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Post by DE Sinclair on Mar 20, 2015 10:42:22 GMT -5
JRR Tolkien (would love to talk with him about Lord of the Rings and all the backstory he created before it)
Apostle Paul (he started out persecuting Christians before converting so it would interesting to get his viewpoint. Plus I would feel presumptuous to take up Jesus' time. I figure he's pretty busy) Mark Twain (brilliant humorist, would keep the evening entertaining)
Martin Luther King (orator without peer, crusader for human rights, would be fascinating to hear his views in person)
John F. Kennedy (great president, flawed man, made his "land a man on the moon" speech the day I was born and I've always been into the space program. Plus we were both Navy so we'd have something in common)
By the way, I also thought about inviting Judas (it would be interesting to hear his side), but I thought he, Paul, & Dr. King would get in an argument. I thought about Judas also. My only question to him the entire meal would be "why?" Your comment about Jesus made me laugh, but I don't feel it presumptuous, because the Bible states repeatedly that he went and ate with lots of different people in their homes. True enough. But he's busy and I also thought I might be less tongue-tied talking to Paul (in person, I mean).
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Mar 20, 2015 11:24:11 GMT -5
I thought about Judas also. My only question to him the entire meal would be "why?" I guess that depends on whether the four gospels were written unadulterated or with a hidden agenda, as Judas didn't speak on his own behalf, at least in anything the Christian accepts as sacred. There wasn't enough told of Judas in the bible that gives one much of a solid background on his character as to maybe understand why he did what he did. The bible makes an example of him that there are sins that are unforgivable. Him hanging himself could have been either guilt or fear. But thinking on it, it would be an interesting piece of history to know since it's covered up more than Area 51.
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Post by Rob Allen on Mar 20, 2015 11:40:31 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas"In contrast to the canonical gospels which paint Judas as a betrayer of Christ who delivered him up to the authorities for crucifixion in exchange for money, the Gospel of Judas portrays Judas's actions as done in obedience to instructions given by Christ."
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Post by cromagnonman on Mar 20, 2015 12:05:24 GMT -5
Buddha Jesus Elvis - before he was famous John Lennon - before he was famous Abraham Lincoln or Leonardo da Vinci (undecided)
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Mar 20, 2015 12:07:05 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas"In contrast to the canonical gospels which paint Judas as a betrayer of Christ who delivered him up to the authorities for crucifixion in exchange for money, the Gospel of Judas portrays Judas's actions as done in obedience to instructions given by Christ." And that's certainly the reason it's not in the bible. Why I have no idea. If that's how Jesus had to die than Judas made a sacrifice himself being the betrayer whether his suicide was part of the plan or not.
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Post by MDG on Mar 20, 2015 12:13:06 GMT -5
Off the top of my head:
Groucho Marx Bukka White Alfred Hitchcock Dashiell Hammett Robertson Davies Luis Bunuel (ok, I cheated)
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Post by berkley on Mar 20, 2015 13:56:58 GMT -5
Hugh de Payens Mary Magdalene Boudica of the Celts John Dee Leonardo da Vinci -M I could ask this same question about many of the other choices (e.g.Jesus) so far in the thread but I'll start here: What would you ask them or want to talk about with them? I'm especially interested in Boudica and Leonardo.
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Post by Calamas on Mar 20, 2015 14:25:35 GMT -5
Dinner presumes a positive and enlightening experience. So I have to eliminate such favorites as John D. MacDonald (often surly and quick to offense), Evan Hunter (often assumed anything remotely resembling his work to be plagiarism) and Charlie Daniels (extreme opposing political viewpoint). I’ll also have to eliminate geniuses like Paddy Chayefsky and Stephen Sondheim because I doubt even they could distill their accomplishments to the level of my understanding. Also, I’m having trouble with ranking, so I’ll have to fall back alphabetical order. (And I cheated; I listed alternatives.)
Bill Graham He promoted Rock music during its most volatile, creative and expansive era. Could just as easily picked Quincy Jones or Sam Phillips.
Bill Granger His November Man novels split the difference between secret agent and espionage but he originally made his name as a Chicago beat reporter. For a more modern and urban take on the same territory I could easily go David Simon (creator of The Wire).
Susan Harris Essentially, the Tina Fey of her day. Known mostly for creating The Golden Girls, her greatest accomplishment remains the writing of the entire first season of Soap virtually by herself. It remains the only season worth watching.
Waylon Jennings My favorite all-time Country singer. His autobiography unflinchingly explored his life but there remains so much regarding those he met along the way.
Joss Whedon Not just because of his work but also because of the high regard in which his cast and co-writers, past and present, hold him. There is much to be learned by his process.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 14:30:07 GMT -5
Hugh de Payens Mary Magdalene Boudica of the Celts John Dee Leonardo da Vinci -M I could ask this same question about many of the other choices (e.g.Jesus) so far in the thread but I'll start here: What would you ask them or want to talk about with them? I'm especially interested in Boudica and Leonardo. I wasn't sure I wanted to volunteer my reasons because they may go against the sensibilities of some members beliefs, but since you asked... De Payens, The Templars are an area of high interest for me, so the founder of the Poor Knights of the Temple of Solomon is an obvious choice for me-what was behind the creation of the order, why did his kin Bernard of Clairvauix champion the order, was there a secret agenda, why were they given such a wide level of power, wealth and independence/autonomy by the papacy, who everywhere else in Christendom was tightening the grip of their control and influence, etc. etc. Mary Magdalene-since the four canonical gospels were chosen (out of literally hundreds of gospels written) by Catholic politicos and bishops in a council as they were seeking to secure their positions in the secular world a few centuries after the events of Yeshua ben Yusif's (the Hebrew naming convention or Joshua son of Joseph the actual translation into English of the Hebrew names not the Greek form Jesus Christ (i.e. Joshua the Annointed) as Greek was a language very few would have spoken or known of in the Holy Land in the first century) life and were chosen because they supported the opinions of the masses' most common beliefs giving those bishops the broadest spectrum of popular support even though the accounts in the 4 gospels contradicted each other in several different areas on the most basic facts and sequences of events, and were not written for decades after the deaths of their attributed authors, and written in Greek, a language most of the apostles didn't even speak and altered in some of the translations over the centuries, I would want to discuss the events of the first century with someone who was there, someone who has been recast as an outsider and villified into a role that was most likely false by later Church fathers, someone who had a different and insider perspective to the people and events of the time, someone who may have had access and insight that very few others did Boudica-Celtic culture is a another area of high interest, and as a culture that is not necessarily as male-dominated as some of its contemporaries (like Roman culture for instance), I would want to discuss not only Celtic culture without the taint of being presented by its conquerors (as is the case with most of the Roman sources) or it's converters (as are most of the Irish Catholic sources), but how being a warrior queen among a disparate people and facing such an entrenched patriarchal society played out, whether her position was typical for women or was she a rarity even among her culture, etc. etc. Dee was a genius natural philosopher, and most likely a spymaster in Elizabeth's court, as well as being an astrologer and a magus in the more legendary aspects of his legacy. Most remember the links to Edward Kelly and Bohemia, Enochian, and the like, but he was a man who lived at both Elizabeth's court and the Bohemian court and was in the inner circle of both-the insights and inside information he would have, as well as the rumored contents of his personal library would make for a long and fascinating dinner conversation da Vinci-aside from all that we know, there is all that is rumored about the man, from links to the Templar legacy to the contents of the hidden notebooks, his alleged role in the creation of the Shroud of Turin, to just the artistic and scientific genius of the man, all the people he met and interacted with all over Renaissance Italy, exploring the real genius, debunking the barnacles of legend and conspiracy theory, sussing out the real and the imagined, there are so many possibilities in such an evening's discussion. -M
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 20, 2015 15:09:56 GMT -5
It would depend. If I wanted to spend the evening laughing:
1. George Carlin 2. Walt Kelly 3. Dorothy Parker 4. Mark Twain 5. Oscar Wilde
If I wanted to be swept up in brilliant conversation:
H. L. Mencken Michele de Montaigne Carl Sagan Harry Truman (to cut through the others' BS) Voltaire
If I wanted to geek myself into a frothing spasm:
Daws Butler Jim Henson Stan Lee Bernadette Peters Clint Walker
Cei-U! Just don't make me choose!
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Post by berkley on Mar 20, 2015 17:53:26 GMT -5
Completely off the top of my head ... Philip K. Dick H.P. Lovecraft John A. Keel Emma Goldman John Severin Severin could draw a set of portraits of the other guests! Lovecraft might be a problem - would he talk at all? PKD would be fascinating to listen to. I have a feeling you might get into an argument with him if the conversation turned to music, though.
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Post by berkley on Mar 20, 2015 17:55:55 GMT -5
It would depend. If I wanted to spend the evening laughing: 1. George Carlin 2. Walt Kelly 3. Dorothy Parker 4. Mark Twain 5. Oscar Wilde If I wanted to be swept up in brilliant conversation: H. L. Mencken Michele de Montaigne Carl Sagan Harry Truman (to cut through the others' BS) Voltaire If I wanted to geek myself into a frothing spasm: Daws Butler Jim Henson Stan Lee Bernadette Peters Clint Walker Cei-U! Just don't make me choose! What's the story on HL Mencken - what should I read by him? I wonder if Wilde and Twain ever met. They were more or less contemporaries. Great call on Montaigne.
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Post by berkley on Mar 20, 2015 18:06:55 GMT -5
I could ask this same question about many of the other choices (e.g.Jesus) so far in the thread but I'll start here: What would you ask them or want to talk about with them? I'm especially interested in Boudica and Leonardo. I wasn't sure I wanted to volunteer my reasons because they may go against the sensibilities of some members beliefs, but since you asked... De Payens, The Templars are an area of high interest for me, so the founder of the Poor Knights of the Temple of Solomon is an obvious choice for me-what was behind the creation of the order, why did his kin Bernard of Clairvauix champion the order, was there a secret agenda, why were they given such a wide level of power, wealth and independence/autonomy by the papacy, who everywhere else in Christendom was tightening the grip of their control and influence, etc. etc. Mary Magdalene-since the four canonical gospels were chosen (out of literally hundreds of gospels written) by Catholic politicos and bishops in a council as they were seeking to secure their positions in the secular world a few centuries after the events of Yeshua ben Yusif's (the Hebrew naming convention or Joshua son of Joseph the actual translation into English of the Hebrew names not the Greek form Jesus Christ (i.e. Joshua the Annointed) as Greek was a language very few would have spoken or known of in the Holy Land in the first century) life and were chosen because they supported the opinions of the masses' most common beliefs giving those bishops the broadest spectrum of popular support even though the accounts in the 4 gospels contradicted each other in several different areas on the most basic facts and sequences of events, and were not written for decades after the deaths of their attributed authors, and written in Greek, a language most of the apostles didn't even speak and altered in some of the translations over the centuries, I would want to discuss the events of the first century with someone who was there, someone who has been recast as an outsider and villified into a role that was most likely false by later Church fathers, someone who had a different and insider perspective to the people and events of the time, someone who may have had access and insight that very few others did Boudica-Celtic culture is a another area of high interest, and as a culture that is not necessarily as male-dominated as some of its contemporaries (like Roman culture for instance), I would want to discuss not only Celtic culture without the taint of being presented by its conquerors (as is the case with most of the Roman sources) or it's converters (as are most of the Irish Catholic sources), but how being a warrior queen among a disparate people and facing such an entrenched patriarchal society played out, whether her position was typical for women or was she a rarity even among her culture, etc. etc. Dee was a genius natural philosopher, and most likely a spymaster in Elizabeth's court, as well as being an astrologer and a magus in the more legendary aspects of his legacy. Most remember the links to Edward Kelly and Bohemia, Enochian, and the like, but he was a man who lived at both Elizabeth's court and the Bohemian court and was in the inner circle of both-the insights and inside information he would have, as well as the rumored contents of his personal library would make for a long and fascinating dinner conversation da Vinci-aside from all that we know, there is all that is rumored about the man, from links to the Templar legacy to the contents of the hidden notebooks, his alleged role in the creation of the Shroud of Turin, to just the artistic and scientific genius of the man, all the people he met and interacted with all over Renaissance Italy, exploring the real genius, debunking the barnacles of legend and conspiracy theory, sussing out the real and the imagined, there are so many possibilities in such an evening's discussion. -M It would be interesting to talk to some eye-witness of Jesus's activities, for sure. I'd pick Jesus for my own list, but he's such a shadowy figure, it's hard to know if he'd be a wise choice (for someone like me who's interested in the historical and philosophical aspects) or not. Boudicca would be one of my choices as well, though maybe not in my list of 5. You could have a list of Elizabethans - Dee, Christopher Marlowe, Ben Jonson, Francis Bacon, Raleigh, ... I'd like to hear what da Vinci thought of modern science, or the history of western art from his death to the present.
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 20, 2015 18:24:02 GMT -5
I'm still working on my list but I can't believe nobody has listed Bob Haney yet.
Come on! Bob Haney!
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 20, 2015 18:31:36 GMT -5
I'm still working on my list but I can't believe nobody has listed Bob Haney yet. Come on! Bob Haney! Cei-U had 3 different lists and STILL didn't name Bob Haney...
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