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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 13:38:39 GMT -5
Since both Namor (Sub-Mariner) & the Human Torch (Jim Hammond) both debuted in Marvel Comics #1 (1939) - in the fictional MU which one is "officially" the first hero?
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Post by Jesse on Jun 3, 2014 13:41:39 GMT -5
Well the Human Torch is featured on the cover and IRRC is also the first story featured.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 3, 2014 13:49:29 GMT -5
The Sub-Mariner appeared in print first, being one of the features in the extremely rare (and possibly never published) giveaway comic Motion Picture Funnies Weekly, so my money's on him.
Cei-U!
I summon the slight seniority!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 3, 2014 14:03:20 GMT -5
The Sub-Mariner appeared in print first, being one of the features in the extremely rare (and possibly never published) giveaway comic Motion Picture Funnies Weekly, so my money's on him. Cei-U! I summon the slight seniority! This has always made me wonder why the Everett estate hasn't made an attempt to reassert control over Sub-Mariner. It's pretty damn clear that he was not work for hire for Timely. Or even for Llyod Jaquet for that matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 14:23:15 GMT -5
Don't know why but Everett had more work at Marvel in the 60's than Burgos.
Burgos tried to sue Marvel in the 60's for ownership of the Human Torch. When he lost his daughter said he threw away all his Golden Age comics:
Interview with daughter Susan Burgos, Alter Ego #49, June 2005, "The Privacy Act of Carl Burgos", p. 9: "I know he had a lawsuit against Marvel Comics. ... I do know that he went to see a lawyer. I assume it was about getting the rights to the Human Torch, and I read in Alter Ego that they settled out of court. I'm sure that's what happened the day he threw [all his Golden Age comics] away [in 1966]. I have no idea how it was settled or even if it went to court, though I don't think it did" |
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 3, 2014 16:03:04 GMT -5
I thought MPFW was done by Jacquet/Funnies Inc.? Marvel Comics #1 definitely was.
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Post by Jasoomian on Jun 3, 2014 16:44:55 GMT -5
The Sub-Mariner appeared in print first, being one of the features in the extremely rare (and possibly never published) giveaway comic Motion Picture Funnies Weekly, so my money's on him. Cei-U! I summon the slight seniority! This has always made me wonder why the Everett estate hasn't made an attempt to reassert control over Sub-Mariner. It's pretty damn clear that he was not work for hire for Timely. Or even for Llyod Jaquet for that matter. Well, the latest round of lawsuits have been based on the concept of "copyright termination," whereby older works that were transfered from one copyright-holder to another can be reverted back to the creator after the originally-assigned period of copyright expired. The papers would have to be filed 56(-61) years after the work was published. So that window is closed for Sub-Mariner. . . . Actually, I just researched this for a bit, and it turns out that, for older works, copyright termination can also be filed 75(-80) years after the work was first published -- but only up through October 26, 1939. Marvel's website claims that Marvel Comics #1 was published 15 days later on November 10, 1939. If Marvel isn't lying, that would mean there is no statutory opportunity for the Everett estate to file for termination. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jun 3, 2014 17:21:25 GMT -5
Since both Namor (Sub-Mariner) & the Human Torch (Jim Hammond) both debuted in Marvel Comics #1 (1939) - in the fictional MU which one is "officially" the first hero? Since neither of 'em acted remotely like heroes in their first appearance, I'd say the Angel. |
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 3, 2014 18:36:46 GMT -5
Don't know why but Everett had more work at Marvel in the 60's than Burgos. Have you seen Burgos' art in the 60s? Everett was much better. He was already better in 1939 and he kept getting further ahead. The work Bill was doing just prior to his death was spectacular. And Wikipedia confirms that Motion Picture Funnies Weekly was produced by Lloyd Jacquet and Funnies Inc. |
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 3, 2014 18:57:01 GMT -5
Well, Sub-Mariner is the most acknowledged I think, but I would say it's Ka-Zar as he also appeared in Marvel Comics # 1, as well as Martin Goodman's pulp line before that, with Ka-Zar # 1 in 1936.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 5:59:08 GMT -5
Well, Sub-Mariner is the most acknowledged I think, but I would say it's Ka-Zar as he also appeared in Marvel Comics # 1, as well as Martin Goodman's pulp line before that, with Ka-Zar # 1 in 1936. I did not know that. Is it the same Ka-Zar as the modern version? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 6:01:28 GMT -5
Don't know why but Everett had more work at Marvel in the 60's than Burgos. Have you seen Burgos' art in the 60s? Everett was much better. He was already better in 1939 and he kept getting further ahead. The work Bill was doing just prior to his death was spectacular. Thanks. That is why I have not seen any 60's art from Burgos. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 4, 2014 7:36:17 GMT -5
Well, Sub-Mariner is the most acknowledged I think, but I would say it's Ka-Zar as he also appeared in Marvel Comics # 1, as well as Martin Goodman's pulp line before that, with Ka-Zar # 1 in 1936. I did not know that. Is it the same Ka-Zar as the modern version? No, the original Ka-Zar was more of a direct Tarzan knock-off. He lived in Africa instead of the Savage Land and his companion was a lion named Zar rather than a sabretooth named Zabu. Nonetheless, hondobrode is right: Ka-Zar predates Subby and ough to be considered the first Marvel hero. Cei-U! I summon the fresh perspective! |
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 4, 2014 11:44:29 GMT -5
Agreed, they're similar but different, and yet, the same character, with differences, and even the same publisher.
I'm glad the mighty Cei-U concurs. That makes me feel better, but what's weird is I don't think I've ever read a citation of him being Marvel's first hero, for whatever reason.
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