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Post by shaxper on Aug 17, 2020 9:02:44 GMT -5
Superman #58 (August 1991) "Fangs of the Bloodhounds" Script: Dan Jurgens Pencils: Dan Jurgens (layouts); Brett Breeding (finishes) Inks: Brett Breeding Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: John Costanza Grade: D+ Apparently, Ordway isn't the only one moving off of pencilling duties in order to focus more on writing. While Jurgens is still providing breakdowns, it looks like he'll now have someone else finishing his art for a long while to come while he starts giving his primary attention to writing. Unfortunately, while I love Jurgens' energy, his writing is still clunky at this point. Let's start with the basic premise, espoused by the thoroughly lackluster cover he himself drew -- let's introduce an exciting new team of characters, except they don't play a key role in the plot, we never learn their powers, and they don't even exhibit any real personalities. One of them keeps saying he can't wait to take down Superman, and then also keeps saying he can't believe they have to take down Superman. That's really all we get. And then there are the logic gaps: so the director of Project Cadmus wants Superman brought in so that Dubblex (a mind-reader, for those that don't know) can probe his brain, transfer everything Superman has ever known or thought into a computer for analysis, and Cadmus can then determine how to take Superman down if he ever becomes a threat again (referencing the now three-year-old Gangbuster incident, as well as the original Krypton Man saga from a a year and a half earlier). Dubblex and The Guardian are morally opposed to this and so pretend to help while actually planning to help Superman escape. So then why does Dubblex actually probe his mind and explore his deepest/darkest secrets? Wasn't the entire point NOT to do that? So much of the dialogue is stilted and unnatural too. Like this relevation/twist that came out of absolutely nowhere because we've never spent even a panel on the director of Cadmus' personality, beliefs, nor backstory ever before in these pages: GREAT idea, horrendous execution. Oh, and the way in which The Bloodhounds even took down Superman was absurd: You have seconds to take down a man who moves faster than the eye can see when he's already seen the guy he's fighting signal for backup? So they're going to climb up those ropes in mere seconds WITHOUT Superman's super-hearing picking any of that up? Oh, wait... Because of course Clark would be both stupid enough not to realize what that signal was and lazy enough not to be paying attention to his surroundings long enough for these guys to sneak up behind him. Oh, and for some reason, Jurgens (whose art I generally really like) is trying to be a little more Liefeld in this issue. Just look at this character design: or Dubblex pulling a "Cable": even though Dubblex proves to be totally benign in this story, so why the sinister visual foreshadowing? Because it looked cool, I guess. At least this moment in the issue amused me: although I really don't think Jurgens grasps this super-speed thing. If Clark is moving fast enough that Foswell can't see him right there, kissing Lois, then there is no way he could have slowed down the speed of his kiss enough to not go right through Lois' cheek and skull. Important Details:- Apparently, Superman's aura can be traced and is inexplicably linked to his other powers: The original concept behind the Post-Crisis Superman's powers was that, "his abilities are enhanced versions of human abilities. Just think of anything you can do. magnify it to the Nth degree -- and that's how well Superman does it" (Andy Helfer), and his aura of invulnerability was based upon something humans do electromagnetically, so why would that be connected to his other exaggerated human powers? Of course, heat vision isn't really an exaggeration of something humans do, I suppose. Minor Details:- We're getting some really mixed signals about how time is now working in the Superman Office. We've seen several recent references suggesting Superman's stories are flowing in realtime, where a month here is a month there, most recently when, in Superman Annual #3 (also written by Jurgens), Waverider saw that Superman would be fighting Brainiac a year from now (Panic in the Sky is a year away). This makes sense for a franchise that's getting a book out every week of the year, but this scene below utterly confuses me, then: As mentioned earlier, the "ordeal" Guardian is discussing, which he says happened a few months back, occurred three years ago in realtime. And what Westfield goes on to describe as having occurred "last week," happened a month ago: So does three to four days in our world equal one in theirs, or are they writing in realtime? Jurgens doesn't seem to know. Final thought; this office was in such a stronger place a year ago. Maybe these are just growing pains--Jurgens will come into his own as a writer, Louise Simonson will get better alignment with the other writers and titles, Jon Bogdanove will get less terrible on Man of Steel, and all that will really be lost is Kerry Gammill's covers. But, for the moment, I'm not feeling great about this Office anymore, and I'm wondering if brutalis and I made the right call back in 1991, jumping ship when we did.
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Post by brutalis on Aug 17, 2020 10:38:22 GMT -5
I was flipping through issues at the LCS but there was really nothing I would see there to pull me back in. Writing or art seemed more rushed, less cohesive and in many cases downright ugly or amateurish in execution.
Take Shax note about being "invisible" due to superspeed. I might believe it outside in the open vastness of the city, but in a small and enclosed business office all the staff, papers/supplies, cubicles and stuff would be torn apart as if a cyclone struck inside. Better to have utilized super fast bodily vibrations (still a bit absurd) as a more viable invisibility reason.
And how do you track an aura? Wouldn't this also mean that you could/would know Superman is Clark Kent? Writing is now going backwards to treating Supe's as a children's comic with no thought or reason to explaining things other than saying it's all part of his abilities as a visitor from another planet. He/they can do it because the story requires it.
No thanks. Still passing it by...
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Post by shaxper on Aug 17, 2020 12:34:14 GMT -5
I was flipping through issues at the LCS but there was really nothing I would see there to pull me back in. Writing or art seemed more rushed, less cohesive and in many cases downright ugly or amateurish in execution. Take Shax note about being "invisible" due to superspeed. I might believe it outside in the open vastness of the city, but in a small and enclosed business office all the staff, papers/supplies, cubicles and stuff would be torn apart as if a cyclone struck inside. Better to have utilized super fast bodily vibrations (still a bit absurd) as a more viable invisibility reason. And how do you track an aura? Wouldn't this also mean that you could/would know Superman is Clark Kent? Writing is now going backwards to treating Supe's as a children's comic with no thought or reason to explaining things other than saying it's all part of his abilities as a visitor from another planet. He/they can do it because the story requires it. No thanks. Still passing it by... Yeah, I'm really struggling with this, and I don't understand it either. They gave such stunning attention to detail and realism last year, and ever since the Time and Time Again event, the Office has felt rushed and sloppy. I get it -- Armageddon 2001 and Man of Steel #1 hit around the same and left this office overtaxed, but we are a month past both events now.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 18, 2020 8:15:54 GMT -5
More than anything else, it boggles my mind how badly DC is missing the point that people are attracted by covers. The top selling books from Marvel right now all have covers that immediately demand your attention - Lee, Perez, McFarlane, (sigh) even Liefeld. Whether the art was good or bad, it was larger than life. You had to look. The Superman Office has one cover artist knocking this out of the ballpark, Kerry Gammill, and Marvel just snatched him up.
Meanwhile, no one who wasn't already reading Superman was going to pick up this book because of its cover.
Who runs with their arms lazily extended forward?
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 18, 2020 15:03:52 GMT -5
The Superman Office has one cover artist knocking this out of the ballpark, Kerry Gammill, and Marvel just snatched him up. If Marvel snatched Gammill up, they did little with him. I think his only Marvel credits in 1991 were pencilling part of the first two issues (but not the covers) of Deadly Foes of Spider-Man, published at about the same time as Superman For Earth. Perhaps Gammill disliked working with Danny Fingeroth or taking second billing to Al Milgrom, as he continued to work for DC on a Hawk and Dove Annual and the New Titans.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 18, 2020 15:10:54 GMT -5
The Superman Office has one cover artist knocking this out of the ballpark, Kerry Gammill, and Marvel just snatched him up. If Marvel snatched Gammill up, they did little with him. I think his only Marvel credits in 1991 were pencilling part of the first two issues (but not the covers) of Deadly Foes of Spider-Man, published at about the same time as Superman For Earth. Perhaps Gammill disliked working with Danny Fingeroth or taking second billing to Al Milgrom, as he continued to work for DC on a Hawk and Dove Annual and the New Titans. Help me out with the timeline here. Did he go to Marvel and come back, or was he freelancing for both and simply no longer working on Action Comics? I don't find it hard to believe that Marvel didn't have all that much use for him. They had a handful of artists who had attained cult status and came with a built-in readership regardless do what title they moved to. And those artists had friends coming up at Marvel too. Regardless of how good his work was, Kerry Gammill wasn't one of them.
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Post by MDG on Aug 18, 2020 15:27:41 GMT -5
If Marvel snatched Gammill up, they did little with him. I think his only Marvel credits in 1991 were pencilling part of the first two issues (but not the covers) of Deadly Foes of Spider-Man, published at about the same time as Superman For Earth. Perhaps Gammill disliked working with Danny Fingeroth or taking second billing to Al Milgrom, as he continued to work for DC on a Hawk and Dove Annual and the New Titans. Help me out with the timeline here. Did he go to Marvel and come back, or was he freelancing for both and simply no longer working on Action Comics? I think Gammill was more interested in monster art and projects than superheroes, and that's where he's been doing things. He used to have an online monster mag that is still up, though I don't think there's been a new issue for years.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 18, 2020 16:23:10 GMT -5
Help me out with the timeline here. Did he go to Marvel and come back, or was he freelancing for both and simply no longer working on Action Comics? I think Gammill was more interested in monster art and projects than superheroes, and that's where he's been doing things. He used to have an online monster mag that is still up, though I don't think there's been a new issue for years. Oh wow do I need to check this out. Thank you!
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 18, 2020 16:24:22 GMT -5
Help me out with the timeline here. Did he go to Marvel and come back, or was he freelancing for both and simply no longer working on Action Comics? Deadly Foes of Spider-Man was said to have been commissioned as a Marvel Comics Presents serial about two and a half years before it saw print as a limited series. Gammill's portions of the first two issues may pre-date his work on Superman, with Al Milgrom's portions being drawn later.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 18, 2020 17:39:42 GMT -5
Help me out with the timeline here. Did he go to Marvel and come back, or was he freelancing for both and simply no longer working on Action Comics? Deadly Foes of Spider-Man was said to have been commissioned as a Marvel Comics Presents serial about two and a half years before it saw print as a limited series. Gammill's portions of the first two issues may pre-date his work on Superman, with Al Milgrom's portions being drawn later. Thanks for the clarification!
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Post by shaxper on Aug 19, 2020 8:32:30 GMT -5
I think Gammill was more interested in monster art and projects than superheroes, and that's where he's been doing things. I've been giving this comment a lot more thought. In hindsight, all of my absolute favorite Gammill covers have a sense of horror attached to them, or at least feel inspired by the horror genre: And I may have solved the mystery of where Gammill disappeared to in 1991, since he does return to the Superman titles in 1993. His daughter, Kathryn, was born in 1992, so perhaps Gammill was giving his full attention to raising his two other children while his spouse was pregnant and (eventually) caring for a newborn, just working on the occasional DC annual instead of being attached to a regular deadline. Meanwhile, I checked out Monster Kid, and I am so disappointed to see there are no Kerry Gammill comics within. The discussion forum attached to it looks pretty inviting, though. I happen to LOVE classic horror.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 20, 2020 11:36:29 GMT -5
Here we are, speaking of Kerry Gammill, and this pops up on one of the many Golden Age Horror facebook pages I'm a member of today: Kerry Gammill...drawing Bela Lugosi. Life is good.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 20, 2020 13:11:15 GMT -5
Adventures of Superman #481 (August 1991) "The Big Drain!" Script: Jerry Ordway Pencils: Tom Grummett Inks: Doug Hazlewood Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: Albert DeGuzman Grade: B+ I swear, I've seen this cover somewhere before. I think I read a backstory about a ghost train that visually resembled this in Haunt of Horror back in the day, but I also feel like there was a Wrightson or Wrightson-esq cover that looked like this, maybe for House of Mystery or House of Secrets? Anyway, Tom Grummett's first solo pencilling gig for this office does not disappoint: Perhaps more importantly, the Superman Office has now spent 8 months and 25 issues struggling to find a worthwhile villain for Superman now that Luthor is "dead". We've tried Mr. Z, Terra Man, The Toy Man, Thaddeus Killgrave, Silver Banshee, The Linear Man, Baron Sunday, Cerberus, and The Eradicator, but Killgrave and The Toyman have been the only ones that proved at all memorable. Finally, finally, we've got new hope with Parasite, a classic Superman villain that hasn't wandered into this Post-Crisis office until now. Not only are his powers a significant threat to Superman, but his characterization is rich and memorable, whether he's being deliciously creepy: a disturbed (if somewhat endearing) simpleton: or just plain gross: This character has serious potential as a regular Superman nemesis. I hope Stern and Jurgens can use him as well as Ordway does here. This issue also seeks to repair the poor inter-title alignment that we've been seeing as of late, acknowledging the devastation that Cerberus has caused for Metropolis (Cerberus has never been acknowledged outside of the Man of Steel title until now!) while acknowledging the recent toll The Eradicator has taken on Metropolis as well. It's a much needed complete picture of the beatings Metropolis has been taking in the past two months, all while crime is up and employment is down in the wake of Luthor's death. Metropolis is a scary place to be right now. This little exchange also resolves the ridiculous coincidence of the Whites and the Kents ending up across the hall from each other on the very same cruise ship. Now, apparently, it was planned from the very start. And, as a more minor (but important) point, we are learning how this power couple does breakfast in the age of '90s feminism. No, Lois does not cook for them both; they take breakfast together at Dooley's. I guess this also further emphasizes both how busy they are as working professionals (no time to cook) and that they are successful enough that they can afford to eat out three meals a day. Anyway, while Metropolis grows darker, these titles themselves remain bright and full of hope. I love that Superman remains a thinking superhero more committed to the public good than vengeance and punching, as this issue gives considerable attention to Clark ensuring that his underground battle with Parasite won't hurt the structural integrity of the subway tunnels: What other superhero title concerns itself with issues of collateral damage? Well, Damage Control, I guess... I also continue to love the familiar, reassuring elements of the Daily Planet that keep getting inserted into these titles. The letting go of a significant portion of the Daily Planet staff has not gone forgotten a month later. Those characters are made to feel important to us; the Daily Planet staff grieves for them as any tight knit group of colleagues would. And further reinforcing this sense of closeness is the return of Dooley's Pub and its concerned/involved proprietor, Kevin Dooley: It took me several months, but I finally figured out what Dooley's reminds me of. It's easy to draw a comparison to Cheers, the most famous fictional bar in American culture, but that was a place for middle-class drunks to waste their lives away. This is a higher class bar where upscale professionals let down their hair at the end of the day and grow closer together. The place this reminds me of is Phil's, from the (then) hit TV show Murphy Brown, on it's fourth hit season at the time of this issue's publication: I strongly suspect this was the inspiration for Dooley's. After all, Murphy Brown and her colleagues were the big hitters at a premiere news organization too, and while the show isn't really talked about today, it was huge in 1991. Important Details:- First meeting of Superman and Parasite in the Post-Crisis. Parasite has absorbed some of Superman's memories and may know his secret identity. - Ronald Troupe, first introduced as "Ron" last issue, finally gets a full name and earns the assistant job at Newstime Magazine that Jimmy Olsen was applying for. Strong foreshadowing that he will ultimately help the magazine's owner, Collin Thornton, in his bid for mayor. I'm still not sure why Ordway is giving him so much attention, though, and inviting us to care about what happens to him. - I'd been noting lately that "Time and Time Again" made the overt point that Superman's costume had been turned "jet black" and yet all the artists and colorists seemed to have forgotten about this. The letter column for this issue explains that his costume just sort of reverted back to its original colors. Apparently, the edgier look they were going for, perhaps more in-line with Batman's image, while Metropolis became more Gotham-like, has been discarded. Minor Details:- Ordway is actually making me feel for Sam Foswell. I love it: - Lana moves across the country for Pete Ross, but they're still living in separate apartments, Pete inviting her over for occasional dates? Does Lana Lang have any self-respect at all? And how is she going to pay DC rent by herself? Does she even have a job lined up? Overall a MUCH better story that feels in keeping with what this title was before everything went awry a few months back. Hopefully, this is a sign that all the titles will be finding their footing again and that it won't just be Ordway keeping the office afloat.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 21, 2020 7:44:39 GMT -5
Adventures of Superman #481 (August 1991) "The Big Drain!" Script: Jerry Ordway Pencils: Tom Grummett Inks: Doug Hazlewood Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: Albert DeGuzman Grade: B+ I swear, I've seen this cover somewhere before. I think I read a backstory about a ghost train that visually resembled this in Haunt of Horror back in the day, but I also feel like there was a Wrightson or Wrightson-esq cover that looked like this, maybe for House of Mystery or House of Secrets? Well, I've spent the morning searching, and I can find neither the cover nor the story I spoke of in this review. Perhaps I imagined it all?
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Post by MDG on Aug 21, 2020 8:12:24 GMT -5
Adventures of Superman #481 (August 1991) "The Big Drain!" Script: Jerry Ordway Pencils: Tom Grummett Inks: Doug Hazlewood Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: Albert DeGuzman Grade: B+ I swear, I've seen this cover somewhere before. I think I read a backstory about a ghost train that visually resembled this in Haunt of Horror back in the day, but I also feel like there was a Wrightson or Wrightson-esq cover that looked like this, maybe for House of Mystery or House of Secrets? Well, I've spent the morning searching, and I can find neither the cover nor the story I spoke of in this review. Perhaps I imagined it all? Is this what you mean?
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