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Post by kirby101 on Jun 15, 2021 10:59:48 GMT -5
What do people think about Steve Gan's inks on John Buscema? They were fine, if not spectacular. His brush work had a similar feel to Buscema's own, so he didn't overpower it the way other Filipino inkers did. It allowed Buscema's pencils to com through more.
I remember he did some nice solo work on the Skull comic. It was a cross between Buscema and Kubert.
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Post by zaku on Jun 15, 2021 14:57:16 GMT -5
Didn't Peter David write Mark Hazzard? I seem to recall it getting flack for racism/stereotypes in storylines, from the Comics Journal. DP7 was the only one I recall having much of an audience and receiving praise and I think it ran the longest. I flipped through one or two, but never read them or any of the others books. My ex-brother-in-law was pretty big on DP7 and Justice. I think no one really miss the New Universe. Even when Warren Ellis tried to put a new spin to the concept, I don't remember people being really excited about it.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 15, 2021 15:53:20 GMT -5
I would've liked to have an ending for Ellis' version. Also have almost the complete Star Brand series, plus some Justice issues.
I don't really miss it though, Star Brand was basically wrapped up. New Universal on the other hand...
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Post by Crimebuster on Jun 15, 2021 16:03:55 GMT -5
DP7 was good. The first year, which is basically one self contained arc from #1-12, was really good (and seemed to be the unacknowledged source for a lot of the basic setup for the TV show Heroes). Gru was the writer, with Paul Ryan on pencils. The second year was good as well, though less focused, but once the characters got pulled into the company wide crossovers, the series got scattershot. The more things change, the more they stay the same!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 16:22:29 GMT -5
^ I have the trade (bought cheap from Hamilton Books . com). .it's great.
was really the only New Universe title that held up
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Post by berkley on Jun 15, 2021 18:00:48 GMT -5
What do people think about Steve Gan's inks on John Buscema? They were a bit too rough and sketchy for me at times but there's no denying that they're very similar to Buscema's own inking style.
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Post by chadwilliam on Jun 16, 2021 18:38:10 GMT -5
Question about Doctor Doom - During his run some twenty years back, Mark Waid presented Doom during his not as a sort of "noble dictator" but as a monster who would "tear the head off a newborn baby and eat it like an apple while his mother watched if it would somehow prove he's smarter than Reed." As someone who can't honestly say he's read enough Doctor Doom stories to know whether or not history would support Waid's claim, I'll ask everyone here - is Waid's assessment right? Chucking The Baxter Building into space, trying to steal the power of The Beyonder or simply Blackbeard's treasure, world domination - sure, these are the things I can see Doom accomplishing/attempting, but Waid's assertion that his Doom was perfectly in keeping with what had come before (I believe he stated that he could list ten things off the top of his head that is worse than the things he did in his run) has me wondering if this is really the case. Flaying his childhood girlfriend alive seemed a bit... out of character to me, but hey, I haven't read a lot of Fantastic Four. Am I wrong? Just how evil is Doom? Did Waid take things overboard or was he simply continuing a tradition which a layman such as myself may be unaware of?
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 16, 2021 19:02:13 GMT -5
Mark Waid presented Doom during his not as a sort of "noble dictator" but as a monster who would "tear the head off a newborn baby and eat it like an apple while his mother watched if it would somehow prove he's smarter than Reed." Flaying his childhood girlfriend alive seemed a bit... out of character to me, but hey, I haven't read a lot of Fantastic Four. How and why does someone imagine this kind of thing and then decide that, sure, it’s insightful characterization and it will make a comic book story that much more entertaining.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 16, 2021 19:31:40 GMT -5
Is anyone familiar with the story numbering system Marvel used circa 1950? I got my copy of it's A Duck's Life #4 in the mail today, and while some of the stories are simply given a four digit number in the first panel, others have the number preceded by an "S.L." Could this mean Stan Lee wrote those stories? The GCD has not indexed this book, so no help there.
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Post by berkley on Jun 16, 2021 20:31:17 GMT -5
Mark Waid presented Doom during his not as a sort of "noble dictator" but as a monster who would "tear the head off a newborn baby and eat it like an apple while his mother watched if it would somehow prove he's smarter than Reed." Flaying his childhood girlfriend alive seemed a bit... out of character to me, but hey, I haven't read a lot of Fantastic Four. How and why does someone imagine this kind of thing and then decide that, sure, it’s insightful characterization and it will make a comic book story that much more entertaining?
I remember hearing about this at the time and thinking that, yeah, there's something of that to be found in Doom's many past variations, including the Lee/Kirby, but it's such a one-note take on the character my reaction was similar to your: why simplify it to such an extreme? I get the feeling that Waid wanted to go back to basics but also didn't want to put much effort into it, so he just latched onto one of the earliest and most obvious elements of Doom's origin story - but in fixating on that single aspect he ended up producing an exaggerated caricature of what had gradually become a more nuanced figure even within the Lee/Kirby FF.
This kind of thing happens a lot and I think much o it is down to laziness or lack of interest or perhaps sometimes even some antagonism towards a character - or perhaps more often, an understandable impulse to burst the bubble of fan-worship: I remember hearing about a Mark Millar story round the same time where he had Doom kneeling down in worship of a new villain who was supposed to be "even more blah, blah, blah than Doom". The fans who complained that Doom would never do something like that were I think correct, but it was still funny to see their over-the-top furore (as I'm sure it's funny to see me complaining ad nauseum about the Eternals, the New Gods, etc)
And I'm sure was Millar's motivation in the first place was to provoke such a raction from fans.Of course they never dare to do it with "important" characters like Batman or Superman, which renders the whole exercise a kind of cowardly behaviour on the writer's part.
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Post by berkley on Jun 16, 2021 20:32:40 GMT -5
What do people think about Steve Gan's inks on John Buscema? They were a bit too rough and sketchy for me at times but there's no denying that they're very similar to Buscema's own inking style.
As Kirby101 already pointed out.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 16, 2021 21:00:19 GMT -5
Is anyone familiar with the story numbering system Marvel used circa 1950? I got my copy of it's A Duck's Life #4 in the mail today, and while some of the stories are simply given a four digit number in the first panel, others have the number preceded by an "S.L." Could this mean Stan Lee wrote those stories? The GCD has not indexed this book, so no help there. IIRC, that means that Stan was the editor in charge of that story. He had other editors working for him at the time. You'd probably get more and better information in the Timely-Atlas group on Facebook.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 16, 2021 21:03:46 GMT -5
What do people think about Steve Gan's inks on John Buscema? When I read this question I had a sudden vision of Steve Gan as a tattoo artist, inking a tattoo on John Buscema. Gan did a fine job inking Buscema's artwork. I don't know how good he would have been at inking Buscema.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 16, 2021 22:46:01 GMT -5
What do people think about Steve Gan's inks on John Buscema? When I read this question I had a sudden vision of Steve Gan as a tattoo artist, inking a tattoo on John Buscema. Gan did a fine job inking Buscema's artwork. I don't know how good he would have been at inking Buscema. My first thought was “I don’t think of it ever.” So you’re one up on me.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 16, 2021 23:48:53 GMT -5
Question about Doctor Doom - During his run some twenty years back, Mark Waid presented Doom during his not as a sort of "noble dictator" but as a monster who would "tear the head off a newborn baby and eat it like an apple while his mother watched if it would somehow prove he's smarter than Reed." As someone who can't honestly say he's read enough Doctor Doom stories to know whether or not history would support Waid's claim, I'll ask everyone here - is Waid's assessment right? Chucking The Baxter Building into space, trying to steal the power of The Beyonder or simply Blackbeard's treasure, world domination - sure, these are the things I can see Doom accomplishing/attempting, but Waid's assertion that his Doom was perfectly in keeping with what had come before (I believe he stated that he could list ten things off the top of his head that is worse than the things he did in his run) has me wondering if this is really the case. Flaying his childhood girlfriend alive seemed a bit... out of character to me, but hey, I haven't read a lot of Fantastic Four. Am I wrong? Just how evil is Doom? Did Waid take things overboard or was he simply continuing a tradition which a layman such as myself may be unaware of? I can't speak to Waid's motivation; but, Waid can be...................................................... .....................hard to understand....................according to some who have known and worked with him. It is quite possible that he saw that element there and Doom is capricious, in many earlier stories. These things are always open to interpretation, just as so many see Captain America representing their political outlook, even when they are polar opposites with others who feel the same. I think the interpretation reveals more about the interpreter, than the object or concept being interpreted
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