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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 24, 2018 12:38:39 GMT -5
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 24, 2018 17:55:19 GMT -5
Of course, when Rachel Madcow, Don Lemonhead and Jim Acosta are doing the same to Trump, or worse for their respective networks, not a word from Hellary or her adoring fans on this board. After all, cries of hypocrisy only works one way in this place. I don't think anyone would claim MSNBC is unbiased, and certainly CNN has a liberal slant. Don Lemon doesn't pretend to be unbiased, at least the few times I've watched him. That said, the truth is still the truth, and Fox regularly disregards it. I don't watch much network news, but when something big is happening I'll often check it out... it's amazing how different the same information can be portrayed. Even the election projects are totally different sometimes. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 24, 2018 18:44:40 GMT -5
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Post by The Captain on Nov 24, 2018 19:14:09 GMT -5
Of course, when Rachel Madcow, Don Lemonhead and Jim Acosta are doing the same to Trump, or worse for their respective networks, not a word from Hellary or her adoring fans on this board. After all, cries of hypocrisy only works one way in this place. I'm not a Hillary fan in the least. I'm a fan of rational, adult discourse, which is not something that has been coming out of the White House in nearly the past two years. As for the folks you mention, they do have their biases, to be sure, but they don't make things up, like Fox News routinely does. As wildfire2099 so succinctly put it, the truth is the truth, and to add to that, facts are facts. Fox News parrots the outright lies that pour forth from Donald Trump's mouth and Twitter account, selling their viewers a false bill of goods, such as calling the caravan of migrants escaping violence and destitution in Central America an "invasion" or saying they have to come to the United States legally, conveniently omitting the fact that requesting asylum, which is what those folks plan to do, is the very definition of "legal" under the law of the land. Fox News has a limited audience, that being straight, white, mostly male Christians, who don't want to see their dominance in the United States come to an end. They pander to their fears, making things out to be ever worsening, while at the same time trumpeting (pun intended) every little thing that happens to go right while Trump sits in office, whether it has anything to do with him (which is usually doesn't) while baldly ignoring the fact that the United States' stature and reputation around the globe has done nothing but plummet since November 2016 and continues to do so on a daily basis as the Creamsicle-colored buffoon sits in the Oval Office. As well, at least CNN didn't have any of its people appear at a Hillary or Obama rally under the auspices of being an impartial reporter, only to have them go on stage to stump and shill for the president, his chosen candidates, and his agenda like Sean Hannity recently did. That image buried once and for all any doubt that Fox News isn't 100% in the tank for Donald Trump, marrying themselves to him with their most popular host taking the role of cheerleader for the POTUS. They need to just drop the "News", because they don't report anything near to being the news or the truth or actual facts, just the information they want their viewers to take in and use to fuel their hatred against anything that doesn't look, think, or act like them. |
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Post by The Captain on Nov 24, 2018 19:48:09 GMT -5
Fox News has a limited audience
Please disprove this then.
Fox News Channel finished the third quarter of 2018 as the most-watched cable news network among total viewers for the 67th consecutive quarter, according to Nielsen Media Research.
FNC was also the top rated cable news network among the key demo of adults age 25-54 for the 67th straight quarter and has now won primetime for 42 consecutive quarters.
Fox News – which celebrates its 22nd anniversary this weekend – averaged 1.4 million total viewers during the third quarter, compared to 1 million for MSNBC and only 722,000 for CNN. Both Fox News and MSNBC gained viewers compared to the third quarter of 2017, but CNN was down nine percent.
During the primetime hours of 8-11 p.m. ET, Fox News averaged 2.5 million viewers – up 14 percent from Q3 2017 -- compared to 1.9 million for MSNBC and 1 million for CNN. Both MSNBC and CNN saw a decline compared to last year.
When I wrote "audience", I was using it to refer to a "demographic", not as the actual number of viewers. I know that Fox News has a large audience in terms of viewers, because there is nowhere else for the folks who fall into their target demographic to go to get their batsh$t crazy right-wing conspiracies and talking points or to have their racist fury fueled. You knew that, of course, and ignored the other points I made because you have no actual legitimate argument against any of them. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 24, 2018 20:01:40 GMT -5
You knew that, of course, and ignored the other points I made because you have no actual legitimate argument against any of them.
You mean...like saying you're a fan of rational, adult discourse and then calling Trump a Creamsicle-colored buffoon?
Spoken by the person who called CNN commentator Don Lemon "Lemonhead." |
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Post by The Captain on Nov 24, 2018 20:31:22 GMT -5
Spoken by the person who called CNN commentator Don Lemon "Lemonhead."
Oh I'm pretty straightforward with labels Hal...but saying you're a fan of a rational, adult discourse having insulted the crap out of the POTUS and his daughter throughout this thread does take away from that.
Please stop. I'm just some random guy on the internet with an audience of exactly the number of people who come here and read my posts, which I would venture to say is less than 100, if even that many. Donald Trump routinely insults anyone he feels is beneath him, who has crossed him, or feels is an enemy. He started an argument with Kim Jong Un that devolved into a penis-measuring contest. He has given crude and/or childish nicknames to any number of people, including moat Democrats, Republicans who don't toe his personal line, and more than a few people within his own administration. Just last week, he referred to elected Democrat Adam Schiff as Adam "Schitt" in a tweet. He has lowered the level of discourse coming from the Oval Office essentially to schoolyard bullying, and Fox News never calls him on it, instead covering for his childishness. Again, you're smart enough to know where I was going with my comment, but you choose to deflect by nitpicking. It's sad, because you could probably present at least a cohesive counter-argument, but you don't even make an effort to do so. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 24, 2018 21:44:29 GMT -5
Spoken by the person who called CNN commentator Don Lemon "Lemonhead."
Oh I'm pretty straightforward with labels Hal...but saying you're a fan of a rational, adult discourse having insulted the crap out of the POTUS and his daughter throughout this thread does take away from that.
What's good for the goose... |
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 25, 2018 0:32:11 GMT -5
I wonder if a lot of non-extreme principled and genuinely patriotic people in the middle could still get a third party off the ground without becoming scapegoat to someone else losing? I see both parties going further to the fringes in the U.S. and it's not looking like swinging back anytime soon.  |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 25, 2018 0:40:19 GMT -5
I wonder if a lot of non-extreme principled and genuinely patriotic people in the middle could still get a third party off the ground without becoming scapegoat to someone else losing? I see both parties going further to the fringes in the U.S. and it's not looking like swinging back anytime soon. What extremes? The Democratic Party is to the right of most center parties anywhere else in the world. There is virtually no “left” in the US. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 25, 2018 0:52:36 GMT -5
I wonder if a lot of non-extreme principled and genuinely patriotic people in the middle could still get a third party off the ground without becoming scapegoat to someone else losing? I see both parties going further to the fringes in the U.S. and it's not looking like swinging back anytime soon. What extremes? The Democratic Party is to the right of most center parties anywhere else in the world. There is virtually no “left” in the US. I'm thinking of Bernie Sanders, Maxine Waters, and Elizabeth Warren here, and various 'antifa' type movement people (often using act up which should've stayed for the fight to raise awareness about AIDS/HIV and funding towards combating and curing it). It hasn't happened, but if it does in reaction to what's going on with the other major brand... People chanting at folks in restaurants, that kind of thing is starting to appear on the left fringe. I've always felt if you don't like name-calling you don't like name-calling and try to avoid it (though I'm not absolutist on that but it says something about people who indulge quite easily in that whole thing). I hardly need to call Trump an idiot, he speaks for himself in such volume, nor is chanting at him on a street my idea of progressive. I guess I'm with Michele Obama (and boy, did some people go stupid attacking her, very bizarre). Do unto others as ye etc. it just seems like kids are taking over all around with antics. I liked Don Lemon when he was spearheading getting attention for that Confederate flag flying ion front of a public building and how offensive it was for many. I wrote a letter to a magazine decades ago (and published) about that very state's flag flying stating how people should come before a thing (flag, statue, cake), you listen to and choose the people over a symbol. If it took Don Lemon to get something changed there after all that time I have a lot of respect for that. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 25, 2018 4:05:33 GMT -5
Sanders, Waters and Warren, or Pelosi for that matter, are not even close to extreme. Just because certain genuinely extremist right-wing media outlets or the foul-mouthed president may call them that doesn't make it so.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 25, 2018 8:31:35 GMT -5
What extremes? The Democratic Party is to the right of most center parties anywhere else in the world. There is virtually no “left” in the US. I'm thinking of Bernie Sanders, Maxine Waters, and Elizabeth Warren here, and various 'antifa' type movement people (often using act up which should've stayed for the fight to raise awareness about AIDS/HIV and funding towards combating and curing it). It hasn't happened, but if it does in reaction to what's going on with the other major brand... People chanting at folks in restaurants, that kind of thing is starting to appear on the left fringe. I've always felt if you don't like name-calling you don't like name-calling and try to avoid it (though I'm not absolutist on that but it says something about people who indulge quite easily in that whole thing). I hardly need to call Trump an idiot, he speaks for himself in such volume, nor is chanting at him on a street my idea of progressive. I guess I'm with Michele Obama (and boy, did some people go stupid attacking her, very bizarre). Do unto others as ye etc. it just seems like kids are taking over all around with antics. I liked Don Lemon when he was spearheading getting attention for that Confederate flag flying ion front of a public building and how offensive it was for many. I wrote a letter to a magazine decades ago (and published) about that very state's flag flying stating how people should come before a thing (flag, statue, cake), you listen to and choose the people over a symbol. If it took Don Lemon to get something changed there after all that time I have a lot of respect for that. But none of those people you mentioned are radicals. Sanders is arguably the furthest left of any of them and he’d be dead center to center-left in pretty much any other other industialized country. Politics in the US skews extremely right. The fact that most Americans don’t understand political philosophy or economic systems and the nuts in the Republican Party and on right-wing media call everyone left of Francisco Franco a Communist doesn’t make it so. |
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Post by berkley on Nov 25, 2018 20:21:03 GMT -5
I'm thinking of Bernie Sanders, Maxine Waters, and Elizabeth Warren here, and various 'antifa' type movement people (often using act up which should've stayed for the fight to raise awareness about AIDS/HIV and funding towards combating and curing it). It hasn't happened, but if it does in reaction to what's going on with the other major brand... People chanting at folks in restaurants, that kind of thing is starting to appear on the left fringe. I've always felt if you don't like name-calling you don't like name-calling and try to avoid it (though I'm not absolutist on that but it says something about people who indulge quite easily in that whole thing). I hardly need to call Trump an idiot, he speaks for himself in such volume, nor is chanting at him on a street my idea of progressive. I guess I'm with Michele Obama (and boy, did some people go stupid attacking her, very bizarre). Do unto others as ye etc. it just seems like kids are taking over all around with antics. I liked Don Lemon when he was spearheading getting attention for that Confederate flag flying ion front of a public building and how offensive it was for many. I wrote a letter to a magazine decades ago (and published) about that very state's flag flying stating how people should come before a thing (flag, statue, cake), you listen to and choose the people over a symbol. If it took Don Lemon to get something changed there after all that time I have a lot of respect for that. But none of those people you mentioned are radicals. Sanders is arguably the furthest left of any of them and he’d be dead center to center-left in pretty much any other other industialized country. Politics in the US skews extremely right. The fact that most Americans don’t understand political philosophy or economic systems and the nuts in the Republican Party and on right-wing media call everyone left of Francisco Franco a Communist doesn’t make it so. And I think it's only fair to point out that even in the US itself not too many years ago his proposals wouldn't have been seen as radically left-wing. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 25, 2018 21:54:11 GMT -5
Fox News has a limited audience
Please disprove this then.
Fox News Channel finished the third quarter of 2018 as the most-watched cable news network among total viewers for the 67th consecutive quarter, according to Nielsen Media Research.
FNC was also the top rated cable news network among the key demo of adults age 25-54 for the 67th straight quarter and has now won primetime for 42 consecutive quarters.
Fox News – which celebrates its 22nd anniversary this weekend – averaged 1.4 million total viewers during the third quarter, compared to 1 million for MSNBC and only 722,000 for CNN. Both Fox News and MSNBC gained viewers compared to the third quarter of 2017, but CNN was down nine percent.
During the primetime hours of 8-11 p.m. ET, Fox News averaged 2.5 million viewers – up 14 percent from Q3 2017 -- compared to 1.9 million for MSNBC and 1 million for CNN. Both MSNBC and CNN saw a decline compared to last year.
That proves that ALL the cable news networks have limited audiences, not just Fox... perhaps we should stop worrying about them so much  |
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