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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 14:15:49 GMT -5
I still want to know about this fruit thing.
I'm not understanding how processed sugars could be better than natural fructose in fruit.
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Post by the4thpip on Jun 5, 2015 14:20:54 GMT -5
For years, they thought that the fructose found in fruit was healthier for diabetics than the glucose from industrialized sugar. When they found out that the opposite is true, an entire section of food from the diet section of the supermarket just disappeared here in Germany. For decades, we'd been poisoning our diabetics with fructose! Wait, what? What is this??? How is...processed/industrialized sugar better for diabetics than natural fructose from fruit? And where the Hell have I been that I did not get this information? My mom was a type 1 diabetic my entire life. It was major news here, because the market for those products was so big. Some of them get replaced by stuff like chocolate with stevia now. Here is an English language article: Added fructose identified as major driver of type 2 diabetes 'epidemic' |
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Post by the4thpip on Jun 5, 2015 14:26:21 GMT -5
I still want to know about this fruit thing. I'm not understanding how processed sugars could be better than natural fructose in fruit. Haven't looked at this site long enough to decide if it's trustworthy, but this makes sense at first look: authoritynutrition.com/why-is-fructose-bad-for-you/ |
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Post by the4thpip on Jun 5, 2015 14:31:21 GMT -5
Of course, fruit contains so much water and fibre that you can eat pretty much as much as you want, the problem is when fructose is added instead of sucrose.
But one should also consider how much fruit goes into producing a small bottle of fruit juice... something like a dozen oranges. It's not natural to consume so much fruit in one sitting, and it might be better to dilute your fruit juice with water. It's more refreshing that way, too.
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Post by marvelmaniac on Jun 5, 2015 18:48:17 GMT -5
Depending on what you are looking for in your diet.
Fructose is metabolized in the Liver and DOES NOT trigger an insulin response so for people like me looking for low GI foods for Blood Sugar issues Fructose is not an issue.
Because Fructose does not trigger an insulin response you do not feel as full as you would eating carbs that produce Glucose and DO trigger an insulin response.
If you are just looking at calories then all sugars(Fructose and Glucose) need to be used in Moderation.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 5, 2015 22:57:35 GMT -5
Day 19 in review
Didn't realize I had a party to go tonight, so there went the diet. Ate way too many bad things, but I know from past experience I'll bounce back in a few days. I'm not worried. I have another party on Monday, but I should be able to stick to the diet for the rest of the weekend and keep Sunday family brunch reasonable.
Really glad I hit 250 this morning. Going astray tonight would have been a lot harder on morale otherwise. I agree with Trebor that it's important to find the balance -- enjoy cheating when the moment is right (and it was tonight) as long as you can recover and get back on the horse the next day. Too spartan a diet kills morale in the long run.
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Post by the4thpip on Jun 6, 2015 3:54:15 GMT -5
Depending on what you are looking for in your diet. Fructose is metabolized in the Liver and DOES NOT trigger an insulin response so for people like me looking for low GI foods for Blood Sugar issues Fructose is not an issue. Because Fructose does not trigger an insulin response you do not feel as full as you would eating carbs that produce Glucose and DO trigger an insulin response. If you are just looking at calories then all sugars(Fructose and Glucose) need to be used in Moderation. Check the links I provided. You are spreading (again, like with the celery) what is likely to be outdated information. New research suggests that fructose is more harmful than glucose, though not in the amounts contained in solid fruit. And the fact that it does not trigger an insulin response might be part of what makes fructose so harmful: ajcn.nutrition.org/content/76/5/911.full |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 6, 2015 7:31:56 GMT -5
Day 20
My starting weight: 265 lbs
My ideal weight for my height: 185 lbs
My goal: 220 lbs by August (15 lbs per month for three months)
Today's weigh in: 252 lbs. (+2 lb from yesterday, -13 lbs overall).
This was to be expected after last night, even just considering all the undigested food I'm still carrying. No worries.
Weekends are always more of a challenge for me, but I think I can stay the course today. The hardest part will be dinner at my mother's (I'm bringing mine) because she has SO many tempting unhealthy snacks lying around.
My plan for today:
Breakfast: 1 serving of vanilla yogurt with sliced fresh banana mixed in. Multivitamin and Calcium/Magnesium supplement. Green tea (as per the4thpip)
Lunch: Three slices of American cheese on non-enriched wheat bread.
Throughout the day snack: Half a serving of dry Frosted Mini-Wheats (for iron and fiber)
Dinner: Chicken breast marinated in soy and cumin, fresh steamed spinach.
Other snacks (if needed): garlic clove, banana, baby carrots, sliced pineapple, raw unsalted cashews
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 6, 2015 8:06:22 GMT -5
I still want to know about this fruit thing. I'm not understanding how processed sugars could be better than natural fructose in fruit. It's not better. From what i'm understanding, they are saying that even fruit has to be controlled. Eating a fruit is healthier than eating the added sugars in soda, candy and other foods. But it doesn't mean you can have unlimited fruit. It can be too much sugar as well. The amount of fruit that I'm eating is working for me and the fiber and vitamins are a upgrade from the zero I got from pastries and candy bars. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 6, 2015 8:23:28 GMT -5
This is Day 11
Start date: 5-27-15
My starting weight: 218 lbs
My goal: 180 lbs
Today's weigh in: 211 (+2 from yesterday, -7 overall)
430am 2 bananas/ coffee
715am ham, cheese, baguette bread , mayo/ coffee
12pm tangerines
1pm chicken , cole slaw, seltzer
730pm 1 beer
10:30 pm chicken parmiagana, lasgne, salad, pasta
215am tangerines, grapes
Review of the day:
I made decisions yesterday that echoed shax's strategy to not overly deprive myself for the purpose of not making my life miserable. In the morning I had bread with ham and cheese. In the evening I had a beer and ate a very late Carb filled meal that shot up my weight. I met with my High school class mates for a reunion and It was going to be a night of cheating. I knew that going in. But I'm in it for the long haul so I won't get excited by the 2 pound gain.
Today I am, again, meeting with former classmates so I might indulge in social drinking. I plan to watch what I eat more closely today despite meeting with them.
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Post by marvelmaniac on Jun 6, 2015 8:24:07 GMT -5
Depending on what you are looking for in your diet. Fructose is metabolized in the Liver and DOES NOT trigger an insulin response so for people like me looking for low GI foods for Blood Sugar issues Fructose is not an issue. Because Fructose does not trigger an insulin response you do not feel as full as you would eating carbs that produce Glucose and DO trigger an insulin response. If you are just looking at calories then all sugars(Fructose and Glucose) need to be used in Moderation. Check the links I provided. You are spreading (again, like with the celery) what is likely to be outdated information. New research suggests that fructose is more harmful than glucose, though not in the amounts contained in solid fruit. And the fact that it does not trigger an insulin response might be part of what makes fructose so harmful: ajcn.nutrition.org/content/76/5/911.fullWell the fact is... Research changes its mind every week, this week something is bad, next week its a super food... I only eat one serving of fruit per day and my goal was to lower blood sugar levels which I have done. Changed my diet, eating a lot of nuts/tree bark/twigs and leaves as I like to put it(and still eat my Beef Ravioli EVERY night) and lost 16 lbs to this point with NO exercise and lowered my blood sugar by 30 points(which is what I care about) and I have no cravings for junk foods including but not limited to... Pizza, Hoagies, Chips, Candy, Ice Cream, Cakes etc. and have no issue controlling myself when out and away from home regardless of what others are eating, I do not concern myself with cholesterol because I know mine was high(Genetic) and Lipitor keeps it under control(180 total/90 LDL/56 HDL/125 TRI)but thats me, as I stated before, I do not get excited about food so it is not an issue to not eat it. Last weekend we were in Ocean City N.J. on the boardwalk and the family was eating pizza, funnel cake, fries, ice cream and I was not interested even though I used to LOVE Funnel Cake and all I had was 1 Dilly Bar(Sugar Free) from Dairy Queen. I am around people in my Family that are always watching calories, its all about the calories then they find a way to justify cheating, Holidays, Birthday Party, etc and they all say, "I will start my diet again tomorrow" and they have all been "starting their diet tomorrow" for years. I have no such problems with food so I will end this rant by saying... GOOD LUCK to all of you who are trying to lose weight and doing it by just looking at calorie intake and throwing all "Good" foods out the window because it contains this or that or because research says it may do this or that instead of just getting rid of the "Junk" and eating "Proper Portions". |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 6, 2015 8:37:51 GMT -5
Check the links I provided. You are spreading (again, like with the celery) what is likely to be outdated information. New research suggests that fructose is more harmful than glucose, though not in the amounts contained in solid fruit. And the fact that it does not trigger an insulin response might be part of what makes fructose so harmful: ajcn.nutrition.org/content/76/5/911.fullWell the fact is... Research changes its mind every week, this week something is bad, next week its a super food... I only eat one serving of fruit per day and my goal was to lower blood sugar levels which I have done. Changed my diet, eating a lot of nuts/tree bark/twigs and leaves as I like to put it(and still eat my Beef Ravioli EVERY night) and lost 16 lbs to this point with NO exercise and lowered my blood sugar by 30 points(which is what I care about) and I have no cravings for junk foods including but not limited to... Pizza, Hoagies, Chips, Candy, Ice Cream, Cakes etc. and have no issue controlling myself when out and away from home regardless of what others are eating, I do not concern myself with cholesterol because I know mine was high(Genetic) and Lipitor keeps it under control(180 total/90 LDL/56 HDL/125 TRI)but thats me, as I stated before, I do not get excited about food so it is not an issue to not eat it. Last weekend we were in Ocean City N.J. on the boardwalk and the family was eating pizza, funnel cake, fries, ice cream and I was not interested even though I used to LOVE Funnel Cake and all I had was 1 Dilly Bar(Sugar Free) from Dairy Queen. I am around people in my Family that are always watching calories, its all about the calories then they find a way to justify cheating, Holidays, Birthday Party, etc and they all say, "I will start my diet again tomorrow" and they have all been "starting their diet tomorrow" for years. I have no such problems with food so I will end this rant by saying... GOOD LUCK to all of you who are trying to lose weight and doing it by just looking at calorie intake and throwing all "Good" foods out the window because it contains this or that or because research says it may do this or that instead of just getting rid of the "Junk" and eating "Proper Portions". Great post. It's true that when you subtract the junk foods, you don't have the same attraction to it like before. I am around people in my Family that are always watching calories, its all about the calories then they find a way to justify cheating, Holidays, Birthday Party, etc and they all say, "I will start my diet again tomorrow" and they have all been "starting their diet tomorrow" for years.
Awesome statement. It's true, but I can see what shax and I are doing is a form of "controlled cheating". Just because I might have a beer doesn't mean I'm going to have 6 beers. As for the choice of foods, I stand by the philosophy that the closer a food is to it's natural state, the better it is for you. If it comes from a plant, eat it. If it's made in a plant , don't eat it. |
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Post by marvelmaniac on Jun 6, 2015 9:48:04 GMT -5
People also eat something(cheat as they put it) that is high in calories at breakfast or lunch and then at dinner say I only have so many calories left so they starve themselves at that meal, I am not a doctor but that cannot be healthy.
The perfect example of sticking to your eating habits is...
I spend the weekends at my Son's house to see my Grandkids and as easy as it would be to just eat what they have in the house and justify that by saying" I am going out so..." I do not do that.
I texted my Daughter In Law and asked "do you have any Whole Wheat Bread and Salad Stuff(which she knows is lettuce, tomato, cucumber) and she said no so I will stop at Walmart on the way there.
I also keep my Cereals(All Bran, Kashi Go Lean) Unsalted Peanuts, Tuna and Veggies(Brussel Sprouts, Asparagus, Spinach, Cauliflower) at their house for me when I am there.
Was just reading that Apples are one of the highest Fructose fruits so what ever happened to "an apple a day keeps the doctor away"?
Also, now McDonalds offers apples with their Happy Meals and the kids love them.
It all comes down to everything in moderation.
Just got done with Breakfast...
1/2 cup of Kellogs All Bran with 1/2 cup of 2% milk, 3 handfuls of Unsalted Peanuts and 1 tablespoon of Chia Seeds.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 6, 2015 9:56:16 GMT -5
People also eat something(cheat as they put it) that is high in calories at breakfast or lunch and then at dinner say I only have so many calories left so they starve themselves at that meal, I am not a doctor but that cannot be healthy. When I spent a week in Chile, the last meal was the smallest, by far. I understand that there are other countries that do the same. It is a better way to eat than eating the biggest meal at the end of the day when the activity level will drop to nothing. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 6, 2015 9:57:28 GMT -5
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