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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 10:38:16 GMT -5
I could see Vader rocking out to that in his big isolation pod thing. I love the image of that!! But I do know with certainty that Vader's favorite band is, well, "Vader":
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Post by berkley on May 6, 2022 15:26:24 GMT -5
One for the prog rockers... I could see Vader rocking out to that in his big isolation pod thing.
I've been totally misjudging him: obviously all that talk about the "Dark Side" he was giving Luke was just an innocent invitation to come over to his place and listen to his Pink Floyd records.
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 27, 2022 9:03:50 GMT -5
Man, Obi-Wan was everything I wanted and more!
I absolutely loved the interactions with pint sized princess Leia.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 29, 2022 16:03:42 GMT -5
Man, Obi-Wan was everything I wanted and more! I absolutely loved the interactions with pint sized princess Leia. I really have very little interest. I want to move things forward, not retread will covered ground. I'll watch at some point, but not worth paying disney for until it's all released imo.
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 29, 2022 18:32:38 GMT -5
Man, Obi-Wan was everything I wanted and more! I absolutely loved the interactions with pint sized princess Leia. I really have very little interest. I want to move things forward, not retread will covered ground. I'll watch at some point, but not worth paying disney for until it's all released imo. With Mando Season three and Ahsoka we'll be getting that soon so I don't mind shows like Obi-Wan or Bad Batch exploring an area we don't know much about.
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Post by Randle-El on May 29, 2022 22:04:02 GMT -5
Man, Obi-Wan was everything I wanted and more! I absolutely loved the interactions with pint sized princess Leia.
Agreed. I watched it with my family, and they thoroughly enjoyed it. If the rest of the series is this good, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it will end up as the best thing they've done with the film-based characters since the OT.
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Post by Confessor on May 30, 2022 6:47:18 GMT -5
I'm kind of interested in the Obi-Wan series...I thought the trailer looked quite good. Although, like wildfire2099, I question if detailing this period and these characters is a good idea or a worthwhile endevour. In particular, Reddit and Facebook has been rife with speculation in recent weeks that Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader will encounter each other and have a lightsaber duel in this series, which, if true, really f***s with and lessens the impact of their meeting again on board the Death Star in the original 1977 Star Wars film. Like I say, I remain unconvinced that revisiting these characters during this particular period is a good idea. I still haven't even watched The Book of Boba Fett yet, though I fully intend to at some point. I loved both series of The Mandalorian and I'm pretty interested in watching the up-coming Andor series too. Cassian Andor was a great character from Rogue One (which was the best SW film since ROTJ in 1983, IMHO) and I prefer them exploring those kinds of ancillary characters, rather than messing with the backstories of characters from the Original Trilogy.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 30, 2022 12:43:50 GMT -5
I'm kind of interested in the Obi-Wan series...I thought the trailer looked quite good. Although, like wildfire2099 , I question if detailing this period and these characters is a good idea or a worthwhile endevour. In particular, Reddit and Facebook has been rife with speculation in recent weeks that Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader will encounter each other and have a lightsaber duel in this series, which, if true, really f***s with and lessens the impact of their meeting again on board the Death Star in the original 1977 Star Wars film. Like I say, I remain unconvinced that revisiting these characters during this particular period is a good idea.I liked the first two episodes of Kenobi, but they had flaws if you consider the overall saga. It's a risky thing doing prequels: by tying everything closer together, you make space that much smaller; by using characters established in later movies and films, you risk making later events contradictory, unlikely or nonsensical. But then retconning in media res is a Star Wars tradition, if we go by the "from a certain point of view" philosophy. A few examples: Leia wouldn't start a message with "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the clone wars; now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the empire" when she could instead say "General Kenobi, when I was a child we had wild and whacky adventures together and you saved my life from imperial inquisitors". Establishing a close relation between the two flies in the face of later events, as the first Star Wars film strongly suggested that Leia was not personally acquainted with Obi-Wan. (She sure took his death well, compared to Luke!) Another one : one of the Inquisitors hunting Kenobi knows that Leia is Vader's daughter "because she looked it up in the archives". She even shares the information with her lowlife underlings! Now as Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky will happily tell you, when you tell one person a secret, the planet knows it. It makes very little sense that people with no particular reason to keep such information secret (other than being sternly told "keep this secret, lads") wouldn't babble about it or sell it to Vader (or to some information peddler). Even knowing about the birth at all means that the information was available, and I'm extremely surprised that Anakin wouldn't have looked for every detail about his wife's passing. (Scratch that. I misheard, misunderstood or was drunk, as pointed out by others below). A potential one: Kenobi senses Vader from light years away (and vice-versa) at the end of the second episode. Yay, we get to see Vader and would love to see the two meet... but then it would sort of contradict the latter's comments in Episode 4, when he says he was a student when last they met. (We'll have to see how this develops; they might not actually meet). Plot-wise, I didn't get why Inquisitor Reva (who like her colleagues was all gung ho about killing each and every Jedi left after the purge, including younglings all grown up) would dismissively leave one alone after picking his brain for Kenobi's whereabouts. It would have taken all of two extra seconds to kill him after the fact. Sure it makes for an emotionally more powerful scene, as the poor guy is basically signified that he's not even important enough to kill... but it flies in the face of the extreme brutality established earlier. I am much more enthused about Andor than about Kenobi. First, Kenobi is tightly associated with the prequels which I generally disliked (in large part due to their tendency to make everyone and everything no farther than two degrees of separation apart). Andor, like Rogue One, seems to feature outsiders who also played an important role in the fight against the Empire, and in a real war not everyone would be related. I prefer the look of the series as well; what we saw in the trailer suggests a Rogue One-like aesthetic, with practical military-looking uniforms and vehicles. Not trying to be mean, but the villains in Kenobi looked like Star Wars cosplayers. The Book of Fett was something of a let-down for me. Its best parts were the episodes featuring Mando! I guess it was gutsy to make Bobba Fett into a character very different from the one fandom culture built up over the years (Fett is not mysterious at all, and very much a meat-and-potato guy without a plan, far less ruthless and efficient than the one from comics and novels), but even if I like this new Bobba Fett, the "gangsters in the wild west" storyline dragged a little. (Also... I really don't like CGI Luke Skywalker. Not as fake-looking as Tarkin or Leia from Rogue One, but still looking like he walked out of a video game. And couldn't they have used Mark Hamill's actual voice, gravelly as it is? Much better than a computer-generated imitation that lacks humanity.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 30, 2022 18:13:04 GMT -5
Low-budget, but full of enthusiasm!
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 30, 2022 18:38:10 GMT -5
I'm kind of interested in the Obi-Wan series...I thought the trailer looked quite good. Although, like wildfire2099 , I question if detailing this period and these characters is a good idea or a worthwhile endevour. In particular, Reddit and Facebook has been rife with speculation in recent weeks that Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader will encounter each other and have a lightsaber duel in this series, which, if true, really f***s with and lessens the impact of their meeting again on board the Death Star in the original 1977 Star Wars film. Like I say, I remain unconvinced that revisiting these characters during this particular period is a good idea.I liked the first two episodes of Kenobi, but they had flaws if you consider the overall saga. It's a risky thing doing prequels: by tying everything closer together, you make space that much smaller; by using characters established in later movies and films, you risk making later events contradictory, unlikely or nonsensical. But then retconning in media res is a Star Wars tradition, if we go by the "from a certain point of view" philosophy. A few examples: Leia wouldn't start a message with "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the clone wars; now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the empire" when she could instead say "General Kenobi, when I was a child we had wild and whacky adventures together and you saved my life from imperial inquisitors". Establishing a close relation between the two flies in the face of later events, as the first Star Wars film strongly suggested that Leia was not personally acquainted with Obi-Wan. (She sure took his death well, compared to Luke!) Another one : one of the Inquisitors hunting Kenobi knows that Leia is Vader's daughter "because she looked it up in the archives". She even shares the information with her lowlife underlings! Now as Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky will happily tell you, when you tell one person a secret, the planet knows it. It makes very little sense that people with no particular reason to keep such information secret (other than being sternly told "keep this secret, lads") wouldn't babble about it or sell it to Vader (or to some information peddler). Even knowing about the birth at all means that the information was available, and I'm extremely surprised that Anakin wouldn't have looked for every detail about his wife's passing. A potential one: Kenobi senses Vader from light years away (and vice-versa) at the end of the second episode. Yay, we get to see Vader and would love to see the two meet... but then it would sort of contradict the latter's comments in Episode 4, when he says he was a student when last they met. (We'll have to see how this develops; they might not actually meet). Plot-wise, I didn't get why Inquisitor Reva (who like her colleagues was all gung ho about killing each and every Jedi left after the purge, including younglings all grown up) would dismissively leave one alone after picking his brain for Kenobi's whereabouts. It would have taken all of two extra seconds to kill him after the fact. Sure it makes for an emotionally more powerful scene, as the poor guy is basically signified that he's not even important enough to kill... but it flies in the face of the extreme brutality established earlier. I am much more enthused about Andor than about Kenobi. First, Kenobi is tightly associated with the prequels which I generally disliked (in large part due to their tendency to make everyone and everything no farther than two degrees of separation apart). Andor, like Rogue One, seems to feature outsiders who also played an important role in the fight against the Empire, and in a real war not everyone would be related. I prefer the look of the series as well; what we saw in the trailer suggests a Rogue One-like aesthetic, with practical military-looking uniforms and vehicles. Not trying to be mean, but the villains in Kenobi looked like Star Wars cosplayers. The Book of Fett was something of a let-down for me. Its best parts were the episodes featuring Mando! I guess it was gutsy to make Bobba Fett into a character very different from the one fandom culture built up over the years (Fett is not mysterious at all, and very much a meat-and-potato guy without a plan, far less ruthless and efficient than the one from comics and novels), but even if I like this new Bobba Fett, the "gangsters in the wild west" storyline dragged a little. (Also... I really don't like CGI Luke Skywalker. Not as fake-looking as Tarkin or Leia from Rogue One, but still looking like he walked out of a video game. And couldn't they have used Mark Hamill's actual voice, gravelly as it is? Much better than a computer-generated imitation that lacks humanity.Did she imply that Leia was Vader's daughter? I thought the line was that she looked up that Obi-Wan served Bail during the Clone Wars(lining up with Leia's dialog in the original) and that she hoped to exploit that friendship by kidnapping his daughter.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2022 20:05:28 GMT -5
Did she imply that Leia was Vader's daughter? I thought the line was that she looked up that Obi-Wan served Bail during the Clone Wars(lining up with Leia's dialog in the original) and that she hoped to exploit that friendship by kidnapping his daughter. Exactly, the line was she found a connection between Kenobi (whom she is obsessed with tracking down) and Bail Organa in an obscure archive, so used Bail's daughter to lure Kenobi out, since the Jedi weakness is helping people, so make it someone he wants to help (the idea that the Jedi hunt themselves). Nobody mentioned a connection between Leia and the Skywalkers. What the Inquisitor did know was that Vader was Anakin, and that Anakin survived that final battle with Kenobi, something that Obi Wan did not know at the end of the prequels, but did know in Episode 4, so he had to find out some how, and someone connected to the Dark Side and a seeming pet of Vader being the means he found out makes as much sense as anything else. -M
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Post by berkley on May 30, 2022 21:58:58 GMT -5
I liked the two Mandalorian series haven't watched Boba Fett and not sure how I feel about Obi-Wan or even the Andor series (didn't know there was one until now). I liked Rogue One well enough but probably would have felt more interest in a show about Felicity Jones's character, though I grant that Rogue One itself already gave us her entire life story, at least in encapsulated form. But there are always ways to get around things like that.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 31, 2022 5:13:05 GMT -5
I liked the first two episodes of Kenobi, but they had flaws if you consider the overall saga. It's a risky thing doing prequels: by tying everything closer together, you make space that much smaller; by using characters established in later movies and films, you risk making later events contradictory, unlikely or nonsensical. But then retconning in media res is a Star Wars tradition, if we go by the "from a certain point of view" philosophy. A few examples: Leia wouldn't start a message with "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the clone wars; now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the empire" when she could instead say "General Kenobi, when I was a child we had wild and whacky adventures together and you saved my life from imperial inquisitors". Establishing a close relation0 between the two flies in the face of later events, as the first Star Wars film strongly suggested that Leia was not personally acquainted with Obi-Wan. (She sure took his death well, compared to Luke!) Another one : one of the Inquisitors hunting Kenobi knows that Leia is Vader's daughter "because she looked it up in the archives". She even shares the information with her lowlife underlings! Now as Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky will happily tell you, when you tell one person a secret, the planet knows it. It makes very little sense that people with no particular reason to keep such information secret (other than being sternly told "keep this secret, lads") wouldn't babble about it or sell it to Vader (or to some information peddler). Even knowing about the birth at all means that the information was available, and I'm extremely surprised that Anakin wouldn't have looked for every detail about his wife's passing. A potential one: Kenobi senses Vader from light years away (and vice-versa) at the end of the second episode. Yay, we get to see Vader and would love to see the two meet... but then it would sort of contradict the latter's comments in Episode 4, when he says he was a student when last they met. (We'll have to see how this develops; they might not actually meet). Plot-wise, I didn't get why Inquisitor Reva (who like her colleagues was all gung ho about killing each and every Jedi left after the purge, including younglings all grown up) would dismissively leave one alone after picking his brain for Kenobi's whereabouts. It would have taken all of two extra seconds to kill him after the fact. Sure it makes for an emotionally more powerful scene, as the poor guy is basically signified that he's not even important enough to kill... but it flies in the face of the extreme brutality established earlier. I am much more enthused about Andor than about Kenobi. First, Kenobi is tightly associated with the prequels which I generally disliked (in large part due to their tendency to make everyone and everything no farther than two degrees of separation apart). Andor, like Rogue One, seems to feature outsiders who also played an important role in the fight against the Empire, and in a real war not everyone would be related. I prefer the look of the series as well; what we saw in the trailer suggests a Rogue One-like aesthetic, with practical military-looking uniforms and vehicles. Not trying to be mean, but the villains in Kenobi looked like Star Wars cosplayers. The Book of Fett was something of a let-down for me. Its best parts were the episodes featuring Mando! I guess it was gutsy to make Bobba Fett into a character very different from the one fandom culture built up over the years (Fett is not mysterious at all, and very much a meat-and-potato guy without a plan, far less ruthless and efficient than the one from comics and novels), but even if I like this new Bobba Fett, the "gangsters in the wild west" storyline dragged a little. (Also... I really don't like CGI Luke Skywalker. Not as fake-looking as Tarkin or Leia from Rogue One, but still looking like he walked out of a video game. And couldn't they have used Mark Hamill's actual voice, gravelly as it is? Much better than a computer-generated imitation that lacks humanity.Did she imply that Leia was Vader's daughter? I thought the line was that she looked up that Obi-Wan served Bail during the Clone Wars(lining up with Leia's dialog in the original) and that she hoped to exploit that friendship by kidnapping his daughter. You're absolutely right. I must have had a brain fart when watching that scene. Somehow when Reva mentioned Organa, I pictured Anakin.
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Post by Confessor on May 31, 2022 5:33:01 GMT -5
So, somewhat prompted by this conversation, I watched episode 1 of The Book of Boba Fett last night. It was...OK. Not a patch on The Mandalorian so far, but folks tell me it gets better as it progresses.
Shame that Temuera Morrison looks so out of shape in it. Tubby Boba Fett, with a bit of a beer gut, doesn't quite cut it for me -- especially since that is not at all how he looked in ROTJ, which the flashback scenes to his escape from the Sarlacc and his subsequent capturing by the Sand People are set immediately after.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 31, 2022 7:38:37 GMT -5
So, somewhat prompted by this conversation, I watched episode 1 of The Book of Boba Fett last night. It was...OK. Not a patch on The Mandalorian so far, but folks tell me it gets better as it progresses. Shame that Temuera Morrison looks so out of shape in it. Tubby Boba Fett, with a bit of a beer gut, doesn't quite cut it for me -- especially since that is not at all how he looked in ROTJ, which the flashback scenes to his escape from the Sarlacc and his subsequent capturing by the Sand People are set immediately after. It only gets better because it ultimately turns in to The Mandalorian. But then I’ve always thought Boba Fett was a nothing character.
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