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Post by dbutler69 on Jan 2, 2020 11:14:15 GMT -5
These comments aren't changing my mind that I'll take my time in seeing Rise of Skywalker.
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Post by rberman on Jan 2, 2020 11:45:42 GMT -5
These comments aren't changing my mind that I'll take my time in seeing Rise of Skywalker. It’s not really for us anyway. It’s for kids today who were unfortunate enough not to exist in 1977.
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Post by The Captain on Jan 2, 2020 12:12:12 GMT -5
These comments aren't changing my mind that I'll take my time in seeing Rise of Skywalker. It’s not really for us anyway. It’s for kids today who were unfortunate enough not to exist in 1977. Yup. Kids today have their own Star Wars, except it's called the MCU. My girls will both watch the Star Wars movies, but my younger one has no emotional investment in them at all, while my older one has a small one. However, my older one still tears up just THINKING about Tony Stark at the climax of Endgame, and they will rewatch any of the MCU films when given the chance; they watched Captain Marvel for the umpteenth time over break rather than watch Attack of the Clones for the first time.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jan 2, 2020 13:53:44 GMT -5
It’s not really for us anyway. It’s for kids today who were unfortunate enough not to exist in 1977. Yup. Kids today have their own Star Wars, except it's called the MCU. My girls will both watch the Star Wars movies, but my younger one has no emotional investment in them at all, while my older one has a small one. However, my older one still tears up just THINKING about Tony Stark at the climax of Endgame, and they will rewatch any of the MCU films when given the chance; they watched Captain Marvel for the umpteenth time over break rather than watch Attack of the Clones for the first time. Heck, I got a little teary during Tony Stark's funeral myself.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 2, 2020 14:13:13 GMT -5
It’s not really for us anyway. It’s for kids today who were unfortunate enough not to exist in 1977. I completely disagree. These new Star Wars movies absolutely rely on old farts who loved SW back in the '70s and '80s going to see them for a good proportion of their profit margin. The marketing of The Rise of Skywalker has been very heavy on reminding us that this is the end of the saga that was begun in 1977, and the constant fan-servicey call backs to the original trilogy liberally sprinkled throughout every Disney SW movie so far, conclusively demonstrates that these films are absolutely aimed at those of us who've followed the franchise for the past 30-40 odd years. Disney isn't about to make Star Wars movies that are designed not to appeal to any section of the existing fanbase...but especially not the lifelong fans of the franchise. Especially since many of us older fans go and take our own children or grandchildren with us nowadays. Yup. Kids today have their own Star Wars, except it's called the MCU. Absolutely. I can only speak of my own experience, naturally, but the impression I get from my friends' kids in the 6-16 range is that the modern SW films are enjoyable enough, but they're nowhere near as popular as the likes of the modern Marvel or DC films. In fact, as I said some days ago (maybe in another thread???), the original SW trilogy still bewitches and captures the imaginations of youngsters today just as much, if not more so, than any of the newer SW films. Not that the new SW films are unpopular per se, but they aren't on a parr with things like the Marvel/DC films or the Lego movies etc, as far as I can see. EDIT: In fact, I'd say that the Harry Potter franchise, which is now a good decade old at least, is still way more popular with the 6-16 yo demographic than the new SW films are.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 11, 2020 12:24:14 GMT -5
These comments aren't changing my mind that I'll take my time in seeing Rise of Skywalker. It’s not really for us anyway. It’s for kids today who were unfortunate enough not to exist in 1977. Exactly so! My 18 year old daughter thought it was great, as did her circle of friends, so they succeeded there.
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Post by rberman on Jan 11, 2020 12:33:03 GMT -5
It’s not really for us anyway. It’s for kids today who were unfortunate enough not to exist in 1977. I completely disagree. These new Star Wars movies absolutely rely on old farts who loved SW back in the '70s and '80s going to see them for a good proportion of their profit margin. The marketing of The Rise of Skywalker has been very heavy on reminding us that this is the end of the saga that was begun in 1977, and the constant fan-servicey call backs to the original trilogy liberally sprinkled throughout every Disney SW movie so far, conclusively demonstrates that these films are absolutely aimed at those of us who've followed the franchise for the past 30-40 odd years. Disney isn't about to make Star Wars movies that are designed not to appeal to any section of the existing fanbase...but especially not the lifelong fans of the franchise. Especially since many of us older fans go and take our own children or grandchildren with us nowadays. There are plenty of moments in The Rise of Skywalker intended for older fans who remember details of the original trilogy. But unlike The Last Jedi (and Lucas' prequels), this film is intended to be fast-paced popcorn-eating fun for kids. No boring galactic senate meetings. No glacially paced chase scenes. I do wish they had made the villain less scary and strobe-y so that the film could be PG rated. There's room for PG-13 (or even R?) Star Wars, but those should be side films.
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Post by Warmonger on Jan 14, 2020 9:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 14, 2020 10:56:03 GMT -5
I love it! And what's more, the show is just as awesome as the trailer makes it out to be.
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Post by rberman on Jan 14, 2020 11:32:53 GMT -5
I re-watched the 1975 Disney film "Escape to Witch Mountain" (based on Alexander Key's novel) last week and was struck by its similarity to "The Mandalorian." A telekinetic child, separated from his people, finds an initially disinterested protector to help him find his people and his homeland while evading those who want to seize and profit from him.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 20, 2020 9:31:36 GMT -5
Signed up for the free trial for Disney+ to watch the Mandalorian... so far through the 1st 5 episodes. It's a very compelling watch, I love the concept of a Star Wars Western, never mind a Lone Wolf and Cub riff western. It SHOULD be my favorite show ever, but there's something about it that is missing.
I think it's because it makes the Star Wars universe seem... small (I can't recall who said that here, but it was spot on). Why did he randomly go to Tatooine? That's supposed to be a back water hicksville.. and he picked it? (Or, rather, the bounty head did). Why is there an identical Cantina on every planet? Can't you make things look STar Wars'y without being exactly the same? Why were there Jaws on other planets?
Don't get me wrong, I greatly enjoyed it (I'll be watching the rest tomorrow), but I can see the Disney influence, and it's not great.
Also, Baby Yoda is amazing.
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Post by rberman on Jan 20, 2020 9:55:27 GMT -5
Signed up for the free trial for Disney+ to watch the Mandalorian... so far through the 1st 5 episodes. It's a very compelling watch, I love the concept of a Star Wars Western, never mind a Lone Wolf and Cub riff western. It SHOULD be my favorite show ever, but there's something about it that is missing. I think it's because it makes the Star Wars universe seem... small (I can't recall who said that here, but it was spot on). Why did he randomly go to Tatooine? That's supposed to be a back water hicksville.. and he picked it? (Or, rather, the bounty head did). Why is there an identical Cantina on every planet? Can't you make things look STar Wars'y without being exactly the same? Why were there Jawas on other planets? Don't get me wrong, I greatly enjoyed it (I'll be watching the rest tomorrow), but I can see the Disney influence, and it's not great. Also, Baby Yoda is amazing. There were Jawas on other planets so we could have a great Jawa story. Makes sense; there are humans everywhere too.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 21, 2020 1:06:15 GMT -5
I guess, but I didn't love it.
Ended up watching the rest tonight... as a show goes, it was great... I enjoyed it, and I'll definitely watch season 2. I think I liked the one off episodes better than the main story, though. The stuff that seemed 'off' only multiplied in the last couple episodes.
My main issue is that the Mandalorian is not a very good tactician.... why on Earth do you try to strangle a big huge guy instead of just shooting him? And he wasn't expecting a betrayal? I get they were bringing the characters together, but why have a mechanic guarding the child?
Then there's the cantina the good guys were holed up in... they made a big deal that there was one entrance, but there were actually clearly 2... the imperials blew up a door during the first part of the fight, but when the good guys walked back in, they entered what had to be another door, since it was totally intact.
Then there's the sewer grate that is on the SIDE of a wall instead of the floor, and is impervious to blaster fire.. how does that make sense?
Then there were the two canon-ish things that bugged me...
1) Why the heck doesn't anyone know 'the child' is of Yoda's race? It's not like Yoda was a hermit forever.. he was in charge of the Jedi council for many, many years. The Ugnaught surely should have recognized him (perhaps he did, and that's why he helped).. but someone else should have, too.. it's not that long ago... it would have been in the bounty hunter guy's life time certainly.
Then there's the fact that if the Mandalorian was orphaned in the Clone Wars (which the flashback seemed to indicate), he should be alot older than he looks. The kid in the flashbacks was at least 10, I'd say. That would make him close to 40 during RoTJ. We don't know exactly how longer after that this is, but it seems to be a while (Cara has had enough time to be a shock trooper and have a life for a while after).. so we're talking 50s most likely.
I guess we could do the whole 'they're aliens, they age differently' thing, but he looks pretty standard human.
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Post by rberman on Jan 21, 2020 7:51:59 GMT -5
Then there's the sewer grate that is on the SIDE of a wall instead of the floor, and is impervious to blaster fire.. how does that make sense? I figured that was just an homage to the garbage chute in "A New Hope." But it wasn't impervious to blaster fire. {Spoiler}{Spoiler: Click to show} The part that didn't makes sense to me was when they torched the cantina. I thought they were trying to capture Baby Yoda, not barbecue him.The part that didn't makes sense to me was when they torched the cantina. I thought they were trying to capture Baby Yoda, not barbecue him.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 21, 2020 9:15:07 GMT -5
Then there's the sewer grate that is on the SIDE of a wall instead of the floor, and is impervious to blaster fire.. how does that make sense? I figured that was just an homage to the garbage chute in "A New Hope." But it wasn't impervious to blaster fire. {Spoiler}{Spoiler: Click to show}The part that didn't makes sense to me was when they torched the cantina. I thought they were trying to capture Baby Yoda, not barbecue him.The part that didn't makes sense to me was when they torched the cantina. I thought they were trying to capture Baby Yoda, not barbecue him. ' It was... Kara used that gatling gun she had on it, and nothing happened... they had to have IG cut it slowly with some sort of blow torch. THAT made sense to me, sort of. {Spoiler}{Spoiler: Click to show} The original Imperial guy wanted him alive for do testing on (I thought for sure the doctor dude with the glasses was going to mention midichlorians).. Espinoza seems to have wanted him just dead. Several of the bounty hunters that came later seems more interesting in killing him than capturing him.
Also, are we supposed to think Espinoza is a Sith? he's got Vader's chest plate and a light saber, but he didn't actually use the Force at all
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