" when an opportunity presented itself. He also had a pretty average middle America upbringing with parents that took good care of him. I feel like I could know someone like Clark. Bruce Wayne on the other hand is a billionaire playboy with tons of women, resources, and at the core is a borderline nutcase. That isn't me or anyone I know. That being said I still enjoy the stories he's been put in. THIS!!!! ahem! Sorry As much as I love Batman (and he really takes the lead in my mind as he was the one I was exposed to first) I really hate that DC has so over-saturated everyone else in the DCU with Batman's tragedy origin |
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Post by UKMikey on Jan 5, 2020 7:51:34 GMT -5
I'm sorry I found out about this forum five years too late to participate in this poll. Happy to see Superman win though. I'm baffled by the people who say Batman is more relatable. In the Bronze Age, maybe. To underscore my point I'm going to totally cherrypick an example of terrible Bat characterization.   From a 2020 perspective I'm happy that Brandon Routh finally got a chance to play an onscreen version of Superman that didn't send me to sleep. His soon to be concluded tenure in TV's Arrowverse rapidly rehabilitated his reputation in my eyes. |
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