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Post by Rob Allen on Mar 28, 2019 21:52:57 GMT -5
White people aren't all evil, or rich - but white people have some automatic advantages in American society. Not because of conscious, malevolent racism, just because there are so many of us who have been here so long that whiteness seems like the normal default and non-whiteness seems deviant. All white people in the US benefit from this to some degree; some of us know it and some don't.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 29, 2019 7:22:08 GMT -5
White people aren't all evil, or rich - but white people have some automatic advantages in American society. Not because of conscious, malevolent racism, just because there are so many of us who have been here so long that whiteness seems like the normal default and non-whiteness seems deviant. All white people in the US benefit from this to some degree; some of us know it and some don't. I’d say that it is not a matter of knowing it, but of agreeing on how much it matters. True, being “normal” (that is, looking, talking and having habits that put us in a majority) can be an advantage. But it doesn’t mean that said advantage is so important that it has a significant impact on our life, and certainly not in all aspects of it. Do people suffer from the fact that the “skin color” crayon is mostly understood to mean beige? Do southpaws suffer from not easily finding left-handed scissors? Did my grandma (at 4 foot 11) suffer from not being able to reach the top shelf? We are rarely in the majority on every aspect; that does not mean we endure systematic discrimination in the instances where we are not. When it comes to skin color, it is of course more serious. The United States had a long history of discrimination based on skin color, and despite the progress made since the civic rights battles of the ‘60s, there are still important echoes of racism pervading society. But how much these echoes impact society in general (how much racism truly is systemic), and how much they reflect local problems or socio-economic conditions is not that clear-cut. I’d argue that being poor has a massively more important and detrimental effect on someone’s quality of life than one not being caucasian. Ditto for being less than handsome, fat, uneducated, socially awkward or living in an economically disadvantaged region. People have always, and will always, have a natural tendency to distinguish “them” from “us”... we are a tribal sort of creature. Skin color is only one of the factors that can influence our seeing someone else as being part of our group or not, and while in some situations it has a lot of weight, sometimes it doesn’t matter at all. Lecturing unemployed workers in an economically challenged county that’s 99% caucasian on white privilege is not only pointless, it also angers them. They don’t feel privileged at all, and they will resent being told they should feel guilty about something that’s irrelevant to their own daily reality. Worse, they will probably also tend to resent those doing the lecturing and the ones they claim to represent, thus leading not to more social equality and acceptance, but to more hostility and division. “White privilege” is a very broad term that conflates many different social problems not particularly related to skin color, and its implied connection to the horrors of slavery is both very polarizing and unlikely to lead to anything good. As Warmonger said, the concept and the reaction to it helped elect Donald Trump.
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Post by impulse on Mar 29, 2019 9:30:09 GMT -5
With the insane conspiracy theories they’ve concocted over the last 2+ years See, here is the thing. Others have made points about the other things you talked about, so i will just focus on this. What do you mean by insane conspiracy theories? If you are suggesting that all of the accusations of working with Russians and various crimes are false, we know for a fact that is false on its face. There have been legit convictions and guilty pleas by people directly in Trump's campaign, administration, and businesses left and right. There is indisputable proof. They have the emails, the documents, in some cases confessions. Does it rise to the level for criminal indictment for proof beyond a reasonable doubt? Maybe not, but to suggest it is all baseless is just divorced from reality. How do you answer that? Do you not believe any of the crimes are real? Do you believe all of the indictments are fake? Do you think they planted evidence? Do you think it's lies? If you agree it's not fake, how do you reconcile still supporting this guy in light of how much mud he is involved in? I am not trying to be argumentative. I really want to understand because from the outside it is very difficult to reconcile how people are still supporting this guy in 2019 in light of what we know. Re: Barr's summary of the report, far better legal experts than us have basically said he lawyered the shit out of it to convey the message he wanted without technically anything untrue. I cannot trust any conclusions about the report until Congress gets a chance to see the actual report.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 29, 2019 23:24:05 GMT -5
Linda McMahon steps down from the Small Business Administration to head a pro-Trump Super PAC. Kick a bunch of money Trump's way and you get appointed to a meaningless government post (the SBA exists to ensure banks don't lose out for lending money for start-ups) and get rewarded with a bigger job that filters money to your super-rich buddies. And, hey, who cares about the business practices of your own company?
The McMahon's and Trump go way back, with Wrestlemania 4 and 5 being held in Atlantic City, with Trump sponsorship, and his involvement in pro wrestling angles, in the 00s. The McMahons donated something like $5 million to trumps phony charity, which got her the SBA gig, after two failed campaigns for the Senate, in Connecticut (where the WWE's history was a major factor in torpedoing her campaign). She became one of Trump's cabinet of butt-kissers and did F-all in the agency (which does F-all to really stimulate small business development) and now gets to head a con to funnel more money to the Cheese Monster. Not bad for a carnie.
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Post by impulse on Mar 30, 2019 21:07:38 GMT -5
Still no answer on how one reconciles the rampant corruption we know about Trump and those in his orbit with still supporting him in 2019? Ah, well.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 1, 2019 9:30:24 GMT -5
Linda McMahon steps down from the Small Business Administration to head a pro-Trump Super PAC. Kick a bunch of money Trump's way and you get appointed to a meaningless government post (the SBA exists to ensure banks don't lose out for lending money for start-ups) and get rewarded with a bigger job that filters money to your super-rich buddies. And, hey, who cares about the business practices of your own company? The McMahon's and Trump go way back, with Wrestlemania 4 and 5 being held in Atlantic City, with Trump sponsorship, and his involvement in pro wrestling angles, in the 00s. The McMahons donated something like $5 million to trumps phony charity, which got her the SBA gig, after two failed campaigns for the Senate, in Connecticut (where the WWE's history was a major factor in torpedoing her campaign). She became one of Trump's cabinet of butt-kissers and did F-all in the agency (which does F-all to really stimulate small business development) and now gets to head a con to funnel more money to the Cheese Monster. Not bad for a carnie. The McMahon business model and Trump's are near-duplicates. Screw the workers, keep the money in the family, accept responsibility for nothing.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 1, 2019 9:41:32 GMT -5
Still no answer on how one reconciles the rampant corruption we know about Trump and those in his orbit with still supporting him in 2019? Ah, well. Individual One has brought on an eminently qualified and compassionate public servant to be one of his point-men on the GOP's new health care plan, billionaire Senator Rick Scott of Florida. For those unaware of Scott's sterling background as a leader in enlightened healthcare, some bits of info from the Orlando Sentinel: "'They [Senators Scott, Barrasos, and Cassidy] are going to come up with something really spectacular,' Trump told reporters Thursday. Scott’s new role is a long way from his political origins in 2009 and 2010, when as one of the earliest critics of Obamacare, he launched ads arguing that pre-existing condition protections would cause premiums to skyrocket... Scott also was the CEO of the hospital company Columbia/HCA in the 1990s, who resigned four months after a federal inquiry into the company was made public. The company was later fined $1.7 billion in 2000 and 2007 for what was then the largest case of Medicare fraud in history." So, bring in a known looter to oversee your healthcare "plan," a guy dead-set against the notion that pre-existing conditions should be covered. Only the best people. Your mission, Trump supporters, is to explain just how far your cognitive dissonance can be stretched.
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Post by impulse on Apr 1, 2019 10:30:08 GMT -5
Your mission, Trump supporters, is to explain just how far your cognitive dissonance can be stretched. I would be thrilled to be proven wrong and hear a cogent and persuasive answer, but if past history to date is much indication, they can't or won't. This is not a blanket statement by any means. It's just that in my personal experience, the only way to reconcile all of that is to...well, ignore it. Someone please change my mind.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 1, 2019 10:46:20 GMT -5
Your mission, Trump supporters, is to explain just how far your cognitive dissonance can be stretched. I would be thrilled to be proven wrong and hear a cogent and persuasive answer, but if past history to date is much indication, they can't or won't. This is not a blanket statement by any means. It's just that in my personal experience, the only way to reconcile all of that is to...well, ignore it. Someone please change my mind. As Holmes says, "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Except I don't know how improbable the truth really is in this case. Too many previous indicators.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 3, 2019 10:29:04 GMT -5
Anybody have a copy of Secret Oranges#1? Good issue. Features the secret oranges of several notorious super-villains, including the Mexican Boarder; Dee Mocracy; and the Mueller.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 3, 2019 10:39:20 GMT -5
Anybody have a copy of Secret Oranges#1? Good issue. Features the secret oranges of several notorious super-villains, including the Mexican Boarder; Dee Mocracy; and the Mueller. I don't know, man. When it's Mexican Boarder's turn to cook, the food is fabulous...
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 3, 2019 14:07:21 GMT -5
Coming in the next issue:
"The Secret Orange of Cancer!"
SPOILER ALERT: Windmill Noise...
"If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value. And they say the noise causes cancer. You tell me that one, okay? Rerrrr rerrrr!"
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 3, 2019 15:23:41 GMT -5
Anybody have a copy of Secret Oranges#1? Good issue. Features the secret oranges of several notorious super-villains, including the Mexican Boarder; Dee Mocracy; and the Mueller. Written by P.P. Bonespur, right? Fair warning: the ending is disappointing. Just as with the Cylons in the revamped Battlestar Galactica, the line "...and they have a plan" was not true. The plot is basically made up as they go, and the mess at the end can only be resolved by a miracle.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 3, 2019 15:35:04 GMT -5
Anybody have a copy of Secret Oranges#1? Good issue. Features the secret oranges of several notorious super-villains, including the Mexican Boarder; Dee Mocracy; and the Mueller. Written by P.P. Bonespur, right? Fair warning: the ending is disappointing. Just as with the Cylons in the revamped Battlestar Galactica, the line "...and they have a plan" was not true. The plot is basically made up as they go, and the mess at the end can only be resolved by a miracle.Ah, yes, the famous "Inanity War" saga with the Celestial Maralago.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 4, 2019 0:04:15 GMT -5
Anybody have a copy of Secret Oranges#1? Good issue. Features the secret oranges of several notorious super-villains, including the Mexican Boarder; Dee Mocracy; and the Mueller. The Mexican Boarder - Does anybody know which one of the Mexican countries he's from?
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