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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 30, 2020 10:51:09 GMT -5
Well, that makes sense. And did Junior show up again as one of the identities of Moon Knight? Nope, Moon Knight's identities were Marc Spector (his birth ID), Jake Lockley (cab driver), and Stephen Grant (millionaire playboy). I should've put this there. I fully expect that someday, if it hasn't happened yet, Junior Juniper will return as Kang or a Sentinel or one more avatar of The Ancient One.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 30, 2020 16:13:53 GMT -5
Claremont despoiled his own greatest story multiple times (did you see Professor X as Bald Phoenix in The Starjammers mini series, brown and gold costume and all? I am glad I didn't see it at the time myself). Although I would agree that Chris’s X-Men eventually jumped the shark, that terrible Bald Phoenix/Starjammers story was written, if I remember correctly, by Terry Kavanagh. Decent Cockrum art, though. (I think the plot involves a Phoenix-like force called... the Phalkon! Please, kill me now!)
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Post by chaykinstevens on Mar 30, 2020 18:08:21 GMT -5
Conway kills the Green goblin, J. Mark DeMatteis brings him back over 25 years later. I thought Howard Mackie was to blame for bringing him back, after about 23.5 years. JM DeMatteis killed Harry Osborn, however, and JM Straczynski brought him back.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 30, 2020 19:00:47 GMT -5
Just thought of this one... Was the gratuitously killed Mr. Teriffic (Earth-Two version) ever resurrected?
How about Larry Lance, who also died in an issue of JLA?
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Post by chadwilliam on Mar 30, 2020 19:55:18 GMT -5
Just thought of this one... Was the gratuitously killed Mr. Teriffic (Earth-Two version) ever resurrected? How about Larry Lance, who also died in an issue of JLA? Don't know about Larry Lance, but Mr. Terrific did come back briefly in The Spectre 54 (1997) as a spirit to gain closure on his death. I don't think I've ever read his death issue, but one of the complaints I've heard directed at it is that while the JSA vows to capture his killer, they never do. This issue ties up that loose end and as mentioned, Terry Sloane does come back long enough to help save the day.
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Post by beccabear67 on Mar 30, 2020 20:46:39 GMT -5
Claremont despoiled his own greatest story multiple times (did you see Professor X as Bald Phoenix in The Starjammers mini series, brown and gold costume and all? I am glad I didn't see it at the time myself). Although I would agree that Chris’s X-Men eventually jumped the shark, that terrible Bald Phoenix/Starjammers story was written, if I remember correctly, by Terry Kavanagh. Decent Cockrum art, though. (I think the plot involves a Phoenix-like force called... the Phalkon! Please, kill me now!) I liked the Starjammers comic otherwise; loved the domestic drama with the white furry alien and all those kids, although keystone cops otters (although explained) was a bit much... but Bald Phoenix was memorably awful and I apologize for trying to pin that one to Chris Claremont. My bad. I guess they brought up Bucky's death a lot with Captain America and even had Rick Jones put on the costume and take the name... equally tacky, and before Claremont.
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Post by Confessor on Mar 31, 2020 4:18:05 GMT -5
I thought Howard Mackie was to blame for bringing him back, after about 23.5 years. JM DeMatteis killed Harry Osborn, however, and JM Straczynski brought him back.I don't believe that this was JM Straczynski's idea though. It was an editorial edict from Joe Quesada, along with the erasing of Peter and MJ's marriage right at the end of Straczyski's run, in the infamous "One More Day" story arc. If memory serves, Harry Osborn is shown to be alive and well in the final few pages of Straczyski's last ever issue on Amazing Spider-Man.
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Post by berkley on Mar 31, 2020 20:24:43 GMT -5
Rogue Trooper questions:
I just finished the 2nd tales of Nu-Earth collection earlier this month. I'd like to read the rest of the Gerry Finley-Day stories and apparently they carry on into the 3rd volume, which, however, seems to be out of print and thus prohibitively over-priced. How are those later stories, the last few of Finley-Day's and then those written by others afterwards? What about vol. 4?
Also, anyone read any of the more recent spin-offs? I see there are several that came out in the 2000s and some sound interesting: The 86ers and Jaegir, for example, both written by Gordon rennie, whose work I'm not familiar with.
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Post by Farrar on Mar 31, 2020 21:13:28 GMT -5
...How about Larry Lance, who also died in an issue of JLA? Right! There was an Earth One Larry who popped up in Brave and the Bold #91 (and he died in that same story), but the Earth Two Larry who'd died a year earlier in JLA #74 has never been resurrected. Brave and the Bold #91 - love that Cardy art!
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Post by Farrar on Mar 31, 2020 21:25:23 GMT -5
In terms of characters who've stayed dead there's Dorma. I remember being shocked by this comic--the last minute rescue here was too little, too late. This was in 1971. She's stayed dead since then. A couple of decades later, in 1991, there are a few Namor the Sub-Mariner issues in which mad Atlantean geneticist Vyrra uses her body to create several mindless clones of her. Namor sees right away the clones weren't really Dorma, and he has the clones destroyed. Then in 1994, "Dorma" seemingly pops up in Namor the Sub-Mariner and forges an alliance with Llyra (an avowed enemy of Namor's, and the one who killed Dorma in Sub-Mariner #37)...but it's really Vyrra the geneticist--he's transferred his mind into a Dorma clone body he had handy. Llyra double-crosses and then kills Vyrra/"Dorma."
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Post by Calidore on Mar 31, 2020 23:15:26 GMT -5
Rogue Trooper questions: I just finished the 2nd tales of Nu-Earth collection earlier this month. I'd like to read the rest of the Gerry Finley-Day stories and apparently they carry on into the 3rd volume, which, however, seems to be out of print and thus prohibitively over-priced. How are those later stories, the last few of Finley-Day's and then those written by others afterwards? What about vol. 4? Also, anyone read any of the more recent spin-offs? I see there are several that came out in the 2000s and some sound interesting: The 86ers and Jaegir, for example, both written by Gordon rennie, whose work I'm not familiar with. I really need to dip into 2000 AD again. Your post reminds me that it's been quite a while.
I can't offer much about Finley-Day's stuff since I've never been a fan. I think the only Rogue Trooper story I've heard unconditional praise for is "Cinnabar" by John Smith.
As far as Gordon Rennie is concerned, I remember that Missionary Man didn't do much for me, but I liked Caballistics, Inc. For what that's worth.
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Post by berkley on Mar 31, 2020 23:32:21 GMT -5
Rogue Trooper questions: I just finished the 2nd tales of Nu-Earth collection earlier this month. I'd like to read the rest of the Gerry Finley-Day stories and apparently they carry on into the 3rd volume, which, however, seems to be out of print and thus prohibitively over-priced. How are those later stories, the last few of Finley-Day's and then those written by others afterwards? What about vol. 4? Also, anyone read any of the more recent spin-offs? I see there are several that came out in the 2000s and some sound interesting: The 86ers and Jaegir, for example, both written by Gordon rennie, whose work I'm not familiar with. I really need to dip into 2000 AD again. Your post reminds me that it's been quite a while.
I can't offer much about Finley-Day's stuff since I've never been a fan. I think the only Rogue Trooper story I've heard unconditional praise for is "Cinnabar" by John Smith.
As far as Gordon Rennie is concerned, I remember that Missionary Man didn't do much for me, but I liked Caballistics, Inc. For what that's worth.
Yeah, I've just started getting into some of it the last couple years or so. Here in Canada, I'm sorry to say, I didn't see it on the stands back in the 80s and the only character I heard about was Judge Dredd, who's never appealed to me that much. A few years ago I was idly thinking about trying some of the things I'd missed from the 80s and from the 2000 AD stuff settled on Rogue Trooper and Nemesis the Warlock, plus a few Alan Moore things like Future Shocks and Halo Jones. But as often happens, the more I got into it the more I found out about other 2000 AD series I'd like to try. But for now I'm sticking to the things I already have collections of on hand.
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Post by foxley on Apr 1, 2020 3:43:04 GMT -5
I just read The Further Adventures of Indiana Jones #14 from Marvel from 1984. The inking is credited to 'The Saint'. Does anyone know who this was?
Whoever it was, I have to say that their inking did absolutely no favours to David Mazzucchelli's pencils.
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Post by MWGallaher on Apr 1, 2020 9:49:18 GMT -5
I just read The Further Adventures of Indiana Jones #14 from Marvel from 1984. The inking is credited to 'The Saint'. Does anyone know who this was? Whoever it was, I have to say that their inking did absolutely no favours to David Mazzucchelli's pencils. Vince Colletta, certainly.
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Post by Calidore on Apr 1, 2020 11:02:54 GMT -5
I really need to dip into 2000 AD again. Your post reminds me that it's been quite a while.
I can't offer much about Finley-Day's stuff since I've never been a fan. I think the only Rogue Trooper story I've heard unconditional praise for is "Cinnabar" by John Smith.
As far as Gordon Rennie is concerned, I remember that Missionary Man didn't do much for me, but I liked Caballistics, Inc. For what that's worth.
Yeah, I've just started getting into some of it the last couple years or so. Here in Canada, I'm sorry to say, I didn't see it on the stands back in the 80s and the only character I heard about was Judge Dredd, who's never appealed to me that much. A few years ago I was idly thinking about trying some of the things I'd missed from the 80s and from the 2000 AD stuff settled on Rogue Trooper and Nemesis the Warlock, plus a few Alan Moore things like Future Shocks and Halo Jones. But as often happens, the more I got into it the more I found out about other 2000 AD series I'd like to try. But for now I'm sticking to the things I already have collections of on hand. Yeah, 43 years and 2100+ issues means quite a lot of material to choose from. My first exposure to 2000 AD was the Eagle comics reprints in the '80s. The covers to the Nemesis the Warlock miniseries, specifically. I had never seen art like that and was just blown away. Ditto Carlos Ezquerra on the Judge Dredd "Apocalypse War" story, which became my next purchase. I was pretty much hooked at that point and ended up buying all the various Eagle/Quality/Fleetway reprints as they came out. I think Judge Dredd works because he can be whatever the story needs--hero, villain, tweener, observer. There's a huge variety of story types. If you want to try a couple of his best, "Midnight Surfer" and "Graveyard Shift" are two classics (among many). If you have access to them, Nikolai Dante and Journal of Luke Kirby are a couple of personal favorite features that are also complete and fully collected.
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