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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 12:50:16 GMT -5
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Post by Confessor on Dec 6, 2015 20:34:43 GMT -5
Psylocke permanently changed race from Caucasian to Asian. I really, really hated that. She also basically got an entirely new personality, they might just as well have created a new character. I had absolutely no idea about this. I love this forum for teaching me things like this.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 21:00:55 GMT -5
I really, really hated that. She also basically got an entirely new personality, they might just as well have created a new character. I had absolutely no idea about this. I love this forum for teaching me things like this. This was Betsy Braddock before she became Ninja Betsy and changed personality completely.  |
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Post by tingramretro on Dec 7, 2015 2:10:45 GMT -5
I had absolutely no idea about this. I love this forum for teaching me things like this. This was Betsy Braddock before she became Ninja Betsy and changed personality completely. And this is Betsy back when she first appeared in 1976, before she began dying her hair purple.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 6:53:03 GMT -5
Classic, typical Marvel blonde. I prefer her with purple hair. I just don't much care for her personality as Ninja Betsy. |
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Post by tingramretro on Dec 7, 2015 7:51:51 GMT -5
Classic, typical Marvel blonde. I prefer her with purple hair. I just don't much care for her personality as Ninja Betsy. No, it's totally at odds with how she was written in both her early appearances and the Moore/Davis/Delano stories. She was already an ex charter pilot, former fashion model and sometime intelligence agent, why did she need to become a Ninja superhero, too? I think bringing Betsy into the X-Men's world was a mistake, really. It's not as though (despite her psychic abilities) she'd ever actually been confirmed to be a mutant in the Captain Britain stories! That term was never applied to her until New Mutants Annual #2, as far as I can recall. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 8:21:03 GMT -5
Classic, typical Marvel blonde. I prefer her with purple hair. I just don't much care for her personality as Ninja Betsy. No, it's totally at odds with how she was written in both her early appearances and the Moore/Davis/Delano stories. She was already an ex charter pilot, former fashion model and sometime intelligence agent, why did she need to become a Ninja superhero, too? I think bringing Betsy into the X-Men's world was a mistake, really. It's not as though (despite her psychic abilities) she'd ever actually been confirmed to be a mutant in the Captain Britain stories! That term was never applied to her until New Mutants Annual #2, as far as I can recall. Bringing a few characters into the X-Men world was a mistake. So, I totally agree. It seems that quite often, when a character is brought into the X-Men world, the writers write them in this X-Men theme that doesn't make sense for the character. They cram them into the X-Men world and write the character to fit into that world, and it doesn't usually work. So, they rewrite/recreate established characters and end up changing them completely. Or at least enough that by the time the run is done, you either want to pretend it never occurred, or it changes your opinion of the character. |
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Post by tingramretro on Dec 7, 2015 8:28:34 GMT -5
No, it's totally at odds with how she was written in both her early appearances and the Moore/Davis/Delano stories. She was already an ex charter pilot, former fashion model and sometime intelligence agent, why did she need to become a Ninja superhero, too? I think bringing Betsy into the X-Men's world was a mistake, really. It's not as though (despite her psychic abilities) she'd ever actually been confirmed to be a mutant in the Captain Britain stories! That term was never applied to her until New Mutants Annual #2, as far as I can recall. Bringing a few characters into the X-Men world was a mistake. So, I totally agree. It seems that quite often, when a character is brought into the X-Men world, the writers write them in this X-Men theme that doesn't make sense for the character. They cram them into the X-Men world and write the character to fit into that world, and it doesn't usually work. So, they rewrite/recreate established characters and end up changing them completely. Or at least enough that by the time the run is done, you either want to pretend it never occurred, or it changes your opinion of the character. Agreed, Dazzler was another one (OK, I know she debuted in Uncanny X-Men #130, but she was taken in a totally different direction in her solo title and various other appearances, only to be turned into a completely different-and weaker-character when Claremont made her a member). |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 7, 2015 9:24:09 GMT -5
It seems that quite often, when a character is brought into the X-Men world, the writers write them in this X-Men theme that doesn't make sense for the character. They cram them into the X-Men world and write the character to fit into that world, and it doesn't usually work. So, they rewrite/recreate established characters and end up changing them completely. Longshot certainly comes to mind! |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Dec 9, 2015 19:40:37 GMT -5
Is it just me or is Power Girl the most overly sexualized female superhero? Every newer cover seems content showcasing her umm...powerful girls. No complaints, as Hughes drew her beautifully on the main one that comes to mind but are her stories and character all fluff or is she interesting to read?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 22:42:26 GMT -5
on Psylocke front, I actually loved her as an X-man, and I even loved the costume with the purple butterfly effect.  tho I didn't care at all for the "armored" version:  it's been a LONG time since I've read the X-books (or any Marvel. . . tho I have TONS of trades I've bought over the years, for $5 a pop at Dragon*con, just stacked up waiting for me to have time (HA!) to read).. . but didn't they "explain" Betsy becoming Asian with: she swapped bodies with a nija-like assassin, (Betsy's mind, the other lady's body) and that's why she not only gained the extra ninja skills, but also became Asian? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 22:45:45 GMT -5
Is it just me or is Power Girl the most overly sexualized female superhero? Every newer cover seems content showcasing her umm...powerful girls. No complaints, as Hughes drew her beautifully on the main one that comes to mind but are her stories and character all fluff or is she interesting to read? she's VERY interesting to read. . Karen is a great character (particularly when done by Amanda Connor). she's always been large chested, and in the past 20 years or so, that became a "jokey" main trait of the character. as far as "most overly sexualized" female superhero? nope. . LOL. .I'd say that would go to: "Empowered"  or maybe, "the Pro"  |
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Post by spoon on Dec 9, 2015 23:42:41 GMT -5
No, it's totally at odds with how she was written in both her early appearances and the Moore/Davis/Delano stories. She was already an ex charter pilot, former fashion model and sometime intelligence agent, why did she need to become a Ninja superhero, too? I think bringing Betsy into the X-Men's world was a mistake, really. It's not as though (despite her psychic abilities) she'd ever actually been confirmed to be a mutant in the Captain Britain stories! That term was never applied to her until New Mutants Annual #2, as far as I can recall. Bringing a few characters into the X-Men world was a mistake. So, I totally agree. It seems that quite often, when a character is brought into the X-Men world, the writers write them in this X-Men theme that doesn't make sense for the character. They cram them into the X-Men world and write the character to fit into that world, and it doesn't usually work. So, they rewrite/recreate established characters and end up changing them completely. Or at least enough that by the time the run is done, you either want to pretend it never occurred, or it changes your opinion of the character. I think the only appearances of Betsy Braddock that I've read pre-dating New Mutants Annual #2 are some issues of the Captain Britain magazine drawn by Alan Davis, so I can't really saw I'm knowledgeable about her personality in Marvel UK. However, I do know that Chris Claremont wrote her first appearance, then her first U.S. Marvel appearance, then when she joined the X-Men, her transition to the armored look, and transformation into a ninja. The "recreation" of the character was done by her co-creator. As noted above, I do seem to recall that her power originally came from some source other than mutation. |
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Post by spoon on Dec 9, 2015 23:49:18 GMT -5
on Psylocke front, I actually loved her as an X-man, and I even loved the costume with the purple butterfly effect. tho I didn't care at all for the "armored" version: it's been a LONG time since I've read the X-books (or any Marvel. . . tho I have TONS of trades I've bought over the years, for $5 a pop at Dragon*con, just stacked up waiting for me to have time (HA!) to read).. . but didn't they "explain" Betsy becoming Asian with: she swapped bodies with a nija-like assassin, (Betsy's mind, the other lady's body) and that's why she not only gained the extra ninja skills, but also became Asian? The body-swapping was actually a retcon that was introduced a few years later. Originally, ninja Psylocke was the same person her mind and body were just transformed by surgery/magic/brainwashing/whatever. Someone must have disliked the "extreme makeover" idea, so they replaced it with the body-swapping story. By the way, where does that top right image of Psylocke come from? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 0:06:08 GMT -5
By the way, where does that top right image of Psylocke come from? It's fan art from L.Rey Arzeno on deviantart  These are the guys who should be drawing comics instead of Rob No Feet Liefeld. |
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