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Post by tingramretro on Apr 13, 2019 19:59:13 GMT -5
It's been my understanding that "bloody" is the equivalent of "f'ing." Uh...no. |
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Post by tingramretro on Apr 13, 2019 20:01:31 GMT -5
I'm curious. I don't know if this is cultural stereotyping but sometime over these many years, I've gained the impression that the word 'bloody' is considered a far worse cuss word to the British than the examples given here. Accurate or no? It's been my understanding that "bloody" is the equivalent of "f'ing." "Bloody" is definitely a more severe swear word in the UK than it is in the States, and, yes, it is considered worse than "damn" and "hell". As a kid, "bloody" was definitely a forbidden word -- not just for me, but among my friends too. No way is it the equivalent of "f***ing" though, which is a full on expletive. "Bloody" is, according to my Chambers English dictionary, a mildly offensive intensifier, as in, "This weather is too bloody hot!" "F***ing", on the other hand, is a sexually derived piece of vulgar slang and considered much more offensive than "bloody". As for this thread in general, I can't imagine anyone I know or have ever known in Britain getting out of bed about a child using the terms "Hell" or "Damn". These are not swear words. And as tingramretro points out, both were fairly common in children's comics and pre-watershed TV in the '70s and '80s. Let's be clear about this though: neither "hell" or "damn" are actually expletives or pieces of sexual or vulgar slang. "Hell" is simply an intensifier, and "damn" is sometimes used as an intensifier, and sometimes as an interjection to express anger, irritation, contempt, or disappointment. The religious connotations of the word "damn" or "hell" are basically irrelevant in Britain. Hmm, maybe "bloody" is considered more offensive in some areas than others? |
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Post by Confessor on Apr 14, 2019 4:07:14 GMT -5
"Bloody" is definitely a more severe swear word in the UK than it is in the States, and, yes, it is considered worse than "damn" and "hell". As a kid, "bloody" was definitely a forbidden word -- not just for me, but among my friends too. No way is it the equivalent of "f***ing" though, which is a full on expletive. "Bloody" is, according to my Chambers English dictionary, a mildly offensive intensifier, as in, "This weather is too bloody hot!" "F***ing", on the other hand, is a sexually derived piece of vulgar slang and considered much more offensive than "bloody". As for this thread in general, I can't imagine anyone I know or have ever known in Britain getting out of bed about a child using the terms "Hell" or "Damn". These are not swear words. And as tingramretro points out, both were fairly common in children's comics and pre-watershed TV in the '70s and '80s. Let's be clear about this though: neither "hell" or "damn" are actually expletives or pieces of sexual or vulgar slang. "Hell" is simply an intensifier, and "damn" is sometimes used as an intensifier, and sometimes as an interjection to express anger, irritation, contempt, or disappointment. The religious connotations of the word "damn" or "hell" are basically irrelevant in Britain. Hmm, maybe "bloody" is considered more offensive in some areas than others? No, I don't think so. As previously mentioned, you'd never see "bloody" in a British children's comic or hear it on kid's TV, back in the day, but you would see/hear "damn" or "hell". To be honest, I doubt that you'd hear the word "bloody" in things aimed at children even now. The fact that the English dictionary even makes a distinction between the severity of "bloody" and, say, "damn" (the former is a mildy offensive swearword, the latter isn't) shows that "bloody" is still wildly considered to be a mild swearword in Britain, even today. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 14, 2019 6:25:40 GMT -5
It must be an across the pond thing. I remember using the word " bloody" in a post and was told to remove it. I remember years ago when the word " scumbag" was considered up there with the 4 letter words that still aren't said.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 14, 2019 7:54:54 GMT -5
On behalf of all Americans, can I ask what "bloody" actually means? We all get what the F word is, as well as what is objectionable about "damn," "hell," and even "fanny" has been explained to me. I still don't understand "bloody".
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Post by MDG on Apr 14, 2019 8:07:43 GMT -5
On behalf of all Americans, can I ask what "bloody" actually means? We all get what the F word is, as well as what is objectionable about "damn," "hell," and even "fanny" has been explained to me. I still don't understand "bloody". As I understand, "bloody" was originally "by our lady," or literally swearing on the mother of Jesus. I thought it was interesting when Milestone Comics used a type of scribble to denote swearing. |
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Post by Confessor on Apr 14, 2019 9:32:19 GMT -5
On behalf of all Americans, can I ask what "bloody" actually means? We all get what the F word is, as well as what is objectionable about "damn," "hell," and even "fanny" has been explained to me. I still don't understand "bloody". As I understand, "bloody" was originally "by our lady," or literally swearing on the mother of Jesus. I had absolutely no idea where "bloody" as a mild swear word was derived from, despite having heard it frequently from grown ups as a kid and having used it countless times as an adult. But a quick Google search shows that MDG is basically correct. According to the Oxford Dictionary website: " After the mid 18th century until quite recently bloody used as a swear word was regarded as unprintable, probably from the mistaken belief that it implied a blasphemous reference to the blood of Christ, or that the word was an alteration of 'by Our Lady'; hence a widespread caution in using the term even in phrases, such as bloody battle, merely referring to bloodshed." Something else I remember from when I was a kid was that sometimes adults would use the sound-a-like word "ruddy" in place of "bloody". As in, "the ruddy TV won't work!" or "it's ruddy hot in here!" |
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Post by chaykinstevens on Apr 14, 2019 16:18:45 GMT -5
A Brythunian called someone a worthless w*** in Conan the Barbarian #24 from March 1973. Roy Thomas said Barry Smith had suggested this and had assured him the word was innocuous.
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Post by electricmastro on Jul 22, 2019 23:41:23 GMT -5
The swearing done in Jessica Jones' Alias series must have been pretty eye-opening at the time. NSFW content: |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 23, 2019 5:44:43 GMT -5
The swearing done in Jessica Jones' Alias series must have been pretty eye-opening at the time. Not really. Alias was published under Marvel's mature line, Marvel MAX (in fact, it was the first Marvel MAX comic), and the presence of swearing and more adult content was something that was highlighted and promoted in the pre-launch build up to issue #1. I remember, for instance, that the fact that the first word of the comic was "F**k!" was heavily publicised. So, I think most people who were buying Marvel comics at the time probably knew exactly what kind of language they'd get in the comic. BTW electricmastro, I edited your above post to hide the language in that image. The CCF is a family-friendly, workplace safe forum and cursing like that is discouraged, even if it's on a comic page. Please take a look at the forum Rules of the Road and familiarise yourself with the expected conduct here. Thank you and welcome to the forum. |
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Post by electricmastro on Jul 23, 2019 15:51:01 GMT -5
The swearing done in Jessica Jones' Alias series must have been pretty eye-opening at the time. Not really. Alias was published under Marvel's mature line, Marvel MAX (in fact, it was the first Marvel MAX comic), and the presence of swearing and more adult content was something that was highlighted and promoted in the pre-launch build up to issue #1. I remember, for instance, that the fact that the first word of the comic was "F**k!" was heavily publicised. So, I think most people who were buying Marvel comics at the time probably knew exactly what kind of language they'd get in the comic. BTW electricmastro , I edited your above post to hide the language in that image. The CCF is a family-friendly, workplace safe forum and cursing like that is discouraged, even if it's on a comic page. Please take a look at the forum Rules of the Road and familiarise yourself with the expected conduct here. Thank you and welcome to the forum. Ah, I saw the rule where it said, "Avoid cursing, explicit discussions, and graphic images unless you have an appropriate/tasteful reason to include them (quoting Harlan Ellison critiquing Michael Fleischer, etc)." and assumed it was ok to show such images directly on swearing-related threads like this one instead of just posting warnings to them. My mistake. Thanks. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 23, 2019 22:45:40 GMT -5
The obnoxious over-use of swears in Jessica Jones really bothered my sense of verisimilitude. There are rules to how this particular fictional universe works, and it felt like breaking the profanity rules made the Marvel Universe less of a functional environment.
The cussin' in DC's Sandman didn't bother me, though. And that was years earlier. I dunno.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 24, 2019 10:43:44 GMT -5
The obnoxious over-use of swears in Jessica Jones really bothered my sense of verisimilitude. There are rules to how this particular fictional universe works, and it felt like breaking the profanity rules made the Marvel Universe less of a functional environment. The cussin' in DC's Sandman didn't bother me, though. And that was years earlier. I dunno. To me, it's the same asa Tarantino film; after the third M-F in two sentences (except Samuel L Jackson) you become numb to it. It has more impact when it punctuates something meaningful, like Arnold's utterance when he sees the unmasked Predator...."You're one ugly m-f!" The Max line was pretty bad about a juvenile idea of "mature," when it launched. By contrast, DC's Vertigo had pulled restrictions long before and produced great adult work, without excessive profanity or constant nudity. It also didn't usually have the 'heroine" getting roto-rootered in her debut. That Nick Fury thing was so vile I threw it away, and I loved Fury. I know it was meant as a satire; but, it was like a sledgehammer to the face. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 24, 2019 15:00:59 GMT -5
The obnoxious over-use of swears in Jessica Jones really bothered my sense of verisimilitude. There are rules to how this particular fictional universe works, and it felt like breaking the profanity rules made the Marvel Universe less of a functional environment. The cussin' in DC's Sandman didn't bother me, though. And that was years earlier. I dunno. To me, it's the same asa Tarantino film; after the third M-F in two sentences (except Samuel L Jackson) you become numb to it. It has more impact when it punctuates something meaningful, like Arnold's utterance when he sees the unmasked Predator...."You're one ugly m-f!" The Max line was pretty bad about a juvenile idea of "mature," when it launched. By contrast, DC's Vertigo had pulled restrictions long before and produced great adult work, without excessive profanity or constant nudity. It also didn't usually have the 'heroine" getting roto-rootered in her debut. That Nick Fury thing was so vile I threw it away, and I loved Fury. I know it was meant as a satire; but, it was like a sledgehammer to the face. I'm not sure I ever had quality whiplash with any comic series as much as I did with the first Garth Ennis Fury series. I absolutely hated the first few issues, but thought the last issue was jaw-droppingly great. Looks at Wikipedia: Huh. There were a lot of Max books. I missed most of them. Weird how DC is having massive success now with grittier, swearier versions of superheroes Batman but the Max books never caught on outside of Alias and the Punisher. |
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Post by badwolf on Jul 24, 2019 15:49:26 GMT -5
The obnoxious over-use of swears in Jessica Jones really bothered my sense of verisimilitude. There are rules to how this particular fictional universe works, and it felt like breaking the profanity rules made the Marvel Universe less of a functional environment. Sadly, it's like that in everything nowadays. Movies, books... I avoid books by newer authors because they use it as a substitute for actually knowing how to write. |
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