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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 8:17:50 GMT -5
So, does Batman have a detective "equivalent" in the Marvel Universe?
I can't really think of one. There are people with a high intellect - and characters who have to use detective skills, but is there anyone who we could consider a "detective" in almost exactly the way Batman is?
Spider-Man? I don't know. He's smart. And probably has had to do some investigating at times. But I suppose my question is about someone who has not only had to utilise detective skills, but had to do it over a long period of time, often being a crucial part of their work.
I look forward to your thoughts.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 16, 2019 8:27:21 GMT -5
Maybe Tony Stark in the sense that he solves mysteries with technology.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 16, 2019 8:34:38 GMT -5
Moon Knight was pretty much a Batman clone when he got his own series...
Of course, he went through so many changes since then (adamantium armor, killed and resurrected, avatar of an Egyptian god, victim of multiple personality disorder) that it’s hard to say nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 8:48:29 GMT -5
In the Golden Age The Angel. link |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 8:49:55 GMT -5
In the Golden Age The Angel. Off to Wikipedia I go.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 8:53:25 GMT -5
In the Golden Age The Angel. Off to Wikipedia I go. Added the link for you... |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 16, 2019 8:56:56 GMT -5
In the Golden Age The Angel. The Angel was closer to a Saint clone, with a costume (at least, in his early stories). Gustavson and the writer(s) used a lot of elements from the Charteris series, including his calling card. Here, you have a matter of approach. DC was more of a writer-driven company, which meant more intricate plots, while Marvel, all the way back to Timely, was more about the visuals. DC editors loved their mysteries and used writers who could deliver them. Timely Golden Age reflected more of wilder pulps and Marvel was more the sci-fi adventure, soap opera, and basic crime structure. Mystery plots varied from writer to writer. Moench was one of the better ones, for that kind of thing. Iron Man used mystery structure to a certain extent; but, more in problem solving how to beat some tech foe. Moon Knight used it a bit; but, evolved into more psychological stuff. Master of Kung Fu used it more, in some stories, mixing it with the spy stuff (which espionage and detective stories have a lot in common). |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 16, 2019 9:04:22 GMT -5
You would need a person without any powers to need to solve crimes in that manner. I was thinking Daredevil or Spider-man, the street level guys, but they rely on their powers to do everything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 9:19:57 GMT -5
Powers aside, Daredevil is one I'm glad to see mentioned.
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Post by tarkintino on Jun 16, 2019 12:35:46 GMT -5
Powers aside, Daredevil is one I'm glad to see mentioned. Daredevil is a good choice; more than his powers, early DD stories had him using his civilian intellect, which is Batman's hallmark as a true detective, as opposed to Tony Stark, who almost exclusively relies on tech for everything. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 13:07:02 GMT -5
Moon Knight, Black Panther, and Nick Fury Night Thrasher would be my top three choices.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 16, 2019 13:39:44 GMT -5
Batman "patrolled" Gotham City, like Superman in Metropolis, Flash in Central City, Aquaman the seven seas (and surrounding communities!), Green Arrow in Star City, and Green Lantern in Sector 57-whatever. They looked for criminal activity on purpose.
The MU heroes didn't have that same charge; it seemed more that they were there to answer the emergency calls or simply attracted danger to themselves by dint of their celebrity. Think how often the Baxter Building and Avengers Mansion came under siege. Spider-Man sought out crime to take pictures of himself fighting it. Maybe DD did some "patrolling?" Cap seemed to be a government agent. Iron Man was Stark's bodyguard.
I can' think of any of them, once granted power, whose first thought was, "I'm going to fight crime" as so many of the DC heroes did.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 13:51:04 GMT -5
Moon Knight, Black Panther, and Nick Fury would be my top three choices. That's a good answer (all answers have been good), but I wonder, Fury's profession is a spy; Bruce Wayne is a detective, albeit a semi-sanctioned one. Is there overlap between intelligence work and detective work? Or not? Not claiming to know the answer, just throwing it out there. Would, for instance, a CIA agent easily transition to being, say, a NYPD detective? Would a NYPD detective easily transition to being a CIA agent? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 14:44:17 GMT -5
hmm. . . well, first thing that comes to mind is Jessica Jones, as she IS a "detective". . but she's a more recent character rather than a classic one. if we're looking for "classic" ? the only characters who even come close, are more "Private Eyes". . but typically show some detective like skills, and use them to "solve" crimes that they then take care of. Paladin (who started off in Daredevil):  and Hannibal King (from Tomb of Dracula): (tho he's often more portrayed as a 'supernatural detective' so he's closer to Constantine than Batman. and these days? he's even drawn to look like Constantine from DC  more current look:  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 14:46:08 GMT -5
Batman "patrolled" Gotham City, like Superman in Metropolis, Flash in Central City, Aquaman the seven seas (and surrounding communities!), Green Arrow in Star City, and Green Lantern in Sector 57-whatever. They looked for criminal activity on purpose. The MU heroes didn't have that same charge; it seemed more that they were there to answer the emergency calls or simply attracted danger to themselves by dint of their celebrity. Think how often the Baxter Building and Avengers Mansion came under siege. Spider-Man sought out crime to take pictures of himself fighting it. Maybe DD did some "patrolling?" Cap seemed to be a government agent. Iron Man was Stark's bodyguard. I can' think of any of them, once granted power, whose first thought was, "I'm going to fight crime" as so many of the DC heroes did. All of that is definitely worth exploring in a future topic! |
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