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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 29, 2021 22:54:38 GMT -5
Atomic Skull was a pre-Crisis Superman Villain... Interesting. That seems to be the fictional character this Atomic Skull is homaging. From what I see online, they had different alter egos. If memory serves, that was the gist of things. I had actually forgotten that the brought him back. Think he turned up in one of Roulette's underground fight events, either in the comics or the JLU cartoon.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 29, 2021 23:02:37 GMT -5
Jimmy references quite a few pop culture things in the Triangle Era, including some meta-stuff, like a Spin Doctors t-shirt, soon after the release of their big album, Pocket Full of Kryptonite, which included the song "Jimmy Olsen's Blues." He's been wearing a Van Halen jacket as of late, but hopefully he'll get more with the times soon. The Rondo shirt wasn't being worn by Jimmy though; just a guy who (for some reason) is drawn exactly like him.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 30, 2021 0:05:26 GMT -5
Rondo also turned up as the visual reference for a character in The Rocketeer Adventure Magazine, aka Cliff's New York Adventure. The character Lothar, in the Rocketeer film, was inspired by Hatton. The film came out in June, this comic in September. Jimmy references quite a few pop culture things in the Triangle Era, including some meta-stuff, like a Spin Doctors t-shirt, soon after the release of their big album, Pocket Full of Kryptonite, which included the song "Jimmy Olsen's Blues." I remember be thrilled to see that (being a Spin Doctors fan in high school). I think that was kinda Jimmy's role in this era, to be the relatable character, while Superman was a on the pedestal. Also, I despise the visual of red haired Lex. Van Halen IS with the times.. pretty sure this was around the time they did the Sammy Hagar thing, so they were definitely in heavy air play at the time. Edit: I guess it was a bit before this that happened, but the 2nd Hagar album was out in 1991, and wikipedia tells me they won a couple grammy in 1992 (when people still cared about such things)
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Post by shaxper on Jan 30, 2021 4:43:24 GMT -5
Rondo also turned up as the visual reference for a character in The Rocketeer Adventure Magazine, aka Cliff's New York Adventure. The character Lothar, in the Rocketeer film, was inspired by Hatton. The film came out in June, this comic in September. Jimmy references quite a few pop culture things in the Triangle Era, including some meta-stuff, like a Spin Doctors t-shirt, soon after the release of their big album, Pocket Full of Kryptonite, which included the song "Jimmy Olsen's Blues." I remember be thrilled to see that (being a Spin Doctors fan in high school). I think that was kinda Jimmy's role in this era, to be the relatable character, while Superman was a on the pedestal. Also, I despise the visual of red haired Lex. Van Halen IS with the times.. pretty sure this was around the time they did the Sammy Hagar thing, so they were definitely in heavy air play at the time. Edit: I guess it was a bit before this that happened, but the 2nd Hagar album was out in 1991, and wikipedia tells me they won a couple grammy in 1992 (when people still cared about such things) Yes, my bad for not realizing Unlawful Carnal Knowledge had already been released by June. Its hit single, "Right Now" dominated the charts. I'd thought the album had been released in 1992.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jan 30, 2021 7:59:46 GMT -5
Yes, my bad for not realizing Unlawful Carnal Knowledge had already been released by June. Its hit single, "Right Now" dominated the charts. I'd thought the album had been released in 1992. According to Wikipedia, the album's full dreadful title was For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, and Right Now only reached #55 in the Billboard Hot 100.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 30, 2021 8:20:27 GMT -5
Yes, my bad for not realizing Unlawful Carnal Knowledge had already been released by June. Its hit single, "Right Now" dominated the charts. I'd thought the album had been released in 1992. According to Wikipedia, the album's full dreadful title was For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, and Right Now only reached #55 in the Billboard Hot 100. Not to derail the thread but as a huge Van Halen fan I would like to post a correction... While the single didn't light the world on fire, much of that had to do with the fact that by the time the single for "Right Now" was released, the album had been out for a whole eight months so just about everyone who wanted to own it already did at that point. It's not my favorite album by any stretch but as a kid I did like the acronym the title formed and scrawled it endlessly on tests and homework.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 30, 2021 8:59:26 GMT -5
Yes, my bad for not realizing Unlawful Carnal Knowledge had already been released by June. Its hit single, "Right Now" dominated the charts. I'd thought the album had been released in 1992. According to Wikipedia, the album's full dreadful title was For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, and Right Now only reached #55 in the Billboard Hot 100. LOL yes, I sort of felt that the moderator in me should shorten the title It may have only made Billboard's #55, but I was an avid MTV fan, and it was in the top 3 on the countdown every week for what felt like a year.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 30, 2021 9:00:37 GMT -5
While the single didn't light the world on fire, much of that had to do with the fact that by the time the single for "Right Now" was released, the album had been out for a whole eight months so just about everyone who wanted to own it already did at that point. Ohhhhhhh, so that's why I thought it was released in '92. I can't say I care much for the song, and I have no idea what else is on the album, but I'm of the minority that believes Hagar was a vast improvement over Lee Roth.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 30, 2021 10:06:59 GMT -5
Superman: The Man of Steel #5 (November 1991) "The Curse of the Atomic Skull" Script: Louise Simonson Pencils: Curt Swan and Jon Bogdanove Inks: Dennis Janke Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: Bill Oakley Grade: C- The visual concept for this one is quite fun. The villain believes he is a hero in an old movie serial, so the book is published horizontally, with one side being what happens in the serial (drawn by Swan), and one side being what is actually happening in Superman's world (drawn by Bogdanove). It's quite visually striking: though it definitely wears thin as the story progresses. The movie serial is neither particularly compelling nor especially important to the plot, so I found myself speed-reading through it, just trying to get back to the main plot. Beyond the unique visuals, what becomes immediately apparent is that there was some sort of miscommunication in the DC Office this time around. This otherwise extremely tight-run office has been making blunders left and right in 1991, and the worst of them seem to happen with Simonson, the new guy (gal) on the block. This time around, she has a very different idea of what happened last week in Action Comics #670 than we do. We saw Superman first encounter The Atomic Skull at the very end of the issue. Simonson thinks they had a whole previous battle: In fact, Lois and the police seem to already know all about The Skull within seconds of their first (brief) encounter, once again reiterating the idea that there'd been some previous battle we never saw: Beyond that, Simonson falls into many of the same blunders I noted in her previous issue: 1. Laziness. The last bad guy she invented was a well-meaning guy named Joe who becomes radioactive at STAR Labs. This bad guy is a well-meaning guy named Joe whose powers first activate at STAR Labs. To make it worse, Action #670 explicitly told us that his powers come from his unique genetic make-up, but here Simonson has him radioactive too! 2. Pacing and over-explaining. Once again, ordinary, non-powered people are having complex thoughts about abstract problems when they should be panicking and wondering if they're about to die: 3. Convenience. This conflict should have been resolved in five seconds. Even Lois notes this: as does Superman: and increasingly stupid things have to happen to keep it going: The second fastest person in the DCU, possessing super fast mental processing, as well as super fast reflexes, as well as super hearing, can't stop in time to avoid hitting a truck he didn't see?? 4. Horrible logic lapses, especially involving radiation. In Simonson's last issue, Lois chose to get this close to a radioactive mutant whose radiation levels were posing a threat to the entire city without any medical repercussions whatsoever: This issue, she gets on a bike with a villain that Superman clearly notes was experiencing significant radioactive decay: and then Professor Hamilton goes on to haphazardly handle a nuclear control rod (which has presumably already absorbed radioactivity from whatever it was previously being used for) without a protective mask: which he immediately figured out would stop The Atomic Skull while inexplicably knowing the nature of his powers within (literally) seconds of Superman conveniently stumbling across him and the wreckage of STAR Labs while battling the Skull, AND Professor Hamilton knows exactly where to find a nuclear carbon rod amidst the wreckage: (Note: in all the cleanup we saw last week in Action #670 no one was wearing hazmat suits!) Finally, Superman's solution of bending the control rod around the Atomic Skull's head doesn't crush his skull in once his powers dissipate: ...and he somehow now has hair again. Don't try to tell me it was just a visual illusion or anything either. We literally saw his hair fall out in Action #670. At this point, I feel like Simonson is wasting my time. Whereas the other three Superman titles reward me for diligently paying attention to what they are doing, Simonson feels like the teacher who repeatedly forgets to prepare a lesson plan. Just sit there and nod; don't ask questions. As for Bogdanove, I have to admit his art improved dramatically this issue. In addition to these horrendous panels (cue that Benny Hill theme again): we get a few truly beautiful/striking ones as well, most memorably this: He seems to be having fun with the format of this particular issue. I hope to see more of this from him. Honestly, I can handle bad art, and I can handle bad writing, but getting both together on the first four issues of this title were soul-deadening. Simonson's writing may be getting worse, but at least the art is sometimes pleasing now. Important Details:In the letters page, Carlin finally provides his vision/explanation for the four inter-locking Superman titles functioning as one: I like it, and I mostly agree. (though I would caution him that the rise in sales is an artificial boost stemming from Man of Steel #1) Minor Details:1. Joe Martin, the Post-Crisis Atomic Skull, is cured by a nuclear control rod. 2. Nice homage to the Rocketeer, which had been in theaters only eight months earlier:
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 30, 2021 10:08:09 GMT -5
While the single didn't light the world on fire, much of that had to do with the fact that by the time the single for "Right Now" was released, the album had been out for a whole eight months so just about everyone who wanted to own it already did at that point. Ohhhhhhh, so that's why I thought it was released in '92. I can't say I care much for the song, and I have no idea what else is on the album, but I'm of the minority that believes Hagar was a vast improvement over Lee Roth. I'm the weird guy who likes both the Roth and Hagar years of Van Halen about equally...that said between the two I'd much rather go to a Hagar solo show( and I have!) than a Roth solo show.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 30, 2021 10:14:40 GMT -5
Superman: The Man of Steel #5 (November 1991) "The Curse of the Atomic Skull" Script: Louise Simonson Pencils: Curt Swan and Jon Bogdanove Inks: Dennis Janke Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: Bill Oakley Grade: C- I wrote extensively a while back about the unusual arrangement DC appeared to have with Curt Swan, finding odd writing chores for him on the Superman books that always felt forced/obligatory and always worked out to 2 pages per week. We haven't seen Swan on the Superman titles since his Sinbad Contract trilogy last year because he has gone on to get a regular gig drawing the non-continuity Superboy (1990) title. That title has now come to an end, and so Carlin appears to be finding creative ways to give Swan intermittent work in the Superman titles once again. The visual concept for this one is quite fun. The villain believes he is a hero in an old movie serial, so the book is published horizontally, with one side being what happens in the serial (drawn by Swan), and one side being what is actually happening in Superman's world (drawn by Bogdanove). It's quite visually striking: though it definitely wears thin as the story progresses. The movie serial is neither particularly compelling nor especially important to the plot, so I found myself speed-reading through it, just trying to get back to the main plot. Beyond the unique visuals, what becomes immediately apparent is that there was some sort of miscommunication in the DC Office this time around. This otherwise extremely tight-run office has been making blunders left and right in 1991, and the worst of them seem to happen with Simonson, the new guy (gal) on the block. This time around, she has a very different idea of what happened last week in Action Comics #670 than we do. We saw Superman first encounter The Atomic Skull at the very end of the issue. Simonson thinks they had a whole previous battle: Minor Details- Joe Martin, the Post-Crisis Atomic Skull, is cured by a nuclear control rod. - Nice homage to the Rocketeer, which had been in theaters only eight months ago: See, though it didn't relate to the story much at all the movie serial portion of the issue was always the part I focused on and would often find myself skipping the rest. The art style and the coloring are just way more appealing than anything going on in the actual story.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jan 30, 2021 11:31:44 GMT -5
I wrote extensively a while back about the unusual arrangement DC appeared to have with Curt Swan, finding odd writing chores for him on the Superman books that always felt forced/obligatory and always worked out to 2 pages per week. We haven't seen Swan on the Superman titles since his Sinbad Contract trilogy last year because he has gone on to get a regular gig drawing the non-continuity Superboy (1990) title. That title has now come to an end, and so Carlin appears to be finding creative ways to give Swan intermittent work in the Superman titles once again. I think you mean pencilling chores. Swan has done some post-Sinbad Superman work. He contributed to Superman 50, and the double-sized Action #667 and Adventures of Superman #480, which were published in the same month as Man of Steel #1.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 30, 2021 11:54:52 GMT -5
I wrote extensively a while back about the unusual arrangement DC appeared to have with Curt Swan, finding odd writing chores for him on the Superman books that always felt forced/obligatory and always worked out to 2 pages per week. We haven't seen Swan on the Superman titles since his Sinbad Contract trilogy last year because he has gone on to get a regular gig drawing the non-continuity Superboy (1990) title. That title has now come to an end, and so Carlin appears to be finding creative ways to give Swan intermittent work in the Superman titles once again. I think you mean pencilling chores. Swan has done some post-Sinbad Superman work. He contributed to Superman 50, and the double-sized Action #667 and Adventures of Superman #480, which were published in the same month as Man of Steel #1. As always, you are my best editor. Thanks. I'll make the necessary changes when I next have a free moment.
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Post by SJNeal on Jan 30, 2021 12:04:21 GMT -5
We, the minority, are correct. But back to Superman... Bogdanove's artwork makes my eyes bleed. It did then, it does now. As someone else mentioned, he seemed to kick it up a notch during the whole "Death/Funeral/Reign" arcs, where it was suddenly much more tolerable for some reason, but boy did that not last long...
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Post by Chris on Jan 30, 2021 14:26:59 GMT -5
Superman: The Man of Steel #5 (November 1991) "The Curse of the Atomic Skull" I remember buying this issue when it came out. This issue pretty much sums up why I was not really reading Superman comics at the time, even though Superman was my favorite character. For example, I rather liked the parallel stories idea. But while I was following the movie serial part of it just fine, the "real" story was constantly interrupted by endless tangents and digressions masquerading as character bits that distracted me at every turn, and added little to the story. You said it yourself with "ordinary, non-powered people are having complex thoughts about abstract problems when they should be panicking and wondering if they're about to die." But the bigger problem is this - to me, most of the triangle era comics were, not bad necessarily, but completely and relentlessly bland. The version of the Atomic Skull presented here epitomizes this. There's nothing wrong with the concept, and they even get some good mileage out of it. But it's not really executed that well, and after one story, it's pretty much done, and any further uses of the character reduce the Skull to villain of the month. The original concept for the character was much more interesting - Here is a supervillain with a superpower that only activates randomly, is killing him in the process, and Superman removed the only people who could cure him. Now we're talking. It really lives up to the billing of "Man with the Self-Destruct Mind." Now that's a tag line! Now, it can be argued that this concept has a limited shelf life too, and there's merit to that. Even the comics had to acknowledge that eventually by giving him some gizmo that regulates his power so he could keep appearing instead of being killed off. But even at that point, he still had motivation by wanting revenge on S.T.A.R. Labs, as well as building and running his own criminal enterprise, SKULL. So there's material to be mined there, even after he is no longer being killed by his own brain. But that version of the Skull wouldn't fit into the revamped Superman continuity, one might argue. Okay, I can see that. Not quite two years before this comic was published, another version of the Atomic Skull appeared, this time in Captain Atom. Like the version we see in MOS #5, this Skull had some, shall we say, alternative views on reality. One more rather bizarre image under the cut - {Spoiler: Click to show} Now that's a intriguing, and perhaps slightly disturbing, character. What is this philosophy of half-life he keeps going on about? How did he get like this? And he is so unfailingly polite and even cheerful most of the time, even when being attacked. "Hey, just let me steal this radium, and I'll be right out of your way, so sorry, cheerio mate!" Other notes: "Just sit there and nod; don't ask questions," as you wrote, is a very apt summation of a lot of the triangle era comics in general, and the Superman: the Man Of Steel comics in particular. Keep in mind, I did like some of the comics being produced at the time. I probably would have picked up more of them had money allowed for it. I should also mention that they are far better than anything I've seen since. Mostly, there just seems to be so much unrealized potential. And that's not counting the truckloads of cool stuff that got thrown away with the revamp. As far as the art goes, I always liked seeing Curt Swan pop up. I thought Dennis Janke did a pretty good job inking Swan's pencils. As for Bogdanove, his art could really be hit and miss – when he missed, it was atrocious, but when he hit, it was great.
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