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Post by badwolf on Mar 7, 2019 12:48:22 GMT -5
Yeah all those Inhuman names were ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 14:46:16 GMT -5
INHUMANS TEAMBlack Bolt - Blackagar BoltagonMedusa - Medusalith Amaquelin BoltagonCrystal - Crystallia Amaquelin MaximoffGorgon - Gorgon PetragonKarnak - Karnak Mander-Azur Triton - Triton Mander-AzurMaximus Boltagon and/or Maximus the MadUnspoken Luna MaximoffLockjawLeft to RightKarnak, Triton, Black Bolt, Lockjaw, Medusa, and Gorgon pictured here. Crystal
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Post by String on Mar 9, 2019 13:18:19 GMT -5
Hm.....
Deadpool is immediate first response. He's overused and overexposed. I have not seen either of his films and have no desire to see either of them. Deadpool is also the reason why I was suspended from eBay for almost two years.
Carol Danvers, the lead example of forced diversity at Marvel these days.
Starman, Jack Knight. Actually, I kinda like Jack. To date, I've read the first omnibus and yes, it's interesting but over the years, the sheer volume of overhype that I've heard from fans of this title has become off-putting to me. It's good but it's far from being the best thing EVER since the invention of the printing press.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 13:56:12 GMT -5
String, about Deadpool, I like him, but comic companies can never have too much of a good thing.
I read the UK Marvel reprints. 76 pages in length, the comics have three US reprints per issue and, with the exception of the fortnightly Spider-Man title (Astonishing Spider-Man), they are monthly.
Right now, Deadpool occupies one third of a Wolverine comic, one third of Astonishing Spider-Man and has his own title (Deadpool Unleashed). There are some fans who think it's overkill. You see, Astonishing Spider-Man reprints the Spidey/Deadpool title, but the letters page is often filled with people who would rather it wasn't; some of us would rather they reprinted pure, unadulterated Spidey comics, e.g. the Ben Reilly stories, Miles Morales, etc.
I wish some characters would have a maximum of two titles per month. Maybe I enjoyed the Hulk's comic as a kid because he had ONE (and occasional guest appearances). Yet even a devout Punisher fan like myself got fed up with him having countless titles, guest appearances, etc.
Less is more!
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Post by hondobrode on Mar 9, 2019 14:59:50 GMT -5
Harley Quinn
I much preferred her as a villainess but as an anti-hero ?
Puhleese
She's the DC Deadpool IMO
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 15:15:23 GMT -5
Re: Harley and Deadpool
I've said it before, I'll say it many times in the future-wallets speak louder than internet posts. Comic fans get the comics their buying habits deserve. If Harley and Deadpool didn't increase sales and outsell most other properties on the market, you wouldn't get as many comics featuring them. But the silent majority has spoken with their dollars and they sell, in comics, in other media and in merchandise, and so they get the exposure their sales level warrants. Util they stop selling, you will keep seeing them. There's not a lot of revenue streams left in the comics industry, and no company is going to lessen a positive revenue stream because a minority of disgruntled fans complain on the internet. More content fans are spending money on them and probably never say a word on the net about it. I'm not a fan of either character either, but my not buying them doesn't speak as loud as the plethora of customers who do shell out a lot of money for them. So it is what it is, and there are other windmills to tilt at.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 15:36:39 GMT -5
I know that mrp is right. I mean, it could apply to any hero. If Marvel thought they could put out 7 Dr. Strange books a month, and fans would buy them, it would happen.
But for those of us tilting at windmills, well I know mrp has made many valid points, but I feel I sort of have a dog in this fight. I didn't want to see Deadpool in the Avengers, but I was "subjected" to it due to his popularity. Of course, this silly person here cannot demand Marvel cater to ONE person, but I read similar complaints. And I am irked that he is appearing in so many UK reprint titles I buy.
So while the ones buying the books are important, and no company is going to lessen a revenue stream, we all have to endure over-exposure of characters. Back in the 90s, I liked Punisher (still do!), but I did try and empathise with those who were fed up of seeing him show up everywhere and anywhere.
Anyhow, I've posted some thoughts on this in another topic...
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Post by Confessor on Mar 9, 2019 19:37:38 GMT -5
Re: Harley and Deadpool I've said it before, I'll say it many times in the future-wallets speak louder than internet posts. Comic fans get the comics their buying habits deserve. If Harley and Deadpool didn't increase sales and outsell most other properties on the market, you wouldn't get as many comics featuring them. But the silent majority has spoken with their dollars and they sell, in comics, in other media and in merchandise, and so they get the exposure their sales level warrants. Util they stop selling, you will keep seeing them. There's not a lot of revenue streams left in the comics industry, and no company is going to lessen a positive revenue stream because a minority of disgruntled fans complain on the internet. More content fans are spending money on them and probably never say a word on the net about it. I'm not a fan of either character either, but my not buying them doesn't speak as loud as the plethora of customers who do shell out a lot of money for them. So it is what it is, and there are other windmills to tilt at. -M Well, yeah...but we're not in a sales meeting here! Nobody is concerned with Marvel's profit margin. We're just shooting the breeze on a little comic forum about which characters we happen to particularly dislike. What is or isn't selling is largely irrelevant to this discussion.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 9, 2019 19:51:46 GMT -5
Hm..... Deadpool is immediate first response. He's overused and overexposed. I have not seen either of his films and have no desire to see either of them. Deadpool is also the reason why I was suspended from eBay for almost two years. Carol Danvers, the lead example of forced diversity at Marvel these days. Starman, Jack Knight. Actually, I kinda like Jack. To date, I've read the first omnibus and yes, it's interesting but over the years, the sheer volume of overhype that I've heard from fans of this title has become off-putting to me. It's good but it's far from being the best thing EVER since the invention of the printing press. Agreed on Deadpool. He seems like a character created by someone who never loved superhero comics, but would rather make fun of them. It's not that I don't think comics should have a sense of humor about themselves, but he feels like he is not doing it affectionately but rather out of disdain and looking down. Interested in the eBay story though...
I liked Carol when she was Ms. Marvel, Binary & Warbird (best name). No interest in her current incarnation, but then I don't really have much interest in current Marvel at all.
Starman is nice because it is a complete story from start to finish. Rather like Sandman (which I think was running about the same time) the author had a vision for the whole series, and elements from early on and along the way all come to a head at the conclusion. I understand about the hype, but I'd recommend giving the second volume a shot.
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Post by hondobrode on Mar 10, 2019 15:10:29 GMT -5
I hardly have any comics with either character since I pretty much hate them both.
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Post by String on Mar 10, 2019 15:50:38 GMT -5
I have no problem with Deadpool the character per se. His comedic styling may not be my exact cup of tea which is why I prefer to read of him (whenever I do) when he is part of a team versus his solo stuff (the most recent title I read with him that I liked was Remender's X-Force run)
However, as mrp explained, it's the over-saturation that has me aggrieved. If you scroll through the characters/titles lists on Comixology, with all his one-shots and minis over the years, Deadpool has about as many pages as Batman does (except I find Batman far more interesting).
He's become the unofficial 'Official' mascot for Marvel now (we've moved from the decades-long symbol of Spidey to Iron Man to Deadpool). Merchandise, clothing, cosplay, it's gotten unreal. Deadpool is even one of the guide characters in (I think) the Lego Avengers video game which I found rather distracting and annoying. As for the movies, I can no longer watch any Ryan Reynolds film because he's become so ingrained and associated with the character, that's all I 'hear' when I see him in any other film.
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Post by String on Mar 10, 2019 16:18:29 GMT -5
Hm..... Deadpool is immediate first response. He's overused and overexposed. I have not seen either of his films and have no desire to see either of them. Deadpool is also the reason why I was suspended from eBay for almost two years. Carol Danvers, the lead example of forced diversity at Marvel these days. Starman, Jack Knight. Actually, I kinda like Jack. To date, I've read the first omnibus and yes, it's interesting but over the years, the sheer volume of overhype that I've heard from fans of this title has become off-putting to me. It's good but it's far from being the best thing EVER since the invention of the printing press. Agreed on Deadpool. He seems like a character created by someone who never loved superhero comics, but would rather make fun of them. It's not that I don't think comics should have a sense of humor about themselves, but he feels like he is not doing it affectionately but rather out of disdain and looking down. Interested in the eBay story though...
I liked Carol when she was Ms. Marvel, Binary & Warbird (best name). No interest in her current incarnation, but then I don't really have much interest in current Marvel at all.
Starman is nice because it is a complete story from start to finish. Rather like Sandman (which I think was running about the same time) the author had a vision for the whole series, and elements from early on and along the way all come to a head at the conclusion. I understand about the hype, but I'd recommend giving the second volume a shot.
Some years ago, in my efforts to help pay bills and stuff, I was selling my copies of New Mutants #98-100 on eBay. I am not a professional grader by any means but I could say with confidence that my issues were good, decent, readable copies (no tears, rips, nothing missing). The lot sold, I got paid, I mailed them off, I paid some bills. About a week afterwards, I received a message from the buyer requesting to return the lot. In his message, it was becoming quickly apparent that this person was looking to acquire a Mint or Near Mint copy of NM #98 (and ONLY #98, could've cared less about the other two issues). Apparently, after very close scrutiny, this person found some minute flaws that would disallow such a grade for my issue. Two problems though: 1) I never once claimed anywhere in my auction listing that any of those issues were M or NM, at best they were perhaps Fine which is what I had suggested in my listing (like I said, a decent reading copy) 2) Bills were paid and I had no way to repay the buyer at that precise moment even if I wanted to reimburse him. This person misread or misinterpreted my listing, that's on them, not me. Well, the buyer opened up a dispute claim with eBay, we each gave our two cents in emails on the matter, eBay reimbursed the buyer, the buyer sent the comics back and now I owed eBay restitution on the matter. My account was suspended until I made payment which I did not pay back for over two years. I know the old adage The Customer is Always Right but I felt what good is having their rating and star system if it isn't going to count or give weight to your side? For I had maintained a perfect 100% rating for the previous three years and had been selling for two of those years with glowing feedback and nary a negative comment till this buyer. Whomever at eBay discounted my reasoning for how I sold MY items and instead backed the buyer who misread my listing in their search for a perfect Mint copy of the first appearance of Deadpool. When I received my issues back in the mail, I scoured my copy of #98 for the flaws this buyer said they found...and the buyer was right, very minute flaws. In checking over various grading guidelines (including those suggested by eBay and CGC) even with those minute flaws, the issue would be graded around F-VF...which is how I had them listed on my auction bid. So yeah, Deadpool can take a long hike.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Mar 13, 2019 12:34:39 GMT -5
I'm with ya on Stingray but going by the picture posted earlier, that Razorback would need a pretty drastic make-over before I'd want to see him in a comic.
It seems like whenever I hear about something stupid that happened at Marvel after I stopped following them in the 80s, there's a good chance it can be traced back to Mark Gruenwald. Or maybe it's just the Inhumans, because the other example I can think of right now is deciding that Black Bolt was a shortened form of his real name "Blackagar Boltagon" (!). This guy should never have been allowed near a typewriter again, as far as I'm concerned.
I never minded Razorback's costume, as he was meant to be a ludicrous secondary character. He's fine to me so long as he stays that way and doesn't join the Avengers or something.
Yeah, I acknowledge Gruenwald was a nice guy and he did write some good comics, but almost every one of the ideas which he subjected the mainstream MU to, struck me as working to the line's detriment.
I loathed with a passion making the inhabitants of Titan into Eternals rather than the result of a mating between an alien race and a renegade Olympic god. Thanos has never been as interesting to me since then.
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Post by berkley on Mar 13, 2019 14:49:04 GMT -5
It seems like whenever I hear about something stupid that happened at Marvel after I stopped following them in the 80s, there's a good chance it can be traced back to Mark Gruenwald. Or maybe it's just the Inhumans, because the other example I can think of right now is deciding that Black Bolt was a shortened form of his real name "Blackagar Boltagon" (!). This guy should never have been allowed near a typewriter again, as far as I'm concerned.
I never minded Razorback's costume, as he was meant to be a ludicrous secondary character. He's fine to me so long as he stays that way and doesn't join the Avengers or something.
Yeah, I acknowledge Gruenwald was a nice guy and he did write some good comics, but almost every one of the ideas which he subjected the mainstream MU to, struck me as working to the line's detriment.
I loathed with a passion making the inhabitants of Titan into Eternals rather than the result of a mating between an alien race and a renegade Olympic god. Thanos has never been as interesting to me since then.
Yes, bad idea, both from the Titanians and from the Eternals perspective. So that was one of Gruenwald's too? This blind mania for tying everything together whether it makes sense or not really should have been kept on a much tighter rein.
(edit:) And, I meant to add, this idea of making Starlin's Titanians an offshoot of Kirby's Eternals didn't even work on its own terms - as we can see, for example, in the fact that later writers haven't found anything in it they can use. In all the kazillion Thanos stories Marvel has produced since the 80s, how many of them have introduced any of the original Eternals or even made reference to their history? I haven't read them all, but not many, that I'm aware of. Complete waste of time.
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Post by profh0011 on Mar 13, 2019 20:48:51 GMT -5
"Hal Jordan Let's give the ring to the most uptight un-imaginative, dull as dishwater character. Yeah, he's Paul Newman but man he is vapid as hell. Hal's a clear-cut Maverick archetype."
I've heard that Gil Kane modeled Hal Jordan on Paul Newman. But I've never NOTICED it in the comics. Even when I got my hands on the Silver Age GL Archives books, back when he was new and fresh, I still had trouble seeing it. Not only have MOST Green Lantern artists apparently been unaware of this-- so they're not even able to be "on model"-- but I NEVER once got a sense of "Paul Newman"'s personality or character in the character of Hal Jordan. In most films I've seen Newman in, he's often hard-nosed, cynical, but unrestrainedly outspoken. I can't believe any character in a movie played by Paul Newman would ever have put up with the nonsense Carol Ferris kept dumping on him decade after decade. Incidentally, one of my favorite Newman films is " SLAP SHOT". I don't like sports-- and have zero interest in hockey. But I LOVE that movie. As the guy in charge of a team who does whatever it takes to win, one might almost picture a more Paul Newman-ish Hal leading a Green Lantern Corps team.
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