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Post by Dr. Poison on May 26, 2015 6:10:50 GMT -5
So what was it exactly about the Convergence books that featured characters that you like that stopped you from buying them? Out of all of the Convergence books that I bought(around 2 dozen), most of them captured the exact essence and characterization of the classic characters that were featured in them. They also had their classic costumes and in some cases fought their classic adversaries. What more would you have liked to see DC do in order to get you to try these books? 1) The price point adding a dollar to the standard price point for the event to maximize revenue is not a way to get people to sample or support the book, it shows it for what it is-an attempt to generate revenue in the time of transition-I can get a 100+ page issue of Heavy Metal for $4 via subscription, why am I going to pay that much for less than half as many pages.... 2) I might be interested if the characters and their story were the central feature of the books, it's not, the paint by number editorial story of the event is the central feature, the characters are accessories to make that event more attractive, so I am not getting stories of these characters I am getting pieces of a bigger story that these characters are periphery to..I am being sold the bigger event story not something that allows these characters own stories to be told, so in the end I am not supporting these characters but more event comics, which I do not like in general and do not want more of 3) costumes and powers are not the heart of the appeal of these characters to me, it is their heart and soul-I do not care about Superman's red and blue suit in whatever variation or flying or super-strength, I care about stories of him as a man struggling to do what is right, his hopes, his inspiration his struggle to be Superman, not him hitting Braniac as his cape flaps in the wind or punching parasite through a wall into Lex Luthor's lab. Give me Clark struggling between man and Superman, balancing doing what is right and what is needed, give me stories that explore the character and the themes of heroism, not the trappings of them in empty stories with no consequences for characters or the reader. The best Superman stories (say Timm's Superman animated series as one example) were never about the costume or powers, they were about the man. Te same is true of other heroic characters as well. The Convergence tie ins to me was DC selling the trappings of the classic characters in a package to promote their event at a higher price point to generate more revenue. It has nothing to do with testing the market for books about classic characters and everything to do with getting as many people top buy the books they put out during the transition by whatever means necessary. And so that was the things about these books that made me not want to buy them. -M 1.) A Heavy Metal magazine is produced very differently than a comic book so comparing their prices seems like comparing apples to oranges to me. 2.) These characters stories are central to the Convergence books(or at least most of the ones I read). Nightwing and Oracle got their happy ending. The Huntress and Robin(both of whom are still reeling from the death of the original Batman) must decide who is going to take over for him. Hourman and Jesse Quick's baby is born. . The Convergence battles seem more secondary in these books than the actual characters' continued development. 3.) The classic characters hearts and souls are very much present in the Convergence books that I read. Ralph and Sue Dibny in JLA, Wonder Woman in Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter and Blue Beetle in JLI, and the JSA in JSA are prime examples of this. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 2, 2015 21:02:41 GMT -5
So, I was thinking... does Convergence pretty much completely invalidate Multiversity? SEems like that's gone from a Universe defining event to a Morrison Oddity.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 2, 2015 21:56:42 GMT -5
So what was it exactly about the Convergence books that featured characters that you like that stopped you from buying them? Out of all of the Convergence books that I bought(around 2 dozen), most of them captured the exact essence and characterization of the classic characters that were featured in them. They also had their classic costumes and in some cases fought their classic adversaries. What more would you have liked to see DC do in order to get you to try these books? 1) The price point adding a dollar to the standard price point for the event to maximize revenue is not a way to get people to sample or support the book, it shows it for what it is-an attempt to generate revenue in the time of transition-I can get a 100+ page issue of Heavy Metal for $4 via subscription, why am I going to pay that much for less than half as many pages.... 2) I might be interested if the characters and their story were the central feature of the books, it's not, the paint by number editorial story of the event is the central feature, the characters are accessories to make that event more attractive, so I am not getting stories of these characters I am getting pieces of a bigger story that these characters are periphery to..I am being sold the bigger event story not something that allows these characters own stories to be told, so in the end I am not supporting these characters but more event comics, which I do not like in general and do not want more of 3) costumes and powers are not the heart of the appeal of these characters to me, it is their heart and soul-I do not care about Superman's red and blue suit in whatever variation or flying or super-strength, I care about stories of him as a man struggling to do what is right, his hopes, his inspiration his struggle to be Superman, not him hitting Braniac as his cape flaps in the wind or punching parasite through a wall into Lex Luthor's lab. Give me Clark struggling between man and Superman, balancing doing what is right and what is needed, give me stories that explore the character and the themes of heroism, not the trappings of them in empty stories with no consequences for characters or the reader. The best Superman stories (say Timm's Superman animated series as one example) were never about the costume or powers, they were about the man. Te same is true of other heroic characters as well. The Convergence tie ins to me was DC selling the trappings of the classic characters in a package to promote their event at a higher price point to generate more revenue. It has nothing to do with testing the market for books about classic characters and everything to do with getting as many people top buy the books they put out during the transition by whatever means necessary. And so that was the things about these books that made me not want to buy them. -M The characters were the focus of these books, I stopped buying the main event after the zero issue because it didn't seem like my kind of thing but the other titles were fantastic; like lost issues finally seeing the light of day with only really the smallest of connection to the event itself which you didn't need to enjoy the stories. Now I don't think this was an experiment to test the market, it was a band aid event to cover the move pure and simple but it produced some really fun books. |
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 3, 2015 19:49:40 GMT -5
So, I was thinking... does Convergence pretty much completely invalidate Multiversity? SEems like that's gone from a Universe defining event to a Morrison Oddity. At most I'd say it adds more Earths, the framework of Multiversity is otherwise unaffected. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 3, 2015 21:39:38 GMT -5
It could work like that, yes, but if Crisis didn't happen, then there was never only 52 worlds... though I suppose one could assume the 52 worlds of multiversity is a little corner of a great multiverse.
Or, yes, you could plop a whole bunch more things into it, but with Crisis not happening, I think that means we're back to the old school 'there's as many worlds as we want' multiverse, so I'm not sure the Morrison structure works for that.
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