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Post by tingramretro on Jul 22, 2015 12:40:59 GMT -5
I think I may be the only person on the planet who considers the Angel (not Archangel) to be his favourite X-Man of all time. Aside from having always had a soft spot for millionaire playboy superheroes, he's just visually so cool, particularly in his Neal Adams designed costume.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 22, 2015 13:30:14 GMT -5
You might be I feel like I should like him... I love Tony Stark, after all. Maybe he's just too white bread? No angst really until the Apocalypse storyline.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 22, 2015 13:49:45 GMT -5
Yup. Even though I generally like the work of Thomas, Drake, Roth, Heck, Tuska, Smith and Steranko, none of them were doing their best work (well, maybe Roth) Oh Lord No. I love his Atlas stuff but I'm not sure there was a SA Marvel Artist lebe ss suited for (or maybe interested in) superhero work - Well, maybe Al Hartley.
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 25, 2015 8:07:53 GMT -5
You might be I feel like I should like him... I love Tony Stark, after all. Maybe he's just too white bread? No angst really until the Apocalypse storyline. Well, there was the story in which his father was murdered by his uncle in order to steal the Worthington family fortune...
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 27, 2015 17:00:00 GMT -5
I DID think that the Jerry Siegel(!) written Angel solo stories from... Marvel Tales, I think?.... were a lot stronger than most of the Silver Age X-men stuff.
(He said, damning with faint praise.)
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 27, 2015 23:04:41 GMT -5
I thought Marvel Tales was Spiderman reprints? OK, I found it... apparently there is indeed a 1/2 issue Angel solo story in Marvel Tales #30. That's gonna be a tricky one to find
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Post by berkley on Jul 28, 2015 0:50:59 GMT -5
This is so obvious that it's probably been mentioned already, but I think one problem with the original X-Men was their uniforms - which really were uniforms in that they all looked alike. The individual character concepts, good or bad, had plenty of contrast amongst them, but the visual contrast that should have accompanied that was deadened by those uniforms - which were dull and drab in themselves, on top of looking alike. Even characters like Angel, Ice-Man, and the Beast, whose physical forms had plenty of individuality, were rendered less striking than they should have been, partly because of those uniforms.
Speaking of the Beast, I never liked the furry version, though I would grudgingly concede that it was better than the original, "big-foot" look. I think the best redesign they could have done with this character would have been to give him a scary Mr. Hyde kind of look: that would have brought out the incongruency between his bestial appearance and his erudite mind and articulate speech better than the sort of weird but unthreatening, even comical, original version.
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 28, 2015 3:23:40 GMT -5
I thought Marvel Tales was Spiderman reprints? OK, I found it... apparently there is indeed a 1/2 issue Angel solo story in Marvel Tales #30. That's gonna be a tricky one to find Actually, that's just the concluding chapter of a three part story. Parts one and two were backups in Ka-Zar (vol 1) #2-3. The early issues of Marvel tales, incidentally, weren't just Spider-Man reprints. it was an anthology title which featured various Marvel characters, though the Spidey reprints were always in there somewhere.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 28, 2015 7:42:47 GMT -5
This is so obvious that it's probably been mentioned already, but I think one problem with the original X-Men was their uniforms - which really were uniforms in that they all looked alike. The individual character concepts, good or bad, had plenty of contrast amongst them, but the visual contrast that should have accompanied that was deadened by those uniforms - which were dull and drab in themselves, on top of looking alike. Even characters like Angel, Ice-Man, and the Beast, whose physical forms had plenty of individuality, were rendered less striking than they should have been, partly because of those uniforms. Speaking of the Beast, I never liked the furry version, though I would grudgingly concede that it was better than the original, "big-foot" look. I think the best redesign they could have done with this character would have been to give him a scary Mr. Hyde kind of look: that would have brought out the incongruency between his bestial appearance and his erudite mind and articulate speech better than the sort of weird but unthreatening, even comical, original version. If you look at those first few original Beast stories in Amazing Adventures, Tom Sutton depicts him as anything but "unthreatening, even comical." It was George Perez who gave us the cute 'n' cuddly Beast you decry. Cei-U! I summon the scary-ass monkey man!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 28, 2015 21:36:05 GMT -5
I thought Marvel Tales was Spiderman reprints? OK, I found it... apparently there is indeed a 1/2 issue Angel solo story in Marvel Tales #30. That's gonna be a tricky one to find Actually, that's just the concluding chapter of a three part story. Parts one and two were backups in Ka-Zar (vol 1) #2-3. The early issues of Marvel tales, incidentally, weren't just Spider-Man reprints. it was an anthology title which featured various Marvel characters, though the Spidey reprints were always in there somewhere. Would not have guessed that! I've only read 'em in reprints.
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 29, 2015 0:59:37 GMT -5
Coincidentally, I've only recently managed to obtain copies of the three issues that Angel story appeared in, after having searched for them for years. The only place I'd previously read it was in a black & white reprint in a Marvel UK title back in the 70s, I think.
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Post by zilch on Jul 29, 2015 9:10:44 GMT -5
And if you look closely, you'll find a Hercules story (with Avengers appearing) around the same era in one of the reprint comics... drove me crazy trying to find it pre-internet for my chronology work (my version of a Marvel calender).
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 29, 2015 11:19:14 GMT -5
And if you look closely, you'll find a Hercules story (with Avengers appearing) around the same era in one of the reprint comics... drove me crazy trying to find it pre-internet for my chronology work (my version of a Marvel calender). That Herc story is in Ka-Zar (volume 1) #1. All three issues of that series have a new backup story along with reprints of Ka-Zar appearances from X-Men, Daredevil and Spider-Man. #1 has Hercules, and #2 & 3 have the first two parts of that Angel story that ends in Marvel Tales #30. Btw, I didn't just know where that story was off the top of my head. I went to the GCD and searched for 'Feature' named 'Hercules', sorted by date. It was on the second page of the results.
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 29, 2015 13:57:36 GMT -5
And if you look closely, you'll find a Hercules story (with Avengers appearing) around the same era in one of the reprint comics... drove me crazy trying to find it pre-internet for my chronology work (my version of a Marvel calender). I think I remember that one, too! Another one I only ever saw as a British reprint, never knew where it came from until now! But it leads into an issue of Sub-Mariner.
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 29, 2015 14:03:48 GMT -5
And having looked it up on the Marvel database wiki: it actually leads into Sub-Mariner #29.
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