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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 20, 2020 10:18:53 GMT -5
Huh! What a cool resource and what a great head's up - Thanks Zaku! You're welcome. By they way, I read the article and it's absolutely bonkers! They say modern comics are inaccessible for new readers, but it seems that Legion stories between Crisis and the post Zero Hour reboot are convoluted madness... I can understand why readers were so frustrated. ETA: reading that piece more carefully, it seems that there were TWO Pocket Universe Superboys (both erased from existence), the second one created by Glorith! Can you confirm that??? Unfortunately, my familiarity with Byrne's pocket universe is limited to those issues of Superman/Action/Adventures in which it appeared. No idea why they would even need a second one which sounds bizarre.
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Post by zaku on Jul 20, 2020 12:10:17 GMT -5
You're welcome. By they way, I read the article and it's absolutely bonkers! They say modern comics are inaccessible for new readers, but it seems that Legion stories between Crisis and the post Zero Hour reboot are convoluted madness... I can understand why readers were so frustrated. ETA: reading that piece more carefully, it seems that there were TWO Pocket Universe Superboys (both erased from existence), the second one created by Glorith! Can you confirm that??? Unfortunately, my familiarity with Byrne's pocket universe is limited to those issues of Superman/Action/Adventures in which it appeared. No idea why they would even need a second one which sounds bizarre. So, what I can understand: - The first Pocket Universe Superboy was created by the Time Trapper
- Mon-El destroys the Time Trapper, erasing him from the existence and from any moment in the time stream
- Without the Time Trapper, no Pocket Universe - so Superboy and no Legion!
- Mordru became the Emperor of the Universe because in the new timeline there was no Legion to stop him
- Glorith takes the place of the Time Trapper, restarting the time line. But this time the Legion's inspiration was Lar Gand - Valor (the real name of Mon-El) who stated his superheroistic adventure in the 20th century
- But Glorith realizes that without Superboy there would be too much alterations to the 20th History (especially Superman, if not for his encounter with the three Pocket Universe Kryptonian villains, he would never have exiled himself into space) so she recreate the Pocket Universe and Superboy
- This version of Superboy reappears briefly for a last fight, then he is definitely erased from existence following Zero Hour
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Post by Duragizer on Jul 20, 2020 20:46:57 GMT -5
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Post by shaxper on Jul 21, 2020 8:44:44 GMT -5
Action Comics #665 "Wake The Dead" Script: Roger Stern Pencils: Tom Grummett Inks: Jose Marzan Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: Bill Oakley Grade: A- In a year without Lex Luthor, and in which Brainiac is in an editorial no-man's land between this and the Legion Office, Carlin and the gang continue to exhibit desperation in attempting to build an actual rogues gallery. We've already seen the return of C-listers Blaze, Silver Banshee, Thaddeus Killgrave, the Toyman, and Sleeze, and even Metallo (who died in his very first appearance 4.5 years earlier) gets referenced here: The Superman Office has been trying to make us care about Mr. Z, and here we've got the return of forgotten one-note villain Baron Sunday. Man, is this office desperate. Here, Stern clarifies the nature of Sunday's powers a bit, seeming to think that attributing his powers to Voodoo is a little far-fetched: By the end of the issue, the Baron is comatose, but that never means very much in the comic book world: But really, it's seldom the villains and A plots that impress me about this office. Instead, Stern (who, I think, is becoming my absolute favorite writer in this office) serves up an issue that establishes a new normal for Clark and Lois, post-engagement. For one, Lois seems to be over her previous confused feelings about Clark's dual identity: But, more importantly, I've lamented all along how fast-tracked this relationship was; that we never really got to see the two as a couple. Stern makes up for that in spades this time, giving far more of the issue to Clark and Lois' new working relationship than to Baron Sunday, and it's endearing -- hardly just the, "I love you!" "I love you too!" nonsense you'd expect from a more hollow romantic story: Their small talk feels real, even abruptly discussing what Clark is going to get his parents for their anniversary: And Clark has now conveniently been handed back his full time job (which he lost during the Day of the Krypton Man storyline a year earlier) allowing the two to work as peers, even while Clark allows Lois her pick of assignments. I suppose this could be because he loves her or because he is a gentleman, but I read it as a reminder that she is the senior writer. She was there first, she's taken more risks and gotten bigger stories, and he was just de-demoted. Clark may be Superman, but in the newsroom, Lois is the superhero. It's an idea that will strongly influence the upcoming Lois & Clark television series, a show that was disastrously bad in its portrayal of Superman, but which may well have been the finest portrayal ever of the Daily Planet newsroom, as well as the complex power dynamics of the relationship between an empowered Lois Lane and a demur Man of Steel. Anyway, the one interaction between Clark and Lois that I didn't quite buy in this story occurred here: How is Lois physically capable of giving Superman a neck massage? But Stern seems very devoted to prioritizing the Clark and Lois relationship for once, so perhaps we can forgive his forgetting that Clark is the Man of Steel for a moment. After all, I LOVED this decision he makes later in the story: Surely, we expect SUPERMAN to appear in the next image, but no: He can be impressive and resourceful as Clark Kent, as well. REALLY, it feels like most of this issue is actually a sort of anti-Superman story, finding far more excitement and interpersonal dynamics in the lives of two top reporters in love, the super powered dude in spandex almost appearing as an after-thought. And, honestly, that's how I like my Superman stories best. Minor Details:- Confirmed that the events of Time and Time Again only lasted a few hours And, while I found that timeline problematic in my reviews of those issues, I find Clark's statement that nearly five months passed for him to be even more of a problem. Let's break it down: Adventures of Superman #476: Spends maybe 20 minutes in the 30th Century. Action Comics #663: Definitely spends at least a few weeks in the 1940s, performing as a strong man in the circus. Visits multiple cities and is held over in one for an additional week. Superman #54: Seemed to take place in a single 24 hour span, though I suppose it might have been a few days weaved together. Adventures of Superman #477 seemed to last less than a day. Action Comics #664 lasted six weeks, according to Clark. Superman #55 appeared to last less than a day. Adventures of Superman #478 definitely lasted less than a day. So unless Clark spent three and a half months performing as a Strong Man in 1943 (unlikely, as he recovers from the daze of time travel at the end of his stint with the circus -- would this really take 3.5 months??), the timeline does not add up. Maybe he's exaggerating, as we often do while whining to our significant others? - Sam Foswell is still running The Planet while Perry White is away.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 24, 2020 18:16:27 GMT -5
I've decided I was overly simplistic in my "Catching Up with the Post-Crisis Superman: Where To Start"?, so what follows is version 2.0...
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Post by shaxper on Jul 24, 2020 18:56:21 GMT -5
Catching up with Superman in the Post-Crisis Era -- Where to Start?version 2.0 Okay, so you've heard enough about this era of Superman to have a passing interest, but there are already nearly 200 issues reviewed in this thread, and that's got to seem overwhelming to the newcomer, so here are some ideas on how to approach this series without reading EVERYTHING: 1. ALMOST Everything (skips 43 issues) A die-hard purist who doesn't want to miss anything at all can start at the beginning and still absolutely skip Action Comics Weekly #601-642. This was a short-lived experiment in which Superman shared the title with a number of unrelated rotating features, and his 2 page adventures during this time were entirely separate from the rest of the Post-Crisis continuity. Very forgettable story-telling all around, and while aspects of it do get referenced waaaay down the line, it's a minor nod and not much more. 2. Everything That Matters Even Slightly (skips 54 issues) A fan who really wants to read everything that matters could absolutely get away with skipping Action Comics #584-590, 594, and 597-599 in addition to 601-642, as they were mostly forgettable Superman team-up stories. While there are certainly more forgettable stories in Superman's continuity than this, most at least develop something meaningful in the background. Action Comics, on the other hand, was a truly ancilary title until #643, with only a few scattered issues actually accomplishing anything memorable (and, in the case of # 592- 593, something so bad that it's infamous). 3. The Best of Byrne, and Beyond (skips 116 issues) Read Man of Steel #1-6 and then fast forward to Superman #21, skipping World of Metropolis and Action Comics Weekly. Byrne was at his best at the very beginning and very end of his stint in the Superman Office. Obviously, you'll miss some critical points of continuity, but you'll skip the truly bad stuff and arrive in time for Matrix Supergirl and Pocket Universe Superboy, as well as the events of Superman #22. Be forewarned, though -- Once Byrne leaves, the Superman Office sort of drifts endlessly for a very long while before finding its center again. If you start to lose patience with it, skip ahead to Action Comics #643. 4. Who Needs Byrne? Let's Skip To The Good Stuff! (skips 158 issues): Beginning with Action Comics #647 skips over Byrne, skips the drawn-out storylines that followed as the Superman office sought to clean up unresolved plot lines and find new direction after Byrne left unexpectedly, and arrives in time for some key points of continuity just before Stern, Ordway, and Jurgens begin driving the office and steering it into the "Triangle Era". You get The Brainiac Trilogy, the beloved "Homeless for the Holidays," and the race between Superman and Wally West before delving into Day of the Krypton Man, Dark Knight Over Metropolis, the introduction of Hank Henshaw, the engagement of Clark and Lois, and the death of Lex Luthor. There will definitely be some continuity and character introduction that you will have missed out on, but it shouldn't be too hard to catch up on who Maxima, Draaga, Jose Delgado, and Bibbo Bibbowski are. When I inevitably return to re-read this run, this is where I will likely start. "Wait -- but doesn't that mean skipping the John Byrne era? I heard his work on Superman was great."I answer that here. 5. Yes, You Can Skip Even More (skips 171 issues) Someone looking for the quickest, cheapest way to get caught up on the best parts of this era while cutting out the filler could begin with Adventures of Superman #466. You'll miss a lot of continuity that gets referenced later on, but most of it isn't really necessary for understanding where the series is headed. Adventures #466 is the precise moment that Stern, Ordway, and Jurgens really come into their own, having completed Perez's (forgettable) plot points for the franchise, and having fixed every misstep and lingering point of continuity that Byrne left behind. The Superman Office finally begins to find its center, and you're just in time for the first appearance of Hank Henshaw, the beginning of the Post-Crisis Clark and Lois romance, and the critical Dark Knight over Metropolis storyline, with major developments for the White Family, Lex Luthor, and Lois and Clark just on the horizon. You might go back a little bit to check out Lex Luthor: The Unauthorized Biography as well. You're still shaving off 171 issues of mixed quality content by starting here. And, if you're worried about missing good Byrne, Wolfman and Perez stories prior to Adventures #466, I've compiled the best stories from those runs here. 6. Or maybe you truly do want to read EVERYTHING. If so, start here.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 25, 2020 17:46:23 GMT -5
Armageddon 2001 #1 (May 1991) "Darktime" Script: Archie Goodwin Pencils: Dan Jurgens Inks: Dick Giordano Colors: Anthony Tollin Letters: Albert De Guzman Grade: A+ I'm generally not a fan of crossover events. Sure, I often bought into the hype like everyone else, but looking back on decades' worth of crossovers since Secret Wars and Crisis on Infinite Earths, there are really only three that I've ever actually enjoyed: Marvel's Secret Wars (yeah, I know. Fight me), Valiant's Unity, and especially Armageddon 2001. When folks do discuss Armageddon 2001 today (and they don't do so often), it's to complain about how it ended -- that the mystery which was the main selling point of the series was resolved so illogically and haphazardly because, in the early days of the internet (even before the widespread use of the World Wide Web), someone had leaked the ending. Sure, that criticism is valid, but it's even more of a tragedy because the event is otherwise so well written and conceived. Before I go there, let's talk a bit about why I'm including this event in my Superman review thread. First off, the Superman annuals all intersect with this event, secondly it spills back into the Superman titles once the event is concluded, and third I still hold to my theory that the reason the seven part Time and Time Again storyline was such a directionless mess was because the original idea for the story caught someone's attention at DC and spun out into Armageddon 2001 at the last moment, leaving the Superman Office no time to create a replacement event in its place. Dan Jurgens is only billed as the artist on this story, but when I recently posted about how much I loved the story on a facebook group (not mentioning the art at all), Dan himself replied with tremendous pride about how well he felt the work held up, as if it had been his own baby. I truly believe this was the brainchild of the Superman Office, perhaps explaining why it spins out into his annuals first, and why Waverider ends up in his titles afterward. DC had been without a major event for two years (1989's Invasion had been the most recent one), and Marvel was kicking butt with their yearly annual crossover events, beginning with the Evolutionary War in 1988. Thus, with Armageddon 2001, the Superman Office had fueled DC with a concept to beat Marvel at their own game. And MAN was it good! A solid dystopian story, even if it borrowed heavily from Orwell's 1984, and perhaps even V for Vendetta with such an impressive, mysteriously, and carefully considered new villain (both in concept and in visual look): And the writing! I don't recall most of the stories I read when I was an adolescent, but this story, and especially this scene, always stayed with me: Years before Busiek and Ross would sit down to produce Marvels, Goodwin, Jurgens, and whoever else had a hand in this script were revering the DC heroes as if we were average citizens, looking up to them on the city streets in total awe. And boy did Jurgens' art capture this larger than life concept effectively: It's a masterful marriage of writing and art in and of itself, but the event it launched was perhaps even more brilliant -- a crossover event in which every chapter would present a possible future for each DC hero: even if it was extremely convenient how Matthew Ryder's research concluded that only the DC heroes with their own titles as of 1991 were suspects for eventually becoming Monarch. And even the science kinda' sorta' made sense. Whereas Time and Time Again hadn't even bothered to consider the science and logic of time travel, this story weighs those ideas heavily, explaining how Matthew Ryder/Waverider's time travelling powers work and even attempting to explain how heroes with multiple titles could have multiple possible futures, and yet how the existence of multiple possible futures doesn't invalidate Waverider using them to determine whether or not one of them becomes Monarch. It's confusing, and of course there's a little b.s. sprinkled in there, but it mostly holds together. As for the big mystery of who Monarch would turn out to be, it's funny how easily a narrative about a work sticks in people's minds after the fact. The common understanding is that all the clues pointed to Captain Atom until the ending got leaked. I'm calling b.s. on that. I remember my thoughts then, at the tender age of 11, while all my friends were discussing this mystery, and it's absolutely supported by pretty much EVERYTHING in this first issue: the most obvious culprit was Waverider himself. Let's explore the evidence: 1. It had to be a superhero active in 1991. Waverider becomes a superhero active in 1991 at the end of this first issue. 2. It had to be someone that made sense from a business perspective. Having a major established hero turn out to be a villain was going to kill whatever title that hero starred in. Having it be Waverider creates a satisfying time causality loop AND spares DC the need to ax a title. 3. ALL the moments in this issue that hinted that Monarch and Matthew Ryder have a profound connection and are profoundly similar to one another: Both devious, both willing to sell out colleagues, friends, and even family to serve their own cause that ran contrary to the prevailing sense of "right" in their time. I was sure in 1991 that Waverider would turn out to be Monarch. Reading it again in 2020, they were either intentionally feeding us one hell of a red herring, or the plan changed after the completion of this issue. Minor Details:- I love how accurately they portray the near future of 2030. The technology isn't so far fetched, but it's a little more modern and sleek. I especially dug this accurate prediction that the amazingly futuristic 3.5" floppy disks of 1991 would be so antiquated that they wouldn't even be compatible with modern computers in 2030: Personal computers were still an extremely new phenomenon at this point. Accurately predicting how quickly data storage would change is impressive to me.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 26, 2020 8:18:28 GMT -5
Superman Annual #3 (May 1991) "Execution 2001" Script: Dan Jurgens Pencils: Dusty Abell Inks: Terry Austin; John Beatty; Dick Giordano; Dennis Janke Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: John Costanza Grade: C- It's interesting to see what an immediate commerical success Armageddon 2001 had proven to be. While several recent key issues from the Superman Office had gone to second print (Clark and Lois getting engaged in Superman #50, Clark revealing his identity to Lois in Action Comics #662), this is the first comic out of the Superman Office that I'm aware of to make it to a third printing. In fact, DC built an entire "Silver Edition" line of third printing chapters in the Armageddon 2001 series. Was this evidence of tremendous sales, of DC seriously underestimating interest in these annuals and printing far too few, or both? Honestly, I still don't understand the purpose of annuals. The early ones offered more (often reprinted) content of favorite heroes in an effort to make a few more bucks; I get that. But I'm less clear on the purpose of an annual in the era of the Direct Market, especially when heroes fans demanded more of were available in trade paperbacks, and a robust back issue market had emerged. Why were Marvel and DC still trying to schlock these annual publications on us? I guess it was primarily for the indirect stationary store/grocery checkout audience that maybe still didn't have access to tpbs and back issues, but then why provide more expensive original content instead of the same old reprints? Anyway, as dystopian Post-Crisis Superman stories go, this was an inevitable one. Superman, realizing both his awesome powers and his awesome ideals, overextends his reach over mankind, less as a fascist and more as a super powered Robin Hood. Interestingly enough, though, this aspect of the plot sort of mirrors that of Superman IV: The Quest For Peace But the more inevitable aspect of this plot is its inversion of Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, the now famous and oft-homaged story of a dystopian future in which the government calls in Superman to take down Batman. Here, it's instead Batman being called in to take down the more logical threat of a Superman gone rogue. (Note: the idea of Superman opposing the United States Government on moral grounds was foreshadowed just two months earlier in Superman #53) And the big battle goes down looking almost exactly like the battle in DKR: while Superman and Batman's last big meeting in Action Comics #654 gets referenced repeatedly. Essentially, if you only knew about Superman in terms of his relationship to Batman, if you'd read or knew about Dark Knight Returns or Dark Knight Over Metropolis, this story was speaking to you. And, if you're a loyal Superman fan, it's still an interesting dark future for Supes -- he fails to protect Metropolis once, and it costs him everything, pushing him over the edge. In this future, everyone in Metropolis has died, and so Superman retreats to familiar ground in Smallville, marrying Lana Lang more out of convenience than romance, and what happens to Clark's parents is both inevitable and powerful: As a more minor nod to loyal fans of the Superman Office, Jurgens brings back Senator Forrest as the President in this future and also Superman's chief antagonist: Don't remember Senator Forrest? I'd forgotten about him too. He was the corrupt presidential candidate backed by Lex Luthor that Superman helped to expose way back in Superman #24. One last little clever addition Jurgens added to Superman's future is resurrecting the old Silver Age Superboy's use of tunnels to conceal his comings and goings from the Kent farm. Here, Jurgens has expanded upon the idea, with Clark using a massive network of tunnels that can allow him to travel hundreds of miles without being connected back to his home or even to Smallville in general. I was so impressed with the idea in 1991 that it's something I've always remembered and associated with the Armageddon 2001 event. As for the quality of this issue, while I like Jurgens' plot and vision for this story, his writing is sometimes a little forced. Jurgens is hardly a rookie at DC at this point; he's been working there for nearly ten years, and yet we'll see his writing do a lot of maturing over time in the Superman Office. Moments like this one, in which Lana Lang needlessly explains to Bruce Wayne an event of such major significance that it would be insulting to assume he doesn't already know it, smacks of clumsiness. The reader needed this info, so Lana has to say it to Bruce. But far FAR worse in this issue is the art of Dusty Abell. It looks like this may have been his very first professional assignment, and his work here is distractingly bad -- angles, panel compositions, basic anatomy, and especially faces -- distractingly bad to the point that it severely inhibited my ability to enjoy this issue: Dear God, Carlin. Give the job to Curt Swan. He needs more work. Important Details:- Further evidence to support my argument that Armageddon 2001 may have begun as the original working concept for the seven part Time and Time Again Superman story arc: Waverider is nearly totally convinced at the start of the issue that Superman is the most likely candidate for who becomes Monarch in 2001: What if Time and Time Again, as originally conceived, was just Waverider exploring different possible Superman futures to determine what would or would not cause him to become Monarch? And, to go back to my review of Armageddon 2001 #1, the final twist would have been that it was Waverider himself that would become Monarch, Superman being the one to learn from the alternate futures in order to stop Monarch in time? Time and Time Again ended up recycling that idea in a sense, with the Linear Man assuming Superman had altered the future in the final chapter when, in fact, it ends up being The Linear Man who does this out of a misguided attempt to preserve the timeline, thus unwittingly becoming a villain. If my theory is correct, that would have originally been Waverider's fate at the close of this storyline before someone at DC decided to turn it into a company-wide event instead of a local Superman crossover. But, again, this is all unsubstantiated speculation based almost entirely on the fact that Time and Time Again was an unusually aimless and poorly conceived major seven part storyline that didn't fit what we'd come to expect of the Carlin Superman Office, and that Armageddon 2001 and Time and Time Again were both time travel stories published in close proximity to each other, both heavily featuring Superman and utilizing Dan Jurgens. The rest is (logical) guesswork. Minor Details:- The first time Jurgens gets to plot/write a Superman story without also penciling it. - Ummm...Monarch TOLD Waverider that he was a superhero who turned on the other superheroes in Armageddon 2001 #1: Did Jurgens write this first, or did he just forget? - Department of disturbing predictions about the future: A 2001 disaster will cause the President to experience a mass swelling of support from the nation: Okay, okay. This actually would have happened a good deal of time prior to Monarch taking over in 2001, but the series has the year 2001 in the title, and it was hard not to make the connection... - The Superman Office is apparently already planning Panic in The Sky a year out: String recently discussed in this thread how the Superman Office was now holding sway over the Legion Office. Looks like they're finally going to get Brainiac back after previously losing creative control of him to the Legion Office. Also, side note -- did Jurgens really mean to imply that a year in our time is equal to a year in Superman's time? We haven't seen references to the passing of time since Byrne was still in control of the office, but back then, a month in real time was roughly equivalent to a week in Superman's time. Of course, we do get a Christmas story in Adventures of Superman every year...
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jul 26, 2020 8:38:33 GMT -5
But far FAR worse in this issue is the art of Dusty Abell. It looks like this may have been her very first professional assignment, and her work here is distractingly bad -- angles, panel compositions, basic anatomy, and especially faces -- distractingly bad to the point that it severely inhibited my ability to enjoy this issue: Dusty Abell is male - perhaps Dusty is short for Dustin. GCD has this as his second credit, following Ex-Mutants The Shattered Earth Chronicles #15.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 26, 2020 8:48:28 GMT -5
But far FAR worse in this issue is the art of Dusty Abell. It looks like this may have been her very first professional assignment, and her work here is distractingly bad -- angles, panel compositions, basic anatomy, and especially faces -- distractingly bad to the point that it severely inhibited my ability to enjoy this issue: Dusty Abell is male - perhaps Dusty is short for Dustin. Thanks. I looked at this image too quickly while doing a google search and assumed this was a female. My bad.
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Post by String on Jul 26, 2020 13:41:00 GMT -5
In general, I think the highest praise for any crossover event is reserved for the two granddaddies of the genre, Secret Wars and CoIE. Later crossover events are generally hit or miss and most don't have the lasting repercussions that the two who jump started the trend did. So I find it interesting to hear your positive praise for Armageddon.
I've never read it or rather all of it. I do have this Superman Annual #3 but I can't remember if I bought it back then or acquired it elsewhere later on. If I did buy it, it was certainly due to the cover drawing my attention, it's quite striking especially Superman's costume. Most 'future' versions of his costume have some drastic change/rendition to the S emblem but here, I love the simple yet effective changes of the boots, gloves, cape clasps and flared collar. It seems almost swashbuckler-esque but it's definitely a more distinctive look.
As for the story, I can't remember the last time I read it honestly. I may have one, maybe two annuals of Armageddon at most. To me, the annual is almost a tradition (it's been around for what, 30, 40 years by that point?) I do think using them as a platform for these crossover events was probably their best format in that time. You're not disrupting the monthly titles by forcing these crossovers into them and can integrate any consequences from them more smoothly into the monthly titles afterward (as you've alluded to here with Armageddon and Superman titles).
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 26, 2020 16:10:31 GMT -5
Unfortunately, my familiarity with Byrne's pocket universe is limited to those issues of Superman/Action/Adventures in which it appeared. No idea why they would even need a second one which sounds bizarre. So, what I can understand: - The first Pocket Universe Superboy was created by the Time Trapper
- Mon-El destroys the Time Trapper, erasing him from the existence and from any moment in the time stream
- Without the Time Trapper, no Pocket Universe - so Superboy and no Legion!
- Mordru became the Emperor of the Universe because in the new timeline there was no Legion to stop him
- Glorith takes the place of the Time Trapper, restarting the time line. But this time the Legion's inspiration was Lar Gand - Valor (the real name of Mon-El) who stated his superheroistic adventure in the 20th century
- But Glorith realizes that without Superboy there would be too much alterations to the 20th History (especially Superman, if not for his encounter with the three Pocket Universe Kryptonian villains, he would never have exiled himself into space) so she recreate the Pocket Universe and Superboy
- This version of Superboy reappears briefly for a last fight, then he is definitely erased from existence following Zero Hour
That's it! And then Superboy comes back as an artificially grown mixed clone of Superman and Lex Luthor, because that's way more accessible to new readers than the pre-Crisis "Superman when he was a teen".
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 26, 2020 18:22:40 GMT -5
Dusty Abell is male - perhaps Dusty is short for Dustin. Thanks. I looked at this image too quickly while doing a google search and assumed this was a female. My bad. Seriously, with those arms? Might need to see an optometrist there, Shax!
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Post by shaxper on Jul 26, 2020 18:25:47 GMT -5
Seriously, with those arms? AND those boobs...
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 26, 2020 18:45:26 GMT -5
Couple of things, the 2001 things seems only prescient in hindsight. 2001 was chosen because it was a decade later; it wouldn't have meant much if this had been done in 1990. Also, 2001 had a connotation, thanks to Arthur C Clarke and Stanley Kubrick, so there is a built in expectation that 2001 would reflect a year vastly different (though more in the late 60s than the early 90s).
I'm not as big on this as you are. I think it started well, but fell apart even before the ending. There are a couple of good elements in individual titles; but, that had been par for the course since Legends, if you ask me. I liked the fact they contained it to the annuals, but, only liked a couple of those.
Seemed to me that the Monarch, as planned, would have an influence on Mark Waid's Empire, especially the look of Golgoth, though both owe much to Dr Doom (and Perez's design for the Anti-Monitor).
I liked Dusty Abell's later work on some of the Superman stuff, especially the Agent Liberty thing he did.
I would argue the assessment of Action Comics Weekly, in regards to the companion features. The Superman center spreads were forgettable, but, I thought there were a few good features in the run of ACW, including: the revived Secret Six (great concept and excellent adventure storytelling from Dan Spiegle), the Mike Grell-penned Blackhawk-as-Steve Canyon post-war adventure, the Black Canary solo story where she got rid of the ridiculous blue, black and white costume (I did like the white buccaneer boots; but, I just like white boots and buccaneer boots, for some inexplicable reason) from Mindy Newell, and a couple of others. Nothing major came out of it, but, there was some good non-Superman material (the Green Lantern stuff was forgettable; but, it was suffering through yet another bad period).
I do agree that it takes a while for the entire Superman line to really gel and become memorable and 1989/90 is about the time frame. There were moments before; but, by then, there seemed to be a cohesion to things.
I'm not so down on the early Byrne stuff; but, the Legends tie-in stories are where I think the book was really showing the way forward, with the interconnected storyline and a big enough threat, while still adding character moments.
Don't get me started on the whole Pocket Universe thing, the Legion mess or Hawkman, thanks to Hawkworld not being set in the past. DC needed to plan out the post-Crisis world better; either start from scratch, or map out what was in continuity (on the grand scale, more than individual stories) and what was erased. Personally, I always felt getting rid of parallel worlds was wrong-headed, so much as streamlining things down to two or three. Fans had less of a problem than Marvel exiles, though the Crisis "calamity" was the sort of thing needed to shake up the line and give a dividing line between what was and what they were going to launch.
No matter how bad or indifferent Armageddon 2001 was, it was way better than Zero Hour, and War of the Gods, and had more of a purpose than Invasion.
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