Polar Bear
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Post by Polar Bear on Dec 29, 2014 13:23:14 GMT -5
Wow. Great story, Shax. Day ElevenWhat If? #32, "What if the Avengers Had Become Pawns of Korvac?" by Greunwald/LaRocque, 1982 Following up on the Avengers #177 several of you have chosen comes this issue of What If?'s original run. Although I'd read "cosmic" stories before, ranging from the aforementioned Spidey Super Stories "Star Jaws" issue to the two Thanos storylines, Thor #300 (far more cosmic than many give it credit for), and the Dark Phoenix Saga, this issue of "What If?" was by far the most cosmic thing I'd ever read. How could it not be? If featured the Watcher, Galactus, the Living Tribunal, the In-Betweener, Death, the Gardener, the Grandmaster, Lord Chaos, Master Order, and several others I can't even remember right now. It's mind-blowing in its execution, and it leaves one feeling ... I don't know, shocked. Cold. It's very effective. It's essentially a horror story dressed in stars and galaxies. Seek it out.
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Post by MWGallaher on Dec 29, 2014 13:31:04 GMT -5
#2 Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen #142 by Jack Kirby with Vince CollettaOn the first day, I expressed my love for my first comic, but today, it's the one that started me collecting. I've told the story many times: young fan of monster movies who couldn't find an issue of Famous Monsters on the stands looks over to the comics spinner and picks this as a substitute. I remember seeing this listed as one of the 10 Worst Jack Kirby Stories ever published. If Jack's worst could make a kid into a life-long comic book fan, that's saying something. Another really special thing about this issue: I got to meet Kirby at a convention in Atlanta in about 1990. Incredibly, there was almost noone talking to him as he sat at his table, so I got to spend about 15 minutes chatting with the King, expressing my appreciation and hearing him express his appreciation for his fans and for the talented people he had worked with, including Joe Simon and Stan Lee, particularly. He had a stack of art for sale, and as I fished through it, I found a page from this very issue! Needless to say, I bought it, coughing up the high price of--what?! FIFTY dollars!?!?--for a page of Tales of the DNA Project: The Mountain of Judgment! Thanks, Jack, for everything.
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Post by badwolf on Dec 29, 2014 19:18:31 GMT -5
What If? #32, "What if the Avengers Had Become Pawns of Korvac?" by Greunwald/LaRocque, 1982 Always loved this issue. I read it decades before I'd read the actual Korvac saga, and even though that might make me biased, I like the What If version much better.
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 29, 2014 21:39:19 GMT -5
Wow. Great story, Shax. Day ElevenWhat If? #32, "What if the Avengers Had Become Pawns of Korvac?" by Greunwald/LaRocque, 1982 Following up on the Avengers #177 several of you have chosen comes this issue of What If?'s original run. Although I'd read "cosmic" stories before, ranging from the aforementioned Spidey Super Stories "Star Jaws" issue to the two Thanos storylines, Thor #300 (far more cosmic than many give it credit for), and the Dark Phoenix Saga, this issue of "What If?" was by far the most cosmic thing I'd ever read. How could it not be? If featured the Watcher, Galactus, the Living Tribunal, the In-Betweener, Death, the Gardener, the Grandmaster, Lord Chaos, Master Order, and several others I can't even remember right now. It's mind-blowing in its execution, and it leaves one feeling ... I don't know, shocked. Cold. It's very effective. It's essentially a horror story dressed in stars and galaxies. Seek it out. What a great comic. So epic in scale.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 29, 2014 22:58:00 GMT -5
Eightball # 15 April, 1995. The first time I read it, this was the best comic I had ever read. (It's probably not STILL the best comic I've ever read, but I haven't been keeping track.) I loved the size of it*, I loved the feel of it**, I loved the smell of it***, I loved the one page gag strip in the back. I loved the chapter of Ghost World (still one of my favorite comics) and I loved "Caricature" - the main feature, which was a damn tour de force in 16 pages. It's a laconically angry story about the subtle power dynamics between lovers - Or stuff that, when I first read this comic at 21, I had no idea that Biff! Bang! Pow! COMICS! could talk about. If Sandman taught me that comics didn't have to be for kids, this comic taught me that comics could deal with grown-up issues as intelligently and (in this case) savagely as ANY media. Comics are as good books, or movies, or anything. And even today it's damn near perfect - Not a single artistic mis-step in the whole book. Even the smell! * Slightly oversize! ** Slightly rough! *** Piney! That might have just been my copy, though.
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Post by berkley on Dec 31, 2014 0:48:15 GMT -5
Eightball # 15 April, 1995. The first time I read it, this was the best comic I had ever read. (It's probably not STILL the best comic I've ever read, but I haven't been keeping track.) I loved the size of it*, I loved the feel of it**, I loved the smell of it***, I loved the one page gag strip in the back. I loved the chapter of Ghost World (still one of my favorite comics) and I loved "Caricature" - the main feature, which was a damn tour de force in 16 pages. It's a laconically angry story about the subtle power dynamics between lovers - Or stuff that, when I first read this comic at 21, I had no idea that Biff! Bang! Pow! COMICS! could talk about. If Sandman taught me that comics didn't have to be for kids, this comic taught me that comics could deal with grown-up issues as intelligently and (in this case) savagely as ANY media. Comics are as good books, or movies, or anything. And even today it's damn near perfect - Not a single artistic mis-step in the whole book. Even the smell! * Slightly oversize! ** Slightly rough! *** Piney! That might have just been my copy, though. As with most post-70s books, I'd have to re-read the entire Eightball series to see which individual issues stood out for me. This could well be one of them, though, because I agree that Caricature was one of the many highlights of the book's run and I still think that Ghost World read better as a serial than as a collection - something about the pacing and the episodic nature of how the narrative unfolds, each individual instalment feeling as isolated, lost, and unrooted as the two protagonists, I dunno.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 31, 2014 7:23:22 GMT -5
Wow. Great story, Shax. Day ElevenWhat If? #32, "What if the Avengers Had Become Pawns of Korvac?" by Greunwald/LaRocque, 1982 Following up on the Avengers #177 several of you have chosen comes this issue of What If?'s original run. Although I'd read "cosmic" stories before, ranging from the aforementioned Spidey Super Stories "Star Jaws" issue to the two Thanos storylines, Thor #300 (far more cosmic than many give it credit for), and the Dark Phoenix Saga, this issue of "What If?" was by far the most cosmic thing I'd ever read. How could it not be? If featured the Watcher, Galactus, the Living Tribunal, the In-Betweener, Death, the Gardener, the Grandmaster, Lord Chaos, Master Order, and several others I can't even remember right now. It's mind-blowing in its execution, and it leaves one feeling ... I don't know, shocked. Cold. It's very effective. It's essentially a horror story dressed in stars and galaxies. Seek it out. What a great comic. So epic in scale. In a way, this might have been the precursor to the Infinity Gauntlet.
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Post by spoon on Dec 31, 2014 19:09:05 GMT -5
#2 - Uncanny X-Men #166This one has a Christmas story, so it's an appropriate pick. At least for me, assembling a back issue collection as a kid could be tough. Not much money. The LCS might not have a coveted issue. Only shops would be hard to reach. When I was a kid, I really wanted Uncanny X-Men #166. I knew it as the climax of the Brood storyline (although #167 served as an epilogue). I had several issues from the storyline, but I couldn't find #166 in either it's original printing or as a Classic X-Men reprint. I think I might have seen it at one point but it was pretty expensive for my limited means. So I put it on my Christmas list. Some people are introduced to comics by their parents. That wasn't the case for me. If I mentioned a particular issue of a comic to my mom, I felt like I was speaking a foreign language. So I thought she might just pass on getting me any comics I asked for in favor of getting something else. But there it was on Christmas morning! It was much more valued than anything else I received that Christmas. At the point, almost every X-Men story I had from that era or earlier were via reprints. So to have an original of a key issue like that was amazing. Plus, it's a pretty good story.
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Post by Polar Bear on Jan 1, 2015 9:56:53 GMT -5
I think the Brood saga was the last great X-men story, actually. It's certainly the last "saga" I fully enjoyed.
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Post by The Captain on Jan 1, 2015 13:32:48 GMT -5
Wow. Great story, Shax. Day ElevenWhat If? #32, "What if the Avengers Had Become Pawns of Korvac?" by Greunwald/LaRocque, 1982 Following up on the Avengers #177 several of you have chosen comes this issue of What If?'s original run. Although I'd read "cosmic" stories before, ranging from the aforementioned Spidey Super Stories "Star Jaws" issue to the two Thanos storylines, Thor #300 (far more cosmic than many give it credit for), and the Dark Phoenix Saga, this issue of "What If?" was by far the most cosmic thing I'd ever read. How could it not be? If featured the Watcher, Galactus, the Living Tribunal, the In-Betweener, Death, the Gardener, the Grandmaster, Lord Chaos, Master Order, and several others I can't even remember right now. It's mind-blowing in its execution, and it leaves one feeling ... I don't know, shocked. Cold. It's very effective. It's essentially a horror story dressed in stars and galaxies. Seek it out. I had this in my hands the other day but did not pick it up (it was only $.50). Looks like I'll have to head back to that store and grab it now.
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Post by The Captain on Jan 1, 2015 13:42:28 GMT -5
2. X-Men #153 (Marvel 1981)This entry probably shouldn't surprise anyone. I've made my case for this story time and time again and enjoyed your kind laughter in reply. In 1991, I was first discovering the X-Men. On a friend's recommendation, I checked out X-Men #275. I couldn't understand a lot of what was happening, as the issue wrapped up years worth of Claremont continuity in one climactic story, but I was impressed enough by the sense that things had been building for a long while now, characters evolving, that I wanted to stick along for the ride and be part of wherever these characters were going next. So, when I first noticed a second X-Men title on the shelves the next month, I picked up the two issues I found from that series as well, not really understanding at the time that X-Men Classic was an all-reprint title. But that was for the best, really, as those two issues gave me all the background I needed to really understand what the X-Men were and where they had been. Those two issues were #42 (reprinting one of the final chapters of The Dark Phoenix Saga) and #57 (reprinting "Kitty's Fairytale"). While I was intrigued by the dire scope of The Dark Phoenix Saga, it was "Kitty's Fairytale" that really hit home for me and turned me into a hardcore X-Men fan. As I was reminded again with Richard Bishop's selection of X-Men #303 for Day 10, while the X-Men provided many compelling high-stakes storylines and events, it was always the epilogues they did best -- those moments when things had finally quieted down, and it was time to rebuild, and for characters to emotionally process all that had occurred and be changed by those events. X-Men #153 does just that, providing a necessary emotional reconciliation of the terrible loss the team had experienced during The Dark Phoenix Saga. We're given ridiculous, light-hearted fare as Kitty tells an absurdly childish fairytale version of The Dark Phoenix Saga to young Ilyana, but it humanizes each character and brings out their soft sides when they'd spent the past year having to conceal them in the face of a cosmic force that threatened to destroy everything and, in the process, broke all of their hearts. This story so effortlessly blended helping the team to laugh for the first time since Jean's death with subtly revealing the depth of emotional impact The Dark Phoenix Saga had taken on them all. It made them human and, for the first time since their Christmas shopping spree way back in X-Men #98, had made them a family again too. I could feel it then and, while the story does seem far sillier to me all these years later in hindsight, I can still feel it now when I re-read it, as well. But this issue has an even greater meaning for me beyond all this. Ever since reading X-Men Classic #57 at the age of 11, I've loved Kitty Pryde. I didn't have a crush on her, I didn't want to date her, and I couldn't imagine the two of us ever hanging out as friends, but there was something about her -- her warmth, brilliance, spunkiness, and imagination -- that I adored. I loved her in a way I didn't understand. Until I got to know my firstborn. As my young daughter began to grow and make sense of the world, I gradually came to realize that this was what I had always wanted out of Kitty Pryde. She was, in essence, my dream daughter. And so, fully understanding that my daughter would grow into her own person and could not be shackled by expectations, I nevertheless kept the Kitty Pryde ideal in mind and, as I played with her, attempted to talk with her, and taught her, I tried to ignite a mind that could be every bit as beautiful and brilliant as Kitty's. And, as Ellie grew, I began to see a young woman even smarter, kinder, more loving, and more imaginative than that two dimensional character could ever be. My daughter (well, both. I have two now) are more than a guy like me could ever have hoped for. And so, when Ellie began to show a passing interest in comics (as a six year old, she still isn't totally enamored by them, but she gets excited from time to time), I told her about Kitty Pryde, and we stretched out on the floor to read X-Men #153 together. Of course, she instantly took a liking to Kitty and to the story, also finding the comedy laugh-out-loud hysterical while only somewhat grasping the sense of loss that framed the whole story. Delighted that she had enjoyed it, and thoroughly moved by the moment we'd shared, I gave her the book. That copy is now my second favorite comic of all time. It symbolizes so much that matters to me about who Ellie is and the bond we share, as well as the memory of that moment in time, stretched out on the floor of her toy room, reading and laughing together. Additionally, when we went to Motor City Comicon last year, Ellie met Chris Claremont (twice, actually. There's a whole story there), and he was very surprised to learn she actually knew something about the X-Men and loved Kitty Pryde. They had a conversation that lasted at least three minutes, in which Claremont looked even more delighted than Ellie as they held up an absurdly long line of fan boys with large stacks of comics to be signed. Chris signed Ellie's copy of X-men #153: but only after seeing that I'd signed it first. One day, I hope Ellie will be a passionate comic collector with this book at the center of her collection but, for now, it matters to me. I'm finally getting around to reading through some of the later posts of the 12 Days, and I'm not ashamed to admit this one made me tear up. As the father of two daughters myself, I have some of the same feelings about my girls as you obviously do about yours.
My older daughter, Emma, just turned nine, and she is getting very interested in comics herself. She currently reads My Little Pony every month, but she also has two Marvel Team-Up Essentials that she got this past year (one from the LCS on Free Comic Book Day, and one I got her for Christmas) that she is reading to death. She desperately wants to read my collection, and while I won't let her get into that yet, she obviously has a passion for comics and I need to nurture that or else I risk losing a connection I can have with her as she will find something else to capture her interest.
Your story has inspired me to take more care in cultivating my relationship with her and in developing her love for comics that we can hopefully share for years. Thank you, my friend.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 1, 2015 22:10:06 GMT -5
My older daughter, Emma, just turned nine, and she is getting very interested in comics herself. She currently reads My Little Pony every month, but she also has two Marvel Team-Up Essentials that she got this past year (one from the LCS on Free Comic Book Day, and one I got her for Christmas) that she is reading to death. She desperately wants to read my collection, and while I won't let her get into that yet, she obviously has a passion for comics and I need to nurture that or else I risk losing a connection I can have with her as she will find something else to capture her interest. It is so awesome that she has that interest, as well as the fact that she's so into the Marvel Team-Ups. I'd love to see Ellie's interest become that piqued one day. This is pretty much one of the nicest things anyone has ever told me, Richard. Wow. I'm honored that I've contributed in some small way to the building of an amazing bond between yourself and Emma. Sincerest thanks to you; I think I'm about to tear up, myself
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