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Post by chadwilliam on Apr 12, 2024 23:11:37 GMT -5
Supposedly, a big part of the reason Superman was killed was because they scrapped plans for him and Lois to marry at the time. The Lois and Clark tv show was being planned, and the decision was made to push off the wedding until it would happen in the show so as to have synergy between the comics the show. In place of the wedding they had a funeral. Chris and I were just discussing this on the previous page. I've heard this rumor a number of times, and it just doesn't add up for me. The show was still in the planning stages and the entire premise was the romantic tension between Lois and Clark, so how were they already planning for a wedding episode in a show that wasn't even been greenlit yet and certainly wasn't going to have the couple marry in its first season? It would be pretty bold to assume it would be picked up AND renewed for a second season before the pilot had even been filmed. I think that two separate rumours are being conflated here. I did hear that the Superman offices intended to marry Clark and Lois earlier than they eventually did - perhaps planning to unite them around 1995/early 1996 or so - but held off until the pair got married on the show in 1996. I never heard any rumours about synchronizing the marriage before then however. I think what's being recalled here is a decision to keep Clark and Lois as single as the comics could enable them to be (that is, engaged but single) to more closely align with the show where they'd be single, albeit unattached, so that viewers of the show would find a status quo more recognizable to them than having them married would present. As for the reasoning behind killing Superman... Once the death hits, DC will throw one gimmick after another at the character which, I think, is partly why Superman found himself synonymous with cheap sales stunts. The Return of Superman! The Death of Clark Kent! Electric Superman! Electric Superman-Red/Electric Superman-Blue! The Wedding Album! Sure, it started with Marvel and bled over to Image, but from I recall (and my memory might be faulty) Superman just seemed to revisit that well if not more frequently, then at least more obviously than those who had beaten him to the punch. In fact, although Shaxper has done an outstanding job of establishing (or at least thoroughly convincing me) that DC's Impact! line was the company's real last attempt to avoid succumbing to the temptation to give into the speculator's market of the era by simply telling strong, compelling stories with innovative characters, I can't help but wonder if to Carlin and company, The Death of Superman was just a continuation down the road they had begun to pave with Superman #50 where the man of steel proposes to Lois. The proposal, as Shaxper pointed out in his review of the issue, seemed to come from nowhere. I remember a big to-do being made about Lois finally learning the identity a few issues later in Action Comics (admittedly, a story they had no choice but to tell once the proposal was made and accepted) and then two issues after that, we get the death of Luthor. No polybags, no multiple covers, no foil enhancements were involved (Superman #50 got a second printing, but that was it, I think) so it doesn't real feel like the start of a trend, but it could be that that "We have to come up with a fantastic gimmick that people will HAVE to buy!" mentality was already in effect. I remember hearing Mike Carlin claim that the response to the announcement of Superman's death took him completely by surprise - a statement which I always found hard to believe. How can killing Superman not be anything but a major story? But seen in this light - the proposal, the revelation, the death of Luthor not setting the charts on fire - I can kind of see it. Carlin has also recounted being confronted by reporters asking why he was killing Superman and responding, "Because you stopped buying him". I think that if you're announcing that you really expect 40 year old journalists to be buying comic books you're clearly illustrating a misunderstanding of who your target audience should be, but I think his statement suggests a flailing level of desperation borne out of repeated failures to really move sales the way he had been hoping to.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 13, 2024 11:05:08 GMT -5
Chris and I were just discussing this on the previous page. I've heard this rumor a number of times, and it just doesn't add up for me. The show was still in the planning stages and the entire premise was the romantic tension between Lois and Clark, so how were they already planning for a wedding episode in a show that wasn't even been greenlit yet and certainly wasn't going to have the couple marry in its first season? It would be pretty bold to assume it would be picked up AND renewed for a second season before the pilot had even been filmed. I think that two separate rumours are being conflated here. I did hear that the Superman offices intended to marry Clark and Lois earlier than they eventually did - perhaps planning to unite them around 1995/early 1996 or so - but held off until the pair got married on the show in 1996. I never heard any rumours about synchronizing the marriage before then however. I think what's being recalled here is a decision to keep Clark and Lois as single as the comics could enable them to be (that is, engaged but single) to more closely align with the show where they'd be single, albeit unattached, so that viewers of the show would find a status quo more recognizable to them than having them married would present. That makes so much more sense to me, and (if you're correct) I can absolutely see how the creators could conflate those events in hindsight, or even just purposefully compact them for a more concise anecdote. Oh, I firmly believe that was exactly it. In 1990, once the Superman Office found its footing in the wake of abruptly losing its head writer for a second time, there was a very clear agenda to compete with the Batman Office for top sales, beginning with Day of The Krypton Man, continuing into Dark Knight Over Metropolis, then Soul Search, then Krisis of the Krimson Kryptonite, and so on and so on WHILE killing off Jerry White, having Clark pop the question, and having Luthor die, all without advance warning. I have to think the goal was to draw readers in with such sensationalism and then scale down to just telling quality stories once folks were hooked, but they never hit the level of success they were looking for. Even when Superman: The Man of Steel #1 rocked the sales charts in 1991, it didn't translate into a substantial bump for the rest of the Superman titles. Except that he leaked the Death of Superman in advance and was doing interviews left and right, whereas (to the best of my knowledge) no one knew Luthor was going to die until it happened. He may not have expected the level of reaction he got upon announcing it, but he certainly had some sense that this was going to be huge prior to the actual issue hitting stands. That being said, DC was off of everyone's radar by this point, so his sales projections might still have been modest compared to what he got. I think Panic in The Sky was a very humbling moment for Carlin, the Superman Office, and DC in general. Could have been a more flippant response intended for the readers, not the journalists. In that respect, he wasn't wrong.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 20, 2024 22:41:49 GMT -5
Action Comics #680 (August 1992) "Payment Due" Script: Roger Stern Pencils: Butch Guice Inks: Denis Rodier Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: Bill Oakley Grade: B- More of Superman, Lois, and Jimmy fighting off an office building full of demons, except Ordway's humor is missing this time around, leaving us with little more than a slugfest. This would seem appropriate for a book called ACTION comics, except that Guice is still figuring out his style at this point. What made his work on this title striking thus far has been his use of models and/or photo referencing for an unmistakable real-world feel, but that doesn't lend itself well to surreal action sequences: However, he makes up for it with some truly striking panel arrangements: It's not ACTION, exactly, but it keeps the eye moving and feels very much like the layouts Liefeld and the like are beginning to churn out over at Malibu/Image: from Youngblood #2, published only two months earlier. LOTS of dialogue conveyed across a few striking, busy visuals instead of trying to show every moment of the scene. It's therefore more than a little confusing why Carlin is still going with Art Thibert covers, which hide all the visual gold happening within this particular title. If visuals are what's selling books in 1992, they need Guise on covers. And, by the way, if you asked me to thumbnail a panel in which Supergirl tries to push past an invisible energy barrier and gave me a hundred years to consider it and try it from every possible angle, I still probably wouldn't have come up with this totally unique approach: WOW, Guise is something else. As for the writing, I feel like Stern phoned this one in. For example, we've established that the building is crawling with demons, attacking from all sides, and Satanus blasts his firebolt in a single direction. Superman initially assumes he killed Lois and Jimmy, realizes he was mistaken, and then there is a sudden break in the fighting that last for two pages, during which all necessary information gets delivered and Superman and Lois hug in a way that's got to leave Jimmy wondering about some things. So...all the other demons just stopped attacking for no particular reason? Coffee break? When the fighting resumes, there's similarly no explanation for it. Coffee break over. Additionally, Stern's character voices serve the plot without any concern for consistency. Take Satanus, a character we are still trying to figure out: Sometimes his dialect is downright biblical, sometimes it's conventional, and sometimes he uses playful 1990's humor like he watches American sitcoms. Similarly, Sam Foswell starts talking like a generic villain immediately after Blaze transforms him into a super demon: I can't imagine Foswell talking like that in his wildest fantasies. Then you've got basic plot inconsistencies. For example, the entire conflict between Satanus and Superman began last issue when Satanus heavily implied that the only way to stop Blaze's demons was to kill Foswell. Now he's arbitrarily changed his mind: And whereas Blaze clearly indicated two issues back that Satanus was here because he was after Superman's soul, we've apparently forgotten about that entirely: So the very little plot we've been given thus far is already twice contradicted. All in all, we probably didn't need this issue at all. Superman and Satanus deciding they're on the same side for now, Foswell being turned into a monster, Supergirl deciding to help out, and Satanus transporting them and the Newstime building to another dimension all could have been done in two pages instead of twenty-two. Fortunately, it's somewhat entertaining, and Guise's artwork (mostly) makes up for whatever else was lacking here. Minor Details:- Satanus once ruled Blaze's dimension but was overthrown by her. - Supergirl still has conflicted loyalty to both Superman and Lex Luthor:
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Post by sunofdarkchild on May 15, 2024 9:36:16 GMT -5
I'd say the wedding is a good place to stop, as the 'conclusion' to the will they/won't they arc for Lois and Clark. Stopping there also ends it before the whole electrical powers schtick begins.
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Post by Duragizer on May 18, 2024 21:43:57 GMT -5
I'd say the wedding is a good place to stop, as the 'conclusion' to the will they/won't they arc for Lois and Clark. Stopping there also ends it before the whole electrical powers schtick begins. I second this.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2024 13:57:04 GMT -5
Superman #71 (September 1992) "Evil's Pawn" Script: Dan Jurgens Pencils: Dan Jurgens (layouts); Brett Breeding (finishes) Inks: Brett Breeding Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: John Costanza Grade: D So much of the beauty of the 1990 Superman Office was the thrill of their discovering that, with three monthly titles, they could churn out major, multi-part events practically every month and, with a supportive editor looking to generate sales in their corner, they could shake things up within those storylines as much as they pleased. Now, two years later, we're feeling the inevitable backlash from this: four issues of content (six if you want to count the loosely related and equally worthless vampire storyline before this) that are forgettable, incomprehensible, and largely inconsequential. Every comic book line has its filler issues that aren't up to snuff, but when this office falters, its a major multi-issue disappointment. The story itself feels...arbitrary. They just seem to be making things up as they go. Here, Satannus is suddenly evil, and I'm not sure why nor when Superman decided this: He and Blaze are fighting for control of a dimension and all the souls in it, I guess, except Blaze also wants the Newstime Staff, except hadn't we established repeatedly in the previous issue that she was just using them to get Superman's soul (which doesn't seem to interest her at all here)? Once again, we're shown that Superman's powers don't work in this dimension... ...except that all of his powers other than flight apparently do? And don't get me started with why the hell this is the climax of the storyline: nor why it causes this to happen: nor why Blaze WANTS to go through the portal Satannus created to the ordinary world. Weren't they both trying to claim the dimension they're now trying to leave up to this point? This is some serious "winging-it" nonsense that might get a pass in a single, stand-alone story, but when you've taken eighty eight pages and $5 of an adolescent's spending money (A LOT in 1992!), you owe them a little more than this. The few positives from this story include being reassured that Jerry White is definitely and truly gone, beyond even the reach of Hellish demons: Jerry's "appearances" were just illusions concocted by Blaze.this damn impressive moment for Perry White: After all, we've just been reminded that this office unceremoniously killed of Jerry White two years back. While Supes, Lois, and Jimmy weren't going anywhere (just yet) who's to say that this wasn't going to be the true and final death of Perry White? For half a second, I was ready to believe it.and (of course) the coining of the term "Fosgoyle": I guess it's a big deal that Colin Thornton finally has a purpose in this franchise; but I call foul on the implication that he was Satannus all along. After all, why would the guy looking to either steal Superman's soul or at least keep it from Blaze (I'm still confused on this matter) fire Clark Kent way back in Adventures of Superman #464, and why would an otherworldly demon who can posses people and seemingly amass limitless material gain for himself in such a way be distraught that his empire is crumbling due to lack of capital only four months back in Adventures of Superman #490? from Adventurs of Superman #490Sure seems like such a being wouldn't need to sell out to Lex Luthor. So either we're later going to be shown that Satannus only recently took over Thornton's life, or the Superman Office is just making up even more stuff as they go. Important Details:1. Confimed by Satannus that Jerry White is really, truly dead and in some sort of Heaven where he cannot be touched. 2. Collin Thornton IS Satannus. 3. Sam Fosworth's soul now belongs to Satannus (though I missed how/when that happened too!) Minor Details:1. Gotta love how, in a chapel full of Newstime employees AND Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, and Perry and Alice White, they're the only ones shown in most panels, the only ones who ever seem to talk or do anything, and, at the end, absolutely none of those faceless people in the background died or were even seriously injured when the chapel they were in was collapsing because a giant demon was wailing on it. Lazy. 2. Supergirl goes for a classic Kirby pose and ends up somehow turning her hand into a disjoined mound of mush. Not sure whether that fleshy lack of linework is on Jurgens or on Breeding, but...eww.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 15, 2024 14:34:47 GMT -5
Adventures of Superman #494 (September 1992) "Kismet: The Road Not Taken" Script: Jerry Ordway Pencils: Tom Grummett Inks: Doug Hazlewood Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: Albert DeGuzman Grade: C+ On the one hand, I've been so excited to get to the Death of Superman this year. On the other, these stories have really, really been lackluster as of late. I have to hope that the surge of new interest this office will generate in three months' time will inspire better storytelling down the road. Thanks to an overzealous spree at two different comic shops over the past month, I now own nearly every Superman story from Byrne's relaunch up through the termination of the current Superman Office in 1999, and I sure hope I'm going to end up wanting to read those remaining seven years worth of stories. Superman Red and Superman Blue, you'd better be worth it. As for this story, I applaud the intent if not the execution. On the one hand, Superman just spent an entire month battling forces that represent a higher power in the universe, and not a good one. For such a positive, uplifting franchise as this one, don't we need to balance that? Granted, it takes the guts of a Roger Stern or a J.M. DeMatteis to have a Judeo-Christian "God" walk on panel and announce his presence but Ordway finds a middle road with "Kismet," a sort of inbetween entity that claims to represent balance more than any definitive side in the cosmic sense of things, and yet the story ends up implying that she/it is a force of good, somehow inspiring Superman to be his best in a well-intended climax that doesn't quite manage to land. Kismet repeatedly implies that Superman's decisions are the results of the influences of other grand beings, but also repeatedly states that the answers lie within him and not her, but then also transports him to an accident about to happen just in time so that he can save the day? Either this is a very clever (and likely too subtle) way of indicating that Kismet is a sort of guardian angel in Superman's life who has been directing him to do good all along, or it's an indecisive mess of a story that accomplishes almost nothing. I say almost nothing because the other aspect of this story that I really respect is the attempt to do a sort of This Is Your Life for Superman right before he gets killed off. With Doomsday only three months away, the project was surely greenlit by this point, and so it looks like Ordway is trying to take a moment to do something respectful of the character's legacy thus far before sending him off (for a little while, at least). This story revisits the events of (or presents alternate outcomes) from... The near-crash of the space plane in Man of Steel #1, Superman killing the rogue Kryptonians in Superman #22, Clark revealing his identity to Lois in Action Comics #662, Lois dying during childbirth in a possible future in Adventures of Superman Annual #3, Superman taking over the world governments in a possible future in Superman Annual #3, and the death of Scott Brubaker and its ensuing impact on young Clark Kent in Adventures of Superman #474. Additionally, it makes passing references to events in Man of Steel #6 and drops a dad joke-level reference to 1990's Soul Search crossover: If I were trying to nail down all the most critical moments in Superman's Post-Crisis career up to this point, these would be strong choices, but I might also have included the reformation of Prof. Emil Hamilton, the death of Jerry White, the near-death of Lucy Lane, and really ANYTHING with Lex Luthor, though I'm grateful they left out Lana Lang and Sleeze for once. As for Kismet herself, much as with Blaze and Satannus before her, there just isn't much character there to like or dislike. She delivers lines and furthers a plot without any real motive nor personality trait, and her look feels pretty blatantly stolen from Ditko: And, while I love the idea of an issue spent on ideals and existential debates instead of all-out conflict, Ordway ruins it a bit by giving Superman an attitude and the vocabularly of a sixth grader. The world's greatest example of physical self control gets angry awfully fast, and one of the Daily Planet's top reporters has no better words to express it than these: That's just...not my Superman. He's also very quick to accept the intellectual exercise without taking a moment to realistically question what's going on, though he's at least clever enough not to reveal any personal information that Kismet hasn't already mentioned in said discussion. It's subtle but clever. Check out this moment again and note that Clark never provides names nor specifics: So he's clever AND stupid all in one story. In the end, this was supposed to be a powerful ideological crisis that took us to the core of who Superman is and had him come out resolved and even a little stronger: but it just didn't work for me. I saw no real growth/transformation moment for Superman, and Kismet's actions felt arbitrary at best. Fortunately, it looks like DC does more to develop that character in later appearances. Important Details:1. Not sure if it was there in Man of Steel #1 and I missed it or it's new information, but Metropolis was celebrating its 250th anniversary when Superman made his first public appearance. 2. This issue retroactively adds the detail that Blaze was blown to pieces at the end of the previous story, but let's be real -- she'll be back. 3. 1st appearance of Kismet, though she/it doesn't exactly go by that name so much as offer Superman a list of names he might use, and he goes with that one. Minor Details:1. I love love love that the Armageddon 2001 annuals are still getting referenced. What great stories! 2. I've got to call B.S. on Kismet's alternate version of Superman #22: What "new worlds"? They'd destroyed their entire dimension. The entire point and impact of the story's climax was that these three no longer posed a threat. Superman couldn't rationalize killing them for the greater good; he was enacting Kryptonian justice. 3. I at least love the meaning Ordway extracted from that event for Superman: I'm not sure the idea that this event clarified Superman's moral code had ever been articulated previously. I've certainly argued repeatedly in this thread that Superman didn't really find his heroic core until after Byrne left, and this explanation supports that. All in all, a valiant effort, but a very muddled finished product. Of course, the writers must be very busy planning for Doomsday and what would follow at this point. I can excuse the poor work on recent stories if what they are planning next ends up being better. PLEASE tell me it gets better!
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Post by shaxper on Jul 17, 2024 11:57:19 GMT -5
Action Comics #681 (September 1992) "Odds &...Endings" Script: Roger Stern Pencils: Butch Guice Inks: Denis Rodier Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: Bill Oakley Grade: A+ Well, it's taken long enough, but we finally have an issue that's reminding me what I love about this franchise. From a plotting perspective, it's just a further wrap up of the highly forgettable Blaze/Satannus War and a done-in-one story pitting two villains (well, one isn't a villain anymore, apparently) against each other, but it's the characterizations and small moments in between that make this one soar, like Perry composing the lead Daily Planet article along with the team as one big, functional work family: Though (once again) where's poor Ron Troupe?Supes and Maggie Sawyer just taking a moment to process some of the crazy they've experienced over the past few years: and Lois being a perfect support to Clark: as well as so many other human moments in this story that do nothing to further the plot and everything to make these characters feel real and lovable: ...and boy do Butch (Jackson) Guise's pencils help! Speaking of Guise (whose artwork has really become the star of this title), I was concerned at first that we were going to see a repeat of the same problem we've seen from him a lot lately: namely that he can draw gorgeous everyday poses, seemingly from photos or models, but that he couldn't depict comic book action and extreme expressions to save his life. We certainly begin to see that here: ...or, more specifically, here: Please note that's the same woman from two images earlier!but he pulls out of this rut and draws a few really dynamic moments after (with some significant help from Rodier): Seriously, with Stern writing this well, and Guise overcoming pretty much his only weakness as an artist, this book is comic gold! Now, for those that don't know or remember Rampage, she began as a forgettable Byrne villain waaaay back in Superman #7. Back then, Kitty Faulkner was a low level scientist working on a project that she felt was unethical. As punishment for trying to expose the lead scientist, he caused her to be transformed into, essentially, an orange Incredible Hulk. The true bad guy was stopped, Kitty was cured, end of story. But then, only two issues after Byrne departed from the office, seemingly without warning nor plan for the franchise without him, Roger Stern revisited Kitty and made her into a complex and sympathetic character, dying as a result of her experience, and fearful of seeking a cure that could cause her to become Rampage again. Perhaps most notably, by the end of the story (in which the evil scientist returns to manipulate her once again), there was some evidence that Rampage, once calmed from the shock (and perhaps outrage) of her transformation, had some level of self-control and intelligence: Superman describes her as "quite lucid," though whether he means Kitty is fully aware or merely functioning at Hostes fruit Pie ad Hulk levels was never really explored because Kitty goes on to make further appearances after that, always as a recovered scientist putting her life back together, and never again as Rampage now that no one was controlling her externally. In Adventures of Superman #450, she is working for STAR Labs alongside Prof. Hamilton, and she then goes on to play a key supporting role in the Will Payton Starman title (note: also written by Roger Stern) in Phoenix, Arizona, still as Dr. Kitty Faulkner. And now, in the wake of the Will Payton Starman title being cancelled five months earlier, Roger Stern has Dr. Faulkner return to Metropolis, now as the lead director of the new STAR Labs overseeing its reconstruction in the wake of Armageddon 2001. It's a really uplifting move, seeing this character rise back up from a character who was used, abused, and left for dead as much by John Byrne as by her previous employer, to someone who has built back her life better than ever through tireless resilience. And the growing friendship between Kitty and Lois in these pages is so positively endearing, as well. About time Lois had a life outside of Clark (though I suppose Clark could use a few friends who aren't Jimmy Olsen nor a half-mad scientist, himself). Anyway, while experiencing all of this for the first time, with the cover of the issue firmly in mind, I couldn't help but grimace. Goddamn, they were going to pull another Lana Lang and tear this woman back down by having her turn into Rampage again...but no. She does it herself. In the midst of an emergency, she makes the conscious choice to become Rampage again and, best yet, she is fully in control of herself as Rampage this time, more Jennifer Walters than Bruce Banner. In fact, she and Superman playing baseball with Hellgrammite's body might be the most fun this franchise has been in over a year! Really, the awful name and costume aside, I'd be all set to buy a Rampage solo series by this point, except that Stern keeps the character real: this is who Kitty needs to be in an emergency, but it isn't who she really wants to be: and I respect that choice, though I can't help but think they're missing out on a profitable new character, here. I wonder if they pitched it to Carlin for the up aboves and were told no? Either way, I'm VERY glad Kitty will be playing a role in the supporting cast going forward and have no doubt we will see Rampage again. Sure the resemblance to Marvel's She-Hulk is clear, but the characterization and tone are very different; I truly like Kitty Faulkner better. As for Hellgrammite, he's finally turning into a character too. His previous appearances have been forgettable at best, his characterization completely vague. So, while I still have no idea what his actual powers are beyond his ability to regenerate extremely slowly, Stern makes the unusual choice to play Hellgrammite both as a terrifying, methodical psychopath: and as the butt of the joke, totally ineffective once again: though I'm still left wondering what a guy like this is going to do with the millions of dollars in payment he is demanding from Markahm. Assuming he even has the ability to launder that kind of money successfully, how is he going to spend it? Weird dude with a giant tail just setting up residence in Beverly Hills? Even if he wants to build a high tech lab with the money, does he have the connections to make those purchases? I'd love to see him get the payment in cash, understand that it cost Markham everything, and then just burn it all because he's that crazy, but I doubt the Superman Office is giving his motive that much consideration. Important Details:1. Kitty Faulkner is the new Director of the newly rebuilt STAR Labs and now has total control as her alter ego, Rampage. 2. Hellgrammite has slow regenerative powers (it took days for him to regenerate the end of his tail from his previous encounter with Superman), and his backstory has not changed from the Pre-Crisis Brave and The Bold #80. Minor Details:1. Remember how it was implied two issues back that (miraculuously) absolutely no one was injured during the Blaze/Satannus War? from Superman #71Well someone apparenly forgot to tell that to Stern: Enjoy that guilt-free malt, Jimmy.2. I'm wondering if this is the first time we've heard Art Bailey's traffic report, as well as mention of radio station Q-96. Sure seems like the kind of thing this office would keep bringing back. 3. It's kind of a big deal that Stern has just decided the events of Brave and The Bold #80 (from 1968!) went down pretty much exactly the same way in the Post-Crisis: I'm not going to go back and examine the issue closely, but it's safe to say that was a very different Pre-Crisis Batman. Sure, it was Bob Haney writing, so there probably weren't any connections made to any continuity occuring in the core Batman titles of the time, but that's still a pretty reckless move to declare an entire 1968 DC comic book still "happened" in the Post-Crisis, especially when it would have been so damn easy to just recreate the Hellgrammite's backstory for the Post-Crisis in half a page. 4. For ages and ages, this office teased that there was something suspicious about the new director of STAR Labs, and now I guess that idea is totally abandoned. No mention whatsoever of a previous director in all of Kitty's explanations about the new job, here: Incidentally, that's Hellgrammite in the air vent, not the shadowy old director.5. Poor Jimmy Olsen (who I otherwise cannot stand) has been torturing himself over what happened to Clark Kent since the beginning of the Blaze/Satannus War, and you've got to love how Lois and Superman keep gaslighting him over making such a big deal about Clark likely being lost in a weird dimension full of Satannic demons: I seriously don't understand why they can't just tell him at this point. Superdickery in the Post-Crisis Era. 6. Please tell me this moment means Supergirl is going to take on a secret identity. I'm a huge Supergirl fan, and I really like how Matrix is developing into that hero in this title, even with her blind spot for Lex Luthor II. 7. And, speaking of Supergirl, do Stern and Guice have some sort of exclusive control over her at this point? I feel like we only see her in this title ever since the culmination of Panic in The Sky. 8. Sam Foswell doesn't remember that he was a demon nor that Satannus (disguised as Colin Thornton) is really controlling him, and no one other than Superman knows that Foswell was a demon in the first place. 9. I still don't buy that Thornton was always Satannus and hope we'll see an explanation for this down the road.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 22, 2024 11:28:42 GMT -5
Superman, The Man of Steel #16 (October 1992) "Hard Knocks" (Crisis At Hand, Part 1) Script: Louise Simonson Pencils: Jon Bogdanove (layouts); Dennis Janke (finishes) Inks: Dennis Janke Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: Bill Oakley Grade: A And here it is, the story that inevitably had to be told and which has the potential to be the pinnacle of everything this Superman Office is striving to achieve. I don't just mean that Clark's neighbor, Andrea, has been hanging around in the background for over three years now, nor that the abuse she has been enduring was teased recently in both STMOS #14 and Adventures of Superman #493. Instead, consider that some of the greatest strengths of this office are: 1. Interpersonal relationships and side characters with meaningful development 2. Emphasis on Clark as the center of the Superman character and on problems that can't be solved with powers alone. 3. Tackling real-world social issues 4. Strong continuity So developing a background character like Andrea, using her abusive relationship as a contrast to the healthy exemplar of Clark and Lois, creating a socially relevant crisis for Superman that he absolutely cannot use his powers to stop, and pulling inspiration from Superman's VERY first appearance all at the same time from Action Comics #1this issueseems both like a stroke of genius and like an inevitable story that had to happen sooner or later. And, while I personally would have handed it to anyone other than this office's weakest writing and penciling team, Weezy and Boggy manage to do a great job with it, anyway. Personally, I would have given this to Dan Jurgens as one of his poignant and socially relevent annual Christmas stories, but I give Carlin and the team credit for making this into a two parter across two titles instead. Whatever else can be said about Carlin's alleged issues with women, this was a bold move from his office especially in realistically depicting a battered woman who doesn't want saving, but it also answers an essential question about this Post-Crisis Superman. Ever since we were first given clues that Clark's next door neighbor was being abused, I've been asking where the heck his super hearing has been. It seems absurd that Superman, of all people, could fail to note what's happening. I'd hoped the Superman Office would turn that into a message about how we all choose not to see what's happening around us, but Simonson takes a different route, instead exploring the larger issue of how a morally righteous man who can hear EVERYTHING manages to maintain his sanity at all: Though, by the end of the story, these boundaries are up for renegotiation: I truly worry. There's been a disconnect between Simonson and the rest of the writers from day one, and inconsistencies across multi-part stories have been widespread as a result. I truly want to see someone bring a satisfying conclusion to the interpersonal journey Simonson has laid down for Clark, here. I hope that's what we'll get next issue. Important Details:1. The spousal abuse incident from Action Comics #1 is still in continuity and happened about a week after Clark publicly became Superman, though the details have changed. Please note that this is not Andrea and her husband, but rather a similar event Clark experienced years earlier. 2. This is now the second time in two issues that events from the Pre-Crisis are said to have still happened in Post-Crisis continuity, something this office has never done prior to last week! 3. During his first week as Superman, Clark was overextending himself in an effort to help everyone until The Kents helped him set some boundaries for his own sanity. Minor Details:1. While Superman's long-time address of 344 Clinton Street has already been reaffirmed in the Post Crisis continuity, this is the first time we are shown that Brown Blvd. is the cross-street. Is this a nod to someone? 2. Speaking of nods, I enjoyed this one to Phyllis Coates: There have been multiple moves as of late (and largely in this title) to acknowledge Superman's rich history outside of comics, including both the Adventures of Superman television series of the 1950s and the Fleischer cartoons of the 1940s. 3. Boggy is getting better (or at least his blunders are getting masked better by Janke's inks) but he still has major issues with consistent proportions. 4. I absolutely cannot get enough of the chemistry between Clark and Lois, especially when it feels believable. I may not enjoy the "Babe" this and "Babe" that going on, but I really like how realistically Simonson makes Clark's powers a meaningful part of their exchanges. Of course, if he can hear Jay Leno's monologue several floors up and through external walls, then why the hell couldn't he hear Andrea getting annihilated next door? 5. I also love the contrast drawn between Clark and Lois' relationship and that of Andrea and her husband. I think I've mentioned here before that Clark and Lois' relationship really helped shape my expectations for a romantic partner and for myself in a romantic relationship while at a critically impressionable age. Kids needed this message. 6. This kid, totally unrelated to the main plot, ended up making for the most poignant part of the story. Too bad that, in a story that resounds so hard with realness, Simonson had to take this route with it: And, seriously? This was the best face Boggy could draw? Weezy and Boggy still have their flaws and remain my least favorite part of this Superman Office, but (a few odd moments aside) they did incredibly well on this one.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 26, 2024 22:48:19 GMT -5
Superman #72 (October 1992) "Rage" (Crisis At Hand, Part 2) Script: Dan Jurgens Pencils: Dan Jurgens (layouts); Brad Vancata (finishes) Inks: Brad Vancata Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: John Costanza Grade: A++ In spite of my fears last issue, this one certainly did not fail in bringing "Crisis At Hand" to a powerful close. Inevitably, Dan Jurgens was the right person with whom to entrust this story. For three years now, he's been using Superman Christmas stories to advance awareness of social issues, and the stories/messages have always been powerful and memorable. But this one is bigger than a stand-alone holiday tale, tying directly into Superman's origin/development as a hero three full months before we'll be seeing any mention of Christmas in these pages. Here, Jurgens shows us how a tragic miscalculation from Superman's past forced him to start using his head in addition to his fists: as well as the importance of trusting the system and not taking matters into his own hands: In some ways, this is very similar to what Jurgens did with his 1991 Christmas story, "Face To Face With Yesterday", where a poor decision on young Clark's part results in our seeing his moral compass begin to develop on panel: It's powerful and utterly human to show Clark repeatedly faced with difficult decisions, failing to make the right call, and developing as a hero in response. Jurgens may not be my favorite writer in this office, but in these moments I think he gets Superman best. And I can't help but think this whole thing was Jurgens' baby. Everything that happened last issue was setup to get us to this point in which Clark knows he can't get involved in the domestic abuse occurring next door, but also knows he can't sit by and do nothing. it also gives Jurgens space to finally show us the end result of that early adventure in which he tried to threaten an abusive husband into leaving his wife alone: Holy geez is that a powerful scene. And so is what happens here, where the final moral seems to be that you can't get involved until the abused wants you to: but then it's incredibly significant that it's Clark and Lois, two ordinary neighbors (and not Superman), that get involved and do something about it: It's a powerful call to action for us all, and it doesn't shy away from the muddy complexities of such a situation either: Heck, Jurgens even takes a page to explore the husband's perspective with serious realism: How far we've come in this moment from the simplicity of that minor episode in Action Comics #1: Brad Vancata is an up-and-comer at this point. From what I can tell, he'd only done a smattering of coloring for Marvel and inking for DC by this point, but Jurgens and/or Carlin let him do finishing art AND inks, and it really really works, right from the first page. And even Glen Whitmore seems to get the importance of this story and turns in possibly his most striking work yet at the start of this story, where Clark is lost and in darkness, but Pa Kent help him gain insight just as the dawn approaches: Just...wow. Even Simonson managed to maintain consistency with someone else's story for once, as almost everything Jurgens writes here is an accurate summation of Simonson's script last issue: ...except the kids last issue definitely didn't look "hysterical" to me: Oh well. Everything else lined up. Important Details:1. Clark and Superman's first meetings with Inspector Henderson both occurred as a result of the murder of the abused wife roughly a week into his dual career as Superman and reporter for the Daily Planet. 2. That murder taught Superman to use his brain more than his fists and to prioritize the law over his own sense of right and wrong. Minor Details:1. Okay, so for three years now, I've been tracking the appearances of Clark's neighbor, Andrea, who the writers seemed to have big plans for and then abruptly forgot about until she resurfaced recently, but a lot more than Andrea's appearance has changed in that time. Andrea three years ago: from Adventures of Superman #457Andrea now: from Adventures of Superman #493Back then, Andrea was implied to be single, and the letters page was strongly hinting she was a potential future love interest for Clark. Here, she has adolescent children, suggesting she's been married for well over a decade. More significantly, her full name (as of Adventures of Superman #465) was Andrea McElroy, but here her husband's last name is Johnson, and there's just no way that guy would have allowed his wife to keep her maiden name. So have Carlin and the writers just been careless, or is this an entirely different neighbor at this point? 2. Once again, I can't get enough of Clark and Lois' relationship, especially as it realistically acknowledges how his powers affect their everyday life together: 3. And I absolutely cannot believe they brought back this running gag from ages back: "Six-fifty" was a running joke that began in Action Comics #650 in which an alien driving a cab on the cover proclaims, "That'll be six-fifty, pal", presumably in honor of the anniversary issue number. It was then the exact cab fare in these stories countless times afterward, regardless of destination, until the cover price went up to a dollar and so, as a final joke, the cab fare went up as well. Only in the Superman Office is such attention paid to past continuity that a flashback inevitably has to incorporate an old and long-since-forgotten running gag in the office.
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Post by lordyam on Aug 27, 2024 9:27:07 GMT -5
What worked is that they treated everything with sensitivity. Superman is awesome but there are things that force alone will never solve. Lois's gentle touch was absolutely needed in this situation. They also made the husband somewhat sympathetic without downplaying what he did; the decision to have him seek help is a good one. It avoids outright redeeming him (which would be unrealistic) while still avoiding being bleak. Maybe he'll take the chance to be better, maybe he won't, but it leaves the door open.
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Post by chadwilliam on Aug 27, 2024 16:44:06 GMT -5
A very powerful storyline indeed.
I don't have much to add since I think you've covered things extremely well here, but a few points which stand out at me:
"While I personally would have handed it to anyone other than this office's weakest writing and penciling team, Weezy and Boggy manage to do a great job with it, anyway."
I think that Bogdanove's Superman with his ballooned up physique made him the best artist to set-up the "I was going to save the world, right all wrongs" approach outlined in part one before Jurgens with his more down to Earth rendering came in with the second half to deflate that guy. Plus, seeing as how Bogdanove has been injecting little Wayne Boring/Al Plastino flourishes into his work since day one, it would have been odd to have passed the squinty-eyed Superman flashback to Action Comics #1 assignment on to someone else.
Speaking of that flashback...
There's a part of me that bristles at the revelation that the wifebeater Superman kicks around in that flashback later murdered his wife. There's a much larger part of me that agrees with Jurgens taking this direction since it underscores the fact that good intentions can only accomplish so much, but still, I'm not so sure that the homage was necessary. "Wow, Dan - that was an incredibly affecting story you just told. I gotta say - seeing Superman screw up like that so badly early in his career hit me like a ton of bricks." "Hey don't blame me for that - blame Siegel and Shuster!"
On the other hand, it does finally merge the spirit of the original Superman with his Post-Crisis incarnation if only to make an argument for why that guy can't stick around. A Superman who'll grab the Mayor by the scruff of his neck, take him to the morgue, and force him to stare into the faces of people killed by drunk drivers allowed to act with impunity is going to be hunted by the police day and night and not starring in the stories this team wants to tell, but it's nice to get confirmation that that guy is still inside him somewhere.
"Just checked: six issues 'til Doomsday..."
With The Death of Superman leading into Funeral for a Friend leading into a brief hiatus leading into Reign of the Superman... I'm worried that Andrea Johnson is going to be forgotten about. Not that I expect a sequel to happen, but will the team remember that Clark and Lois should be checking up on her from time to time or does that get swept under the rug what with the distraction those major events will have upon this little two-parter six weeks away from Doomsday?
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Post by shaxper on Aug 27, 2024 20:44:07 GMT -5
I think that Bogdanove's Superman with his ballooned up physique made him the best artist to set-up the "I was going to save the world, right all wrongs" approach outlined in part one before Jurgens with his more down to Earth rendering came in with the second half to deflate that guy. Plus, seeing as how Bogdanove has been injecting little Wayne Boring/Al Plastino flourishes into his work since day one, it would have been odd to have passed the squinty-eyed Superman flashback to Action Comics #1 assignment on to someone else. Interesting points. I'm not sure any of this was consciously considered by Boggy nor Carlin at the time, but it does help me to appreciate Boggy's work on this story a bit more. Thanks for that insight! More than anything, I think it illustrates that this Superman is guided by a far more mature vision than the original empowerment fantasy. If you truly want to be the embodiment of good in the world, you don't get there with punches and clever one-liners. I sure hope we will see some follow-up, but with this ever-expanding cast, we've already practically lost sight of Cat Grant and Jose Delgado, we haven't seen Alice the intern in quite a while, and did Morgan Edge ever get his trial?? And, of course, we want to see more of Kitty Faulkner, keep abreast of Emil and Mildred, see how Bibbo, Highpockets and Lamar are doing, get caught up on the Jimmy Olsen/Lucy Lane thing, get to the wedding of Pete Ross and Lana Lang, find out what Rose/Thorn is up to, keep track of the various interpersonal dramas playing out at Lex Corp, and how's Maggie Sawyer's daughter these days? That's a whole lot to keep track of, and even 22 pages a week isn't enough space to do it with.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 30, 2024 5:25:26 GMT -5
Cosmic stuff and fisticuffs can work but there needs to be a purpose. The first three phases of the MCU, for all their flaws, told a complete story with a beginning a middle and an end. As such the final battle with Thanos felt like something earned, and it really felt like nothing would ever be the same again. I've actually been following a fan story called the Golden Age of Heroes (which is basically a reimagining of the golden age of heroes with a combination of goofiness and grounded storytelling). One of the plot points is that Superman blatantly intervenes in a case modelled after George Stinney en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stinney. At one point Superman does act like his Golden Age self (strong arming the actual killer into confessing his crimes to save the innocent kid from being executed) but in the context of the story it works because a.) the situation is charged enough that Superman has no time for bullshit (he's found the killer's lair and the trophies he's taken from other victims beforehand, and this is AFTER he's seen the misery the 14 year old kid endured while hiding on the Kent farm) and b.) it's implied that it WILL have consequences later on (a lot of southern politicians are furious that he dared intervene and expose the ugliness and hypocrisy, and this gives people in the government who hate Superman more room to push for funding to their projects. General Lane gets more funding for his work as a result). Moreover, the actual Stinney case was one of those cases so utterly fucked up that it would have been entirely justified for Golden Age Superman to do his thing (even by the standards of racial injustice in the south it was pretty bad) This inadvertently reminds me that it was only a few months earlier when Clark explained to Lois that To Kill A Mockingbird was the book that shaped him most. So righting injustice has always been central to who he is, but Atticus Finch isn't able to strong arm; he was to work within the system and accept that system even when it fails to bring justice by the close. Thanks for the information about this alternate take. I may need to check it out.
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Post by lordyam on Aug 31, 2024 8:57:49 GMT -5
Cosmic stuff and fisticuffs can work but there needs to be a purpose. The first three phases of the MCU, for all their flaws, told a complete story with a beginning a middle and an end. As such the final battle with Thanos felt like something earned, and it really felt like nothing would ever be the same again. I've actually been following a fan story called the Golden Age of Heroes (which is basically a reimagining of the golden age of heroes with a combination of goofiness and grounded storytelling). One of the plot points is that Superman blatantly intervenes in a case modelled after George Stinney en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stinney. At one point Superman does act like his Golden Age self (strong arming the actual killer into confessing his crimes to save the innocent kid from being executed) but in the context of the story it works because a.) the situation is charged enough that Superman has no time for bullshit (he's found the killer's lair and the trophies he's taken from other victims beforehand, and this is AFTER he's seen the misery the 14 year old kid endured while hiding on the Kent farm) and b.) it's implied that it WILL have consequences later on (a lot of southern politicians are furious that he dared intervene and expose the ugliness and hypocrisy, and this gives people in the government who hate Superman more room to push for funding to their projects. General Lane gets more funding for his work as a result). Moreover, the actual Stinney case was one of those cases so utterly fucked up that it would have been entirely justified for Golden Age Superman to do his thing (even by the standards of racial injustice in the south it was pretty bad) This inadvertently reminds me that it was only a few months earlier when Clark explained to Lois that To Kill A Mockingbird was the book that shaped him most. So righting injustice has always been central to who he is, but Atticus Finch isn't able to strong arm; he was to work within the system and accept that system even when it fails to bring justice by the close. Thanks for the information about this alternate take. I may need to check it out. You're welcome. It is fanfiction but it's very good fanfiction (the writer clearly did their homework trying to recreate the 1930s) and it honestly does a good job balancing the silliness of the golden age with the more grounded storytelling of the modern age. But yeah, a case based on George Stinney would probably be one of the only times Superman acting like his golden age self would by entirely justified (a 14 year old black boy was railroaded for murdering two white girls and executed; even at the time it was very controversial. At least one southern soldier wrote the governor asking Stinney be spared.) Nowadays it's widely accepted that George Burke Jr (whose father helped run the sawmill that was the center of life in the town) was the one who actually committed the murders, and that Stinney was railroaded to protect Burke Jr. Superman intervening to save an innocent black person in the deep south would help show that he really is a man of the people and not just a stooge.
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