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Post by zilch on Sept 24, 2015 1:45:59 GMT -5
I was always under the impression that the individual JSA members may not have just quit altogether, but still kept up undercover or still out of the spotlight.
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 24, 2015 6:51:15 GMT -5
Wonder Woman #277
March 1981 (December 8, 1980) $.50
Cover Art: Ross Andru (Penciller), Dick Giordano (Inker), signed
“Secrets, Secrets Everywhere…” 8 pages
Len Wein (Editor), Paul Levitz (Writer), Joe Staton (Penciller), Steve Mitchell (Inker), Milt Snapinn (Letterer), Adrienne Roy (Colorist)
FC: The Huntress
SC: Carole Martin, Harry Sims
Villain: Joe Martin
Synopsis
A restless Helena Wayne broods over the ramifications of District Attorney Harry Sims knowing her identity. Meanwhile at the Cranston, Grayson & Wayne offices, Joe Martin collects his blackmail money from Carole. He slaps her when she balks at letting him search the firm's files for prospects for future extortion schemes. Too bad for Joe that the Huntress appears on the scene. She forcefully throws him out, unaware he is Carole's ex-husband until the distraught secretary explains her situation to the sympathetic super-heroine. The Huntress tracks and captures Joe Martin, persuades Carole to press charges and encourages her to tell Helena and the other partners the truth rather than run away.
...and with this entry, Part Two of my Earth-Two survey comes to a close. Since Part Three is mostly incomplete (and likely to stay that way for some time given my other commitments), I can't even hazard a guess when it mightl be posted. Someday, I promise!
Cei-U!
I summon the unavoidable intermission!
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Post by foxley on Sept 24, 2015 8:09:09 GMT -5
I was always under the impression that the individual JSA members may not have just quit altogether, but still kept up undercover or still out of the spotlight. Post-crisis, Batman: Year Two established Alan Scott as having come out of retirement briefly when the Reaper started murdering the criminal element of Gotham City. After Alan was injured by the Reaper, the rest of the JSA suited up and drove the Reaper out of Gotham. But that was post-Crisis... |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 16, 2015 16:36:31 GMT -5
I miss this thread.
I just finished America Vs. the Justice Society by Roy Thomas for the first time, which was released in 1985? (My copy says "1965" which is, I'm sure, incorrect.) I guess this was intended to be the last Earth Two Story? I wish they'd had Roy do an introduction to place it in context. I may like his writing about comics more than I like his actual comics!
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 16, 2015 20:27:50 GMT -5
I just finished America Vs. the Justice Society by Roy Thomas for the first time, which was released in 1985? (My copy says "1965" which is, I'm sure, incorrect.) I guess this was intended to be the last Earth Two Story? I wish they'd had Roy do an introduction to place it in context. I may like his writing about comics more than I like his actual comics! I loved America vs. the Justice Society when it first came out and for a while - up to about five years ago - it was one of the comics that I kept in a special pile with all the other comics that I was reading once a year or so. I sure miss All-Star Squadron. What they did to All-Star Squadron because of Crisis on Infinite Earths is one of the great tragedies of the Bronze Age. Since every 12 issues of All-Star Squadron covered about two months of World War II, do you suppose they would now be at the end of the war if it had been published continuously to the modern day? |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 16, 2015 20:38:20 GMT -5
America Vs. the Justice Society is an absolute mess. Utterly unreadable.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 16, 2015 21:00:17 GMT -5
America Vs. the Justice Society is an absolute mess. Utterly unreadable. I liked it. I'm not sure the plot makes much sense in the end, but continuity fetishism as courtroom drama was a novel enough idea that it carried the whole book for me. I'm not 100% sold on
Batman going crazy at the end,
Other than that I liked it. It was very.... well... Roy Thomas, but I consider that a plus. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 16, 2015 21:10:20 GMT -5
America Vs. the Justice Society is an absolute mess. Utterly unreadable. I won't deny the "mess" part of your statement. But what a wonderful mess! I don't know how many times I've read it. It ended up in storage the last time I moved or I'd have read it two or three more times. |
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Post by zilch on Oct 16, 2015 22:34:57 GMT -5
If i remember correctly, AvsJS suffered from having such varying artwork due to the fact it was sort of put together in different formats (6 issue miniseries, later as a graphic novel, then back to a 4 issue mini) and trying to find some one to do the whole thing (and Alfredo Alcola is not suited for super-hero work) and a sorta stop n go pacing...
I always thought that the whole Bruce goes crazy thing was due to what was killing him... and a post-Crisis version of this story using Mister Terrific has always haunted the back of my head...
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 17, 2015 7:33:31 GMT -5
If i remember correctly, AvsJS suffered from having such varying artwork due to the fact it was sort of put together in different formats (6 issue miniseries, later as a graphic novel, then back to a 4 issue mini) and trying to find some one to do the whole thing (and Alfredo Alcola is not suited for super-hero work) and a sorta stop n go pacing... I always thought that the whole Bruce goes crazy thing was due to what was killing him... and a post-Crisis version of this story using Mister Terrific has always haunted the back of my head... Although Roy never made it explicit, I've always assumed that Bruce's odd behavior regarding the Batman Diary was due to being under the spell of the Psycho-Pirate at that time, as seen in All-Star #66-69. And I'm with Slam. AvJS is an unreadable mess, one I'll never read again unless required to professionally. Cei-U! Surprised this thread is still alive! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 10:58:52 GMT -5
I just finished America Vs. the Justice Society by Roy Thomas for the first time, which was released in 1985? (My copy says "1965" which is, I'm sure, incorrect.) I guess this was intended to be the last Earth Two Story? I wish they'd had Roy do an introduction to place it in context. I may like his writing about comics more than I like his actual comics! I sure miss All-Star Squadron. What they did to All-Star Squadron because of Crisis on Infinite Earths is one of the great tragedies of the Bronze Age. and after this Event was over - my DC Comics World just simply fell apart seam by seam and having said that - All Star Squadron was history and I certainty agree with your assessment that Crisis was one of the greatest tragedies of all time. |
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Post by earth2mark on Feb 15, 2016 17:43:44 GMT -5
Each of the Who's Who profiles on All-Stars who appeared on Earth-One state these are the same character. Exceptions being Vigilante and Wildcat who had counterparts appear simultaneously to their twins. Not two different Robert Cranes or Zatara's. Air Wave was explicitly stated as being an Earth-Two emigre.
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 15, 2016 19:10:23 GMT -5
If you look back at the ection on Methodology in the first thread, you'll see I don't use the Who's Who profiles in the Guide.
There is no comic book published pre-Crisis that explicitly depicts or references the emigrations of heroes from Earth-Two to Earth-One apart from Black Canary, Spectre, Steel, Sargon and Red Tornado. E. Nelson Bridwell in a Jimmy Olsen text piece specifically stated there were two sets of Newsboy Legions and two Guardians. America Vs the Justice Society notes the existence of the two Robert Cranes. The E1 Air Wave is the cousin of Hal Jordan. There has never been any indication that the Jordan family originated in another dimension, nor had Hal ever heard of E2 prior to JLA #21-22. Regardless of what Who's Who says, the E1 and E2 characters cannot be identical pre-Crisis. Zatara's series ran into the mid-'50s without ever mentioning the existence of Zatanna, who would have to have been born prior to 1943 in order to be working nightclubs in 1964. That doesn't mean there has to be two Zataras but it's an argument in favor.
I would answer this at greater length but I'm elbow deep in 1940 Centaur comics just now. This was all the time I can spare.
At any rate, Mark, I'm glad you're enjoying these threads.
Cei-U!
I summon the quick-and-dirty answer!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 16, 2016 13:28:49 GMT -5
If you look back at the ection on Methodology in the first thread, you'll see I don't use the Who's Who profiles in the Guide. There is no comic book published pre-Crisis that explicitly depicts or references the emigrations of heroes from Earth-Two to Earth-One apart from Black Canary, Spectre, Steel, Sargon and Red Tornado. E. Nelson Bridwell in a Jimmy Olsen text piece specifically stated there were two sets of Newsboy Legions and two Guardians. America Vs the Justice Society notes the existence of the two Robert Cranes. The E1 Air Wave is the cousin of Hal Jordan. There has never been any indication that the Jordan family originated in another dimension, nor had Hal ever heard of E2 prior to JLA #21-22. Regardless of what Who's Who says, the E1 and E2 characters cannot be identical pre-Crisis. Zatara's series ran into the mid-'50s without ever mentioning the existence of Zatanna, who would have to have been born prior to 1943 in order to be working nightclubs in 1964. That doesn't mean there has to be two Zataras but it's an argument in favor. I would answer this at greater length but I'm elbow deep in 1940 Centaur comics just now. This was all the time I can spare. At any rate, Mark, I'm glad you're enjoying these threads. Cei-U! I summon the quick-and-dirty answer! Extremely minor point, but the age for performing in bars (or working!) is often younger than the age for admittance. I did comedy in Seattle clubs when I was 19. (This does not affect your overall point, though.) Is Bill Everett's stuff for Centaur as good as his work for Marvel? |
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Post by earth2mark on Feb 17, 2016 23:29:08 GMT -5
Thank you for the welcome, Cei-U. I do recall the reference on DC Comics Presents I.e the other Robotman, and in an early All-Star where Roy mentioned it was doubtful Robotman would every meet the Earth-One Paul Dennis. But if I recall in America vs Justice Society, Roy (as he was want to do at times such as with the Quality characters ) reversed his earlier decision as blended the accounts into being the same character. And it is kind of nice to think about each Earth having its own distinct Robotman. And as to the Zatara fathering Zatanna quandary, if hypothetically he moved Earths where his was twenty years different than his new home, perhaps that would explain the time gap needed to sire the heroine?
Still you provide good food for thought.
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