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Post by impulse on Jun 23, 2014 10:20:21 GMT -5
I liked Gail Simone's take quite a bit.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 23, 2014 10:30:04 GMT -5
Craziness. A Bugs Bunny-type character as far as I can see.
Zero appeal for me.
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Post by maddog1981 on Jun 23, 2014 11:08:44 GMT -5
So I went out and did a heavy purge of my pill list. I cut my monthly bill down from $110 to $60 in the course of a month.
I've just kind of had it with the drain on my budget that comics have become. I've even Pit some consideration into dropping new books entirely and just focusing on old stuff.
Now I'm pretty much just getting Flash, Batman, Future's End, Spiderman, Daredevil, Avengers, Uncanny Avengers, the Valiant line, Magnus, Doctor Spektor and the TMNT monthly.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 23, 2014 11:15:42 GMT -5
Someone needs to explain the whole Deadpool thing to me. Last time I read a story with Deadpool in it, he was a soulless Rob Liefield creation. What happened since that time that he's now such a big deal? This is funny, because the only time I actually liked Deadpool was just after his creation in New Mutants and X-Force; his two mini-series were tolerable as well, as were some of his earlier guest spots in other books. Once he became the Fourth Wall-breaking over-the-top Looney Tune he is today under Joe Kelly's pen, I lost all interest, and at this point, he's just a notch below Wolverine for my most-disliked character in the MU. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 20:14:30 GMT -5
Someone needs to explain the whole Deadpool thing to me. Last time I read a story with Deadpool in it, he was a soulless Rob Liefield creation. What happened since that time that he's now such a big deal? In short, better writers got ahold of him and changed him from a generic super-ninja type into a comedic, black humor sort of character. Plus he seems to get a lot of gigs on variant covers... |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 23, 2014 20:26:43 GMT -5
Someone needs to explain the whole Deadpool thing to me. Last time I read a story with Deadpool in it, he was a soulless Rob Liefield creation. What happened since that time that he's now such a big deal? Joe Kelly happened, basically. He brought some wickedly funny dialogue to the book with plotting that could range from the absurd to the absolutely chilling in the span of a few panels. After I stopped reading comics in the early '90s, it was Kelly's Deadpool that really got me back into the medium. I honestly feel that Kelly's Deadpool is one of the finest comics of the '90s, and on a shortlist for Marvel's best book of that decade. Kelly hasn't done anything as good since, although he had a few good Superman stories when he was on Action Comics.
It was a mixed bag after that. I liked Priest's run, but it wasn't half as good as Kelly's run or his own Quantum and Woody and Black Panther. Palmiotti's run is completely forgettable, and Frank Tieri's run is only slightly better. Gail Simone's run is quite good, but even though she turned the Rhino into a Dazzler-loving keychain, it wasn't anywhere near what Kelly had done with the book. Agent X is skippable, even with Evan Dorkin as a creator. I could never understand the love for Nicieza's Cable and Deadpool run, but it has a lot of fans. Way's Deadpool is boring, and Lapham and Kyle Baker's Deadpool MAX was a massive disappointment. I haven't read Posehn and Duggan's run yet, but people seem to like it.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 23, 2014 21:18:02 GMT -5
I liked Kelly's Deadpool some, but now it's just a parody... and a bad one at that, IMO.
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Post by DubipR on Jun 23, 2014 22:04:49 GMT -5
Someone needs to explain the whole Deadpool thing to me. Last time I read a story with Deadpool in it, he was a soulless Rob Liefield creation. What happened since that time that he's now such a big deal? Joe Kelly happened, basically. He brought some wickedly funny dialogue to the book with plotting that could range from the absurd to the absolutely chilling in the span of a few panels. After I stopped reading comics in the early '90s, it was Kelly's Deadpool that really got me back into the medium. I honestly feel that Kelly's Deadpool is one of the finest comics of the '90s, and on a shortlist for Marvel's best book of that decade. Kelly hasn't done anything as good since, although he had a few good Superman stories when he was on Action Comics.
It was a mixed bag after that. I liked Priest's run, but it wasn't half as good as Kelly's run or his own Quantum and Woody and Black Panther. Palmiotti's run is completely forgettable, and Frank Tieri's run is only slightly better. Gail Simone's run is quite good, but even though she turned the Rhino into a Dazzler-loving keychain, it wasn't anywhere near what Kelly had done with the book. Agent X is skippable, even with Evan Dorkin as a creator. I could never understand the love for Nicieza's Cable and Deadpool run, but it has a lot of fans. Way's Deadpool is boring, and Lapham and Kyle Baker's Deadpool MAX was a massive disappointment. I haven't read Posehn and Duggan's run yet, but people seem to like it.
That's a good assessment of the history of Deadpool, but I'd have to disagree with Simone's run. She tried a bit too hard to make it her own and it just felt so flat. Also the Udon art group was alright but didn't feel right, especially their take on Taskmaster...effing horrendous. As for Nicieza's Cable/Deadpool run, its insanely good. Not only for the stories, for me it was the characters he brought in... Prestor John, Shien Kei (aka the Cat!) and tons of these great and odd throwaway Marvel characters. I really recommend reading that run... its really well done. Also, the confrontation of Silver Surfer vs. Cable... its simple but works on so many levels. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Jun 24, 2014 4:33:03 GMT -5
Someone needs to explain the whole Deadpool thing to me. Last time I read a story with Deadpool in it, he was a soulless Rob Liefield creation. What happened since that time that he's now such a big deal? Joe Kelly happened, basically. He brought some wickedly funny dialogue to the book with plotting that could range from the absurd to the absolutely chilling in the span of a few panels. After I stopped reading comics in the early '90s, it was Kelly's Deadpool that really got me back into the medium. I honestly feel that Kelly's Deadpool is one of the finest comics of the '90s, and on a shortlist for Marvel's best book of that decade. Kelly hasn't done anything as good since, although he had a few good Superman stories when he was on Action Comics.
It was a mixed bag after that. I liked Priest's run, but it wasn't half as good as Kelly's run or his own Quantum and Woody and Black Panther. Palmiotti's run is completely forgettable, and Frank Tieri's run is only slightly better. Gail Simone's run is quite good, but even though she turned the Rhino into a Dazzler-loving keychain, it wasn't anywhere near what Kelly had done with the book. Agent X is skippable, even with Evan Dorkin as a creator. I could never understand the love for Nicieza's Cable and Deadpool run, but it has a lot of fans. Way's Deadpool is boring, and Lapham and Kyle Baker's Deadpool MAX was a massive disappointment. I haven't read Posehn and Duggan's run yet, but people seem to like it.
A pretty good sum-up of Deadpool's history. I'd add that Remender's take on him in Uncanny X-Force was pretty good as well (a more serious take). The conversation at the end between Deadpool and Evan (the clone of Apocalypse who is currently a student at the Jean Grey School) was one of the best moments in it. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 24, 2014 6:10:25 GMT -5
Joe Kelly happened, basically. He brought some wickedly funny dialogue to the book with plotting that could range from the absurd to the absolutely chilling in the span of a few panels. After I stopped reading comics in the early '90s, it was Kelly's Deadpool that really got me back into the medium. I honestly feel that Kelly's Deadpool is one of the finest comics of the '90s, and on a shortlist for Marvel's best book of that decade. Kelly hasn't done anything as good since, although he had a few good Superman stories when he was on Action Comics.
It was a mixed bag after that. I liked Priest's run, but it wasn't half as good as Kelly's run or his own Quantum and Woody and Black Panther. Palmiotti's run is completely forgettable, and Frank Tieri's run is only slightly better. Gail Simone's run is quite good, but even though she turned the Rhino into a Dazzler-loving keychain, it wasn't anywhere near what Kelly had done with the book. Agent X is skippable, even with Evan Dorkin as a creator. I could never understand the love for Nicieza's Cable and Deadpool run, but it has a lot of fans. Way's Deadpool is boring, and Lapham and Kyle Baker's Deadpool MAX was a massive disappointment. I haven't read Posehn and Duggan's run yet, but people seem to like it.
As for Nicieza's Cable/Deadpool run, its insanely good. Not only for the stories, for me it was the characters he brought in... Prestor John, Shien Kei (aka the Cat!) and tons of these great and odd throwaway Marvel characters. I really recommend reading that run... its really well done. Also, the confrontation of Silver Surfer vs. Cable... its simple but works on so many levels. I'll be honest: I've only read until issue 16 or so of the Nicieza Cable/Deadpool series (the murder mystery arc, if that helps), and I just couldn't get into it. People praise it so highly, but I just wasn't feeling it. I generally like Nicieza's stuff, too, or at least the stuff he worked on after his tenure as Acclaim's EiC. Does it improve later in its second year, or am I just not the audience for the book? |
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Post by December on Jun 24, 2014 6:25:14 GMT -5
This week (6/25):
X-Force 6
Mind MGMT 23
Batman '66 12
Rat Queens 7
Saga 20
Trees 2
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Post by DubipR on Jun 24, 2014 7:37:32 GMT -5
As for Nicieza's Cable/Deadpool run, its insanely good. Not only for the stories, for me it was the characters he brought in... Prestor John, Shien Kei (aka the Cat!) and tons of these great and odd throwaway Marvel characters. I really recommend reading that run... its really well done. Also, the confrontation of Silver Surfer vs. Cable... its simple but works on so many levels. I'll be honest: I've only read until issue 16 or so of the Nicieza Cable/Deadpool series (the murder mystery arc, if that helps), and I just couldn't get into it. People praise it so highly, but I just wasn't feeling it. I generally like Nicieza's stuff, too, or at least the stuff he worked on after his tenure as Acclaim's EiC. Does it improve later in its second year, or am I just not the audience for the book? It does. Enema of the State is a solid arc and it's good up until Fabian leaves until 48ish. If the trades are in your library, read 'em.
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Post by Dizzy D on Jun 24, 2014 7:39:14 GMT -5
The first arc is weak, but if you didn't like it from the second arc onward, I don't think you'll like the rest of the series.
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Post by impulse on Jun 24, 2014 8:39:25 GMT -5
I loved Udon's artwork, and I thought it was part of the charm of the series. Agent X was funny, as well, but that's me. I agree that Lapham's Deadpool MAX was a horrendous disappointment. That was actually the book that cinched in my mind that I just don't like Lapham's work, and he's an automatic skip for me now. I had read some of his other work that turned me off, but that was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Not a Lapham fan.
I agree that Way's Deadpool was boring and mediocre. I think the character has passed his sweet spot of quality/fame much like Wolverine, and we're unlikely to see any more great work with the character.
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Post by DubipR on Jun 24, 2014 8:55:07 GMT -5
I loved Udon's artwork, and I thought it was part of the charm of the series. Agent X was funny, as well, but that's me. I agree that Lapham's Deadpool MAX was a horrendous disappointment. That was actually the book that cinched in my mind that I just don't like Lapham's work, and he's an automatic skip for me now. I had read some of his other work that turned me off, but that was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Not a Lapham fan. I agree that Way's Deadpool was boring and mediocre. I think the character has passed his sweet spot of quality/fame much like Wolverine, and we're unlikely to see any more great work with the character. Sorry to hear that you got turned off from Lapham. He's truly a brilliant writer. Stray Bullets alone is worth reading. While a majority of his superhero works are suspect, there are some gems in there, like his first Terror Inc mini, his Daredevil vs Punisher: Means & Ends, and Age of Apocalypse 1-14. I suggest trying his Vertigo works, his Valiant stuff as well as Warriors of Plasm.
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