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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 2, 2015 5:36:21 GMT -5
One note, when we get around to the voting, it needs to be made clear that only pre-2005 output is considered. If you asked me now to vote my top 5, Image would be at or near the top, but if I am considering pre-2005 output only, they don't make my top 5, probably not my top 10. Many of the non-big 2 that have been around a while have undergone massive transformations in the last decade as the market has changed and the type of books they are putting out has changed Image is the poster child for that, but it's true of others as well. -M This would be similarly true for a company like Valiant, where their recent output is in an entirely different league than what they were doing in the '90s. Hey shax, do you mean that the Valiant stuff is better now or worse? |
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Post by shaxper on Jul 2, 2015 6:16:30 GMT -5
This would be similarly true for a company like Valiant, where their recent output is in an entirely different league than what they were doing in the '90s. Hey shax, do you mean that the Valiant stuff is better now or worse? Just that it's a different entity with a different energy. A lot of folks feel the new stuff is better. I see positives and negatives. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 2, 2015 15:18:19 GMT -5
Crestwood Publications. Home of Simon & Kirby's Young Romance & Black Magic. Dick Briefer's Frankenstein. A lot of fans refer to the company as Prize. That's how they're listed in the GCD: www.comics.org/publisher/102/Yeah. I'd never heard of "Crestwood" before. Is that like calling Marvel/Atlas Goodman Publications Group? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 18:44:10 GMT -5
Well, if we're going for completeness, ACG (Herbie!) and Claypool (Soulsearchers) should be on the list. Even though I seriously doubt that they'll get any votes.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 2, 2015 20:47:47 GMT -5
And for more completeness sake, and probably never getting votes, is Continuity Comics run by Neal Adams with titles like Ms Mystic, Echos of Futurepast, Megalith, Samuree, Skate Man, Armor and many others-all shipping late
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 3, 2015 0:40:19 GMT -5
When do we vote ?
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 3, 2015 0:54:39 GMT -5
Yeah, but they also had Elektra Assassin and a series of Tomb of Dracula under Epic, so I think it's better to leave them off, otherwise the differences between Epic and Vertigo would be getting arbitrary. I think Epic is more amorphous than Vertigo, but I leave it to the group to discuss. Should Big Two imprints be eligible? In my mind, Vertigo and Epic both had their own identities apart from the core Big Two, but I leave it to you folks to convince me either way on this. Sometimes publishers put a brand on their sublines. Marvel at times has tried to distinguish its Spider-universe and X-universe books. It also had its Max imprint. This is marketing. They're still Marvel comics. Vertigo comics are DC comics. You can tell because some DC comics got Vertigo stamped onto the trade collections or added to the title later in their series. It's a marketing brand, not another publisher. Vertigo off. Epic off. |
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Post by Paradox on Jul 3, 2015 0:54:46 GMT -5
I don't know about "best", but First was probably my favorite.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 3, 2015 8:19:27 GMT -5
I think Epic is more amorphous than Vertigo, but I leave it to the group to discuss. Should Big Two imprints be eligible? In my mind, Vertigo and Epic both had their own identities apart from the core Big Two, but I leave it to you folks to convince me either way on this. Sometimes publishers put a brand on their sublines. Marvel at times has tried to distinguish its Spider-universe and X-universe books. It also had its Max imprint. This is marketing. They're still Marvel comics. Vertigo comics are DC comics. You can tell because some DC comics got Vertigo stamped onto the trade collections or added to the title later in their series. It's a marketing brand, not another publisher. Those really aren't comparable examples, as Vertigo and Epic were not just marketing names for promoting titles that already existed within the core line-up and which followed the same editorial policies, existed within the same continuity, and manifested much the same tone as the titles from the core line. Even Swamp Thing, pre-Vertigo, was not anything close to a core DC title, even though it occasionally acknowledged core DC continuity. Again, the community seems to be in agreement that Epic and Vertigo should go, but I disagree with your argument here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:33:36 GMT -5
Was Epic 100% creator owned?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 15:04:51 GMT -5
Was Epic 100% creator owned? Yes and no. The stuff using Marvel characters (like Byrne's Last Galactus Story in Epic Illustrated and the Stan Lee Moebius Silver Surfer 2 issue mini) was not creator owned. Stuff like Dreadstar, Moonshadow, Starstruck etc. all was creator owned and some of it has been reprinted at other publishers since then. -M |
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 3, 2015 17:24:16 GMT -5
Sometimes publishers put a brand on their sublines. Marvel at times has tried to distinguish its Spider-universe and X-universe books. It also had its Max imprint. This is marketing. They're still Marvel comics. Vertigo comics are DC comics. You can tell because some DC comics got Vertigo stamped onto the trade collections or added to the title later in their series. It's a marketing brand, not another publisher. Those really aren't comparable examples, as Vertigo and Epic were not just marketing names for promoting titles that already existed within the core line-up and which followed the same editorial policies, existed within the same continuity, and manifested much the same tone as the titles from the core line. Even Swamp Thing, pre-Vertigo, was not anything close to a core DC title, even though it occasionally acknowledged core DC continuity. Again, the community seems to be in agreement that Epic and Vertigo should go, but I disagree with your argument here. The difference between not a "core title", whatever that means, and "not published by" seems large. The line between "not in continuity" and "not published by" also seems large. (Even though Swamp Thing and Sandman and Elektra and Hellblazer and etc are in continuity) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 19:22:03 GMT -5
Well, if we're going for completeness, ACG (Herbie!) and Claypool (Soulsearchers) should be on the list. Even though I seriously doubt that they'll get any votes. Actually, depending on how many publishers we are allowed to vote for, ACG might just get mine. Herbie's a freakin' classic, I liked Nemesis and Magicman, and I even enjoyed the horror anthologies. They had cool art, and a shared universe/mythology that set them apart and made them feel special. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 19:56:41 GMT -5
Vertigo is more than just marketing, and certainly more than just their old superhero titles rebooted for a new crowd. But I wouldn't include them anyway because their founding titles were all from the main DC imprint. Today's Vertigo is very different from the early days though, and it seems rare that something like Sandman or Unknown Soldier come out. More often than not they're the kind of titles that would put a publisher on this list.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jul 3, 2015 23:21:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure Archie captures the full glory that was MLJ. My preference would be two separate entries for MLJ and Archie. MLJ stood for vigorous heroes like The Shield and The Wizard, and violent heroes like The Black Hood and the dreaded Hangman. MLJ's stable of vigilantes held the line until the beloved antics of the Riverdale Gang took over. They deserve some credit for that, IMHO.  |
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