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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 18:03:13 GMT -5
Jerry White is Luthor's son. Perry was thought to have been killed and his wife had a brief relationship with Luthor during this time. Jerry dies after being shot. Don't remember why he was shot
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Post by shaxper on Mar 2, 2021 19:17:07 GMT -5
Jerry White is Luthor's son. Perry was thought to have been killed and his wife had a brief relationship with Luthor during this time. Jerry dies after being shot. Don't remember why he was shot It was all planned by the villain Blaze as a means of luring Superman into a trap during the Soul Search storyline, but I suspect the real reason was that Jerry White was an obnoxious character, originally created as a means of drawing out Jose Delgado into his Gangbuster persona by regularly getting himself into trouble. Once Wolfman was gone, I don't think anyone wanted to deal with the character anymore.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Mar 3, 2021 7:07:50 GMT -5
Has anyone ever read any of the random 80s parody? comics that came out after Ninja Turtles like Geriatric Ju Jitsu Gerbils or Adolescent Radioactive Hamsters or whatever? Were these straight up parodies and silly or trying to get on board with the Ninja Turtle craze at the time?
And furthermore, what about titles like Gnatrat which had a Dark Knight Returns cover homage and several others that seemed to parody that series (one with a pig on the cover and another with a duck if I recall). Good to read or take a pass on it?
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 3, 2021 7:09:26 GMT -5
I just read that Pacific comics and First comics went out of business when they tried to go head to head with Marvel by putting out more books. Makes me wonder which comic companies were/ are able to give Marvel a challenge and stay around. Even DC is on the brink of leasing out their properties.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 3, 2021 8:03:14 GMT -5
Has anyone ever read any of the random 80s parody? comics that came out after Ninja Turtles like Geriatric Ju Jitsu Gerbils or Adolescent Radioactive Hamsters or whatever? Were these straight up parodies and silly or trying to get on board with the Ninja Turtle craze at the time? I used to own Green_Gray Spongesuit Suishi Turtles. Straight parody.
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Post by MDG on Mar 3, 2021 8:57:01 GMT -5
Has anyone ever read any of the random 80s parody? comics that came out after Ninja Turtles like Geriatric Ju Jitsu Gerbils or Adolescent Radioactive Hamsters or whatever? Were these straight up parodies and silly or trying to get on board with the Ninja Turtle craze at the time? And furthermore, what about titles like Gnatrat which had a Dark Knight Returns cover homage and several others that seemed to parody that series (one with a pig on the cover and another with a duck if I recall). Good to read or take a pass on it? Cartoonist Kayfabe just did an episode on that subject.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 3, 2021 13:12:26 GMT -5
Boris the Bear did some parody of other comics, but some original stuff, too. Most were parodies and bad ones, or just used the naming convention for the book, like Solson's Sultry Teenage Super Foxes. That one wasn't even anthropomorphic characters; just some random women with exaggerated anatomy in skimpy costumes.
Same thing happened in the wake of Image, with various flash-in-the-pan parody quickies, poking fun at Image, DC & Marvel and/or specific characters, like Lobo. For that era, the only decent parody book was Lethargic Lad, which developed its own world, while also making fun of the others. The Tick started out that way, but progressed beyond, until it came to a halt, when Ben Edlund went off to do the cartoon. The other Tick stories that followed were a mix of the cartoon stuff and parody.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 3, 2021 13:25:23 GMT -5
I just read that Pacific comics and First comics went out of business when they tried to go head to head with Marvel by putting out more books. Makes me wonder which comic companies were/ are able to give Marvel a challenge and stay around. Even DC is on the brink of leasing out their properties. Pacific went under mainly because they over-extended their distribution operations and were bleeding cash; not because they suddenly glutted the market. However, the publishing venture was one of their big cash drains. First Comics went under because they tried to mass market their Classics Illustrated line, with a major bookstore presence. They spent a fortune on bookstore displays and the like but the sales weren't high enough to justify it and it killed their cash flow. Their regular comic line was relatively contained and reasonably successful. So, again, not really trying to compete with Marvel, so much as trying to be a book publisher, without the infrastructure. Had they not done that, their line probably would have continued to exist into the late 90s. Chances are, the Image guys might have come there to publish, instead of making the deal with Malibu, since First offered ownership of the copyright (but long term publishing rights for themselves). By the dawn of the 90s, DC was fighting Marvel on pretty even footing, though it was short-lived. However, both companies had a steep drop from the speculator bubble bursting, with Marvel's bankruptcy following the mess they made with Heroes World. Tokyo Pop was the company that was challenging and beating Marvel, during the height of the Manga boom. Shonen Jump outsold everything and their individual manga sales, in the book market, made DC and Marvel salivate. Of the independents that started up in the Direct Market, I would say Malibu was the one that tried to chase DC and Marvel, after the influx of the Image cash, leading to them going beserk with their cash outlay to launch Ultraverse, and expanding other titles under their Malibu banner (Dinosaurs for Hire, Protectors, Planet of the Apes, etc...). They tried to become a major player in one go and ended up selling off. Dark Horse has been the smartest, working out a niche for themselves and mostly keeping their line at a manageable and profitable level. Valiant had a good start, but went nuts after Shooter left and got taken down with Acclaim's own cash flow issues, which the purchase of Valiant was supposed to shore up by giving them concepts for video games that they would own.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 3, 2021 13:31:30 GMT -5
Thanks , Cody. If DC leases their comic line , I could care less. It’s the creators who have passion for the characters who make the difference.
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Post by Calidore on Mar 3, 2021 16:56:53 GMT -5
Has anyone ever read any of the random 80s parody? comics that came out after Ninja Turtles like Geriatric Ju Jitsu Gerbils or Adolescent Radioactive Hamsters or whatever? Were these straight up parodies and silly or trying to get on board with the Ninja Turtle craze at the time? And furthermore, what about titles like Gnatrat which had a Dark Knight Returns cover homage and several others that seemed to parody that series (one with a pig on the cover and another with a duck if I recall). Good to read or take a pass on it? Boris was pretty good, and I bought it for quite a while. IIRC, over time, it moved away from leaning so heavily on the parodies. The quality of Boris' writing and especially art really stood out during that b & w boom when every amateur was getting something published. Not just the cover, the original Gnatrat book was a straight-up Dark Knight parody that I vaguely remember enjoying. And while Don Simpson would go on to beat Megaton Man into the ground, the original ten-issue series was good fun. Disclaimer: These are my 30+-year-past (ouch) viewpoints. How the comics or my opinions might have aged, I have no idea.
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Post by brutalis on Mar 3, 2021 18:35:47 GMT -5
Only picked up new at the time: Boris the Bear, Miami Mice and Hamster Vice. Avoided most of those b/w parodies (for lack of a better term) as it seemed every week another new one came out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 21:48:03 GMT -5
In my Steve Engelhart Avengers read through, I'm getting close to the Avengers/Defenders War storyline. The Defenders side starts in Issue #8 of that title. Is it worth it or necessary to read the first 7 issues in a run-up to the crossover?
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 3, 2021 21:51:07 GMT -5
No. The Avengers issues start at 115 and the Defenders part ends with #11.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Mar 3, 2021 23:39:34 GMT -5
In my Steve Engelhart Avengers read through, I'm getting close to the Avengers/Defenders War storyline. The Defenders side starts in Issue #8 of that title. Is it worth it or necessary to read the first 7 issues in a run-up to the crossover? It's not necessary but I think it's definitely worth it. I really liked Englehart's run on Defenders, which starts with #1
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Post by zaku on Mar 9, 2021 7:46:09 GMT -5
Hi everyone!
Recently, on a forum where we are discussing the last episodes of Superman and Lois, someone wondered from when Kryptonians in the Arrowerse can hold their breath indefinitely in space, after they had showed in Supergirl they coundn't do it.
That sparked a discussion about the various depictions of Superman needing to breath. We remembered that after the post-Crisis reboot he could hold his breath just for a couple of hours, but now it seems he overcome this limitation.
So, from when the current Superman's incarnation can remain indefinitely in space? And what about his other depictions? Like che DCAU version? Someone said that he needed a suit to travel in space.
And, by the way, when exactly in the comics they showed that he can fly in space (considering that at the begin he could only leap)? In the Golden age he had any sort of limitation about holding his breath? And the first time he flew to another planet?
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