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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 11:40:19 GMT -5
For the record ... I'm not a fan of Deadpool and I can say this, he's both annoying and in the "I can't stand category" both of them on equal ground. I just don't hate the Character ... but I do hate the name of Deadpool. There's I said it, and don't bother asking why!
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Post by mikelmidnight on Mar 20, 2019 11:49:15 GMT -5
I admit to liking ONE use of the Eternals in the MU: others disagree but I loved the fusion of Mekkari/Hurricane/superhero Mercury. I considered the latter two continuity-problematic anyway, and as they were all created by Kirby I thought it completely fitting.
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Post by berkley on Mar 20, 2019 21:28:05 GMT -5
I admit to liking ONE use of the Eternals in the MU: others disagree but I loved the fusion of Mekkari/Hurricane/superhero Mercury. I considered the latter two continuity-problematic anyway, and as they were all created by Kirby I thought it completely fitting.
Missed that one but one more thing I find disappointing in general is that even if we accept that the Eternals are in the MU for better or for worse, they don't make much of an effort to at least get the characters right - Thena being the worst example: everyone''s always saying they want more strong, independent female characters but having been given this one for free they do everything they can to make her more conventional and less independent, e.g. saddling her with romantic partners and sub-plots that go right against the grain of the character concept.
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 20, 2019 22:23:59 GMT -5
I actually agree with berkley that the Eternals, Deviants, and Celestials should never have been integrated into the Marvel Universe BUT since editorial insisted on it, I think they made some clever uses of them, like the Titanian/Uranian connection or explaining that Skrulls are shapeshifters because the Celestials visited Skrullos in prehistory and only the Deviant race survived. I can't speak to their use after '86 or thereabouts, but before that I thought it was handled well, especialy in Thor #300.
Cei-U! I summon my two pfennigs' worth!
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Post by berkley on Mar 20, 2019 23:42:00 GMT -5
Yeah, the Thor stuff was well done. Probably my favourite Thor story since the Kirby years, although a few of the Buscema and Neal Adams issues are up there. But certainly the best sustained, multi-issue epic.
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Post by Duragizer on Jul 30, 2019 15:59:41 GMT -5
A Marty Stu by any other name would be just as boring and poorly drawn.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 30, 2019 20:20:05 GMT -5
I love Stardust. It was high camp before there was such a thing. Fletcher Hanks was twenty years ahead of his time.
Cei-U! I summon the demented genius
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 26, 2020 9:50:29 GMT -5
Rick Jones is always my go-to answer for most annoying comic book character, but I'm reading through the New Teen Titans and I'm up to #14 of the Baxter series, and I have to say that I think that Azrael (technically not named as such yet) has topped Mr. Jones as my most despised character, or at least he's come very close to it. I mean this guy just met Lilith 5 minutes ago and from then on all he does is cry and whine about how much he loves her, and cry and whine because he's been separated from her. Get a life, dude! This dude is crying and pining over Lilith in practically every panel he appears in. Then, I thought I was rid of him after Lilith stayed in Olympus after #10 of the Baxter series, but sadly he appears again a few issues later, and it looks like the moron is about to be duped by Brother blood's people into thinking he's the actual angel Azrael. I tried to find some panels to post where he wasn't crying, or about to cry, but I couldn't find any. Here's Azrael happy: Here's Azrael sad: Here's Azrael indifferent: Azrael wooing: Azrael hopeful:
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 26, 2020 10:19:43 GMT -5
I agree. Azrael epitomized Marv Wolfman's prediliction for over-the-top, overwrought emotional schmaltz. It's arguably his biggest failing as a writer.
Cei-U! I summon the O.G. weeping angel!
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Post by earl on Apr 26, 2020 18:04:20 GMT -5
On the Punisher, I really think a huge part of his popularity was the design of the costume. The black and skull has become a pretty darn iconic image, spread wildly across the world by US military (no politics, just fact).
While the origin and style was knicked from Mack Bolan (I liked the novels too), I kinda think Frank Castle has evolved especially now pass it because the character went a different way. Frank is way more damaged and while that was implied in the early days, it has become a big part of the character. All the heros KNOW what the Punisher does, but in the end, they let him just roam like a shark.
The Punisher is definitely a character that shows the level of cynicism that Marvel super hero stories would develop as it went into the 80s and 90s to now. Garth Ennis' take on the character is one of the classic Marvel runs in the past 20-25 years.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 26, 2020 19:19:25 GMT -5
On the Punisher, I really think a huge part of his popularity was the design of the costume. The black and skull has become a pretty darn iconic image, spread wildly across the world by US military (no politics, just fact). While the origin and style was knicked from Mack Bolan (I liked the novels too), I kinda think Frank Castle has evolved especially now pass it because the character went a different way. Frank is way more damaged and while that was implied in the early days, it has become a big part of the character. All the heros KNOW what the Punisher does, but in the end, they let him just roam like a shark. The Punisher is definitely a character that shows the level of cynicism that Marvel super hero stories would develop as it went into the 80s and 90s to now. Garth Ennis' take on the character is one of the classic Marvel runs in the past 20-25 years. Spread a hell of a lot more by the SS. Just sayin'......
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Post by badwolf on Apr 26, 2020 20:27:26 GMT -5
I agree. Azrael epitomized Marv Wolfman's prediliction for over-the-top, overwrought emotional schmaltz. It's arguably his biggest failing as a writer. Cei-U! I summon the O.G. weeping angel! Judging by Cyborg's comments, it seems he was fully aware of it, though.
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Post by chadwilliam on Apr 26, 2020 22:45:52 GMT -5
On the Punisher, I really think a huge part of his popularity was the design of the costume. The black and skull has become a pretty darn iconic image, spread wildly across the world by US military (no politics, just fact). While the origin and style was knicked from Mack Bolan (I liked the novels too), I kinda think Frank Castle has evolved especially now pass it because the character went a different way. Frank is way more damaged and while that was implied in the early days, it has become a big part of the character. All the heros KNOW what the Punisher does, but in the end, they let him just roam like a shark. The Punisher is definitely a character that shows the level of cynicism that Marvel super hero stories would develop as it went into the 80s and 90s to now. Garth Ennis' take on the character is one of the classic Marvel runs in the past 20-25 years. The fact that the 1980's were a period when realism and maturity were touted as virtues of modern comics with "realism" being defined as anyone who can't deflect bullets off their chests and "maturity" meaning "bloody and violent", then a character such as The Punisher was in his element especially since he responded to the changes in the medium as they transpired. I think it also helps that writers seem to accept that The Punisher is a one-dimensional character, whereas they're not as willing to concede that fact when it comes to, say, someone like Batman or Captain America or whoever. I don't mean that insultingly either. A character such as Batman was never meant to be psycho-analyzed for his thoughts on politics, philosophy, literature, the arts, etc. but marveled at for his deductive brilliance, ingenuity in escaping all sorts of death traps, cool gadgets, etc. I don't think superheroes have much to be gained from having all sorts of neuroses and defects ascribed to them which nevertheless seemed to be the purpose of a lot of high profile stories in the 80's/90's and The Punisher sidestepped being bogged down in this sort of thing by having writers say "Look - his family were killed, now he kills - that's it all, that's all there is to this character" which strangely enough, is actually about as realistic as thought processes would go for a person deciding to do this for a living. Not saying that The Punisher is realistic, but it's easy to see how such an illusion could be created.
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 27, 2020 10:51:26 GMT -5
Rick Jones is always my go-to answer for most annoying comic book character, but I'm reading through the New Teen Titans and I'm up to #14 of the Baxter series, and I have to say that I think that Azrael (technically not named as such yet) has topped Mr. Jones as my most despised character Eh, I give him a break, since he was more or less designed to fit into that narrow "lost"/romantic character category. I think he would have been genuinely annoying if he was a regular (founding member) who suddenly became a sappy bag of emotionalism, but again, Azrael's behavior was baked into his character.
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 27, 2020 12:25:18 GMT -5
Rick Jones is always my go-to answer for most annoying comic book character, but I'm reading through the New Teen Titans and I'm up to #14 of the Baxter series, and I have to say that I think that Azrael (technically not named as such yet) has topped Mr. Jones as my most despised character Eh, I give him a break, since he was more or less designed to fit into that narrow "lost"/romantic character category. I think he would have been genuinely annoying if he was a regular (founding member) who suddenly became a sappy bag of emotionalism, but again, Azrael's behavior was baked into his character. That doesn't make him any less annoying.
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