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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 13:04:09 GMT -5
From time to time (not on this forum), some will argue about how a character has changed, how a character isn't the same as he/she was when he/she started, etc. And while those arguments are happening, people can forget that we all come to characters at different stages of their evolution. This is the first time I came across Dan Dare:  That was the late 80s. In an era before Google and the like, I had no idea there'd been a Dan Dare in the 50s (and a descendant, also called Dan Dare, in the early 80s). As far as I was concerned, the Dredd-like Dan Dare shown on the cover above was "my" Dan Dare. Years later, I managed to get some reprints of the 1950s Dan Dare strips. Did I enjoy them? I did, but not to the extent I'd enjoyed "my" Dare. However, imagine the reverse. Imagine someone born in, say, 1940 - and who'd grown up with 1950s Dare. He/she might have seen "my" Dare as sacrilegious. My point, if I have one, is that everything can be relative. I grew up at a time when "my" Dare was a character I was very protective of. I had little-to-no affinity with 50s Dan Dare. It doesn't mean I am right - it's all subjective - or that one version is better than the other. It is simply about what you grew up with. The person alive in the 50s, who grew up with 50s Dan Dare, has a viewpoint on preferences that is as valid as mine (or anyone's). So it can be frustrating when, occasionally, people get into debates about which is the better version - or, as one guy said to me once, "Your Dare isn't real." Well, it's as real as the writers and artists who worked on it! A similar debate pertains to Flash and Green Lantern. I love Barry Allen's Flash. He's "my" Flash. I loved the Super Powers toy, my most treasured possession as a kid. As a kid, I'm not even sure I'd heard of Jay Garrick. And Wally West was someone I was aware of, but had no affinity to. It can be about the era you grow up in. A person who grew up with Jay Garrick might prefer him to Barry Allen; and a person younger than me, who started reading Wally West's exploits in the 90s, might have little-to-no affinity with Barry Allen. Like I said, it's all relative. Thoughts? |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 13, 2019 16:04:47 GMT -5
I love Robin.
I love Dick Grayson, the orphaned boy seeking a father figure
I love Dick Grayson, the young adult seeking his own identity apart from the shadow of his mentor
I love Jason Todd, the pre-crisis orphaned boy seeking a father figure
I love the post-Crisis Jason Todd who was a mess of feelings even he couldn't make sense of.
I also generally dislike Carrie Kelley, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, and Damian Wayne
But I feel almost equally passionate about the first four.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 16:15:48 GMT -5
^^^ ... I'm very much the same way as you shaxper ... of my feelings toward Robin! |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 13, 2019 16:16:39 GMT -5
I love Robin. I love Dick Grayson, the orphaned boy seeking a father figure I love Dick Grayson, the young adult seeking his own identity apart from the shadow of his mentor I love Jason Todd, the pre-crisis orphaned boy seeking a father figure I love the post-Crisis Jason Todd who was a mess of feelings even he couldn't make sense of. I also generally dislike Carrie Kelley, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, and Damian Wayne But I feel almost equally passionate about the first four. I had no idea you loved ____ . No, I just can't type it... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 16:17:37 GMT -5
It depends on the character.
For example I grew up with Barry Allen as the Flash. But I also loved Jay Garrick thru reprints or the JLA/JSA team ups. I also liked Wally as the Flash post crisis.
Hal was Green Lantern in my youth but I actually liked Alan Scott more. I also liked John Stewart. At first I did not like Kyle but with time I enjoyed his stories. Never ever liked Guy.
I guess when it strays too far from the core character and the basics of the character it doesn't feel right to me.
Another example. Bruce has to be Batman. Dick I can accept but it isn't the same. Dick is too well adjusted that it changes the character too much.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 13, 2019 16:19:47 GMT -5
I had no idea you loved ____ . No, I just can't type it... They say it's healthy to love your body... |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 13, 2019 16:20:58 GMT -5
Hal was Green Lantern in my youth but I actually liked Alan Scott more. I also liked John Stewart. At first I did not like Kyle but with time I enjoyed his stories. So true. Kyle was a shameless stunt, but damn Ron Marz for making it work anyway. Truly loved the character. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 13, 2019 16:21:30 GMT -5
Hawkeye. My version was the one who joined the Avengers in #16 and he kind of changed for the worse when He began to lead the WCA. he works better as a member of the team than as a leader.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 13, 2019 16:22:44 GMT -5
Granted, I never read the comics, but how the hell did Cyclops become a villain? That just oozes ridiculous to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 16:29:43 GMT -5
As, I grew older, and older ... my fondness of the Golden Age of Comics will always be strong. "My Character" ... is always be Alan Scott Green Lantern and the reason for that it's his most outrageous costume and I was so fascinated by it ever since I saw that picture back in 1968, that's 51 years ago and it's considered one of my favorite costume and a dynamic member of the Justice Society of America, All-Star Squadron, and one of the most prominent character of it's day and easily recognizable and so forth. When, I first laid my "eyes" on it ... I was fixed and tried to read as many of these comics as much as possible ...  |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 13, 2019 16:33:20 GMT -5
It's not ALWAYS the character you find first.
I have no nostalgia in my soul.
I count myself as an "original" guy - My favorite version of any given character will generally be the first version. The only true Wonder Woman is by Marston. The "real" Spider-Man was drawn by Ditko. Anyone other than Jack Cole drawing Plastic Man is committing a crime against humanity and should be imprisoned.
I don't always feel like this - OBVIOUSLY the X-men didn't peak under Lee & Kirby, and my favorite Avengers runs were from the '00s (Ultimates and Marvel Adventures) - but as a general rule of thumb "my" version is the first.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 16:34:23 GMT -5
For me, Barry Allen will always be the Flash, Hal Jordan is Green Lantern (although I enjoyed the Kyle R version just as well), the pre-Crisis Wonder Woman is the real Wonder Woman, Dick Grayson is Robin, and Hawkgirl is Shiera Hall (and very much in love with her husband without all of this having to find each other nonsense).
This reminds me of a speaker we had to go see at work. She spoke about Superman and who Superman was to you. Depending on the era you grew up in, someone is your definitive Superman. She showed pictures of Kirk Alyn, George Reeves, Christopher Reeve, Dean Cain, Brandon Routh, and Henry Cavill. By show of hands she asked who was Superman to the audience. The biggest percent of the audience identified with Christopher Reeve, then George Reeves, and then a few for the rest.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 13, 2019 16:47:27 GMT -5
For the Record:
Superman - Golden Age/Seigel and Shuster
Lois Lane - Golden Age/Seigel and Shuster (Honorable Mentions: Schaffenberg
Jimmy Olsen - Silver Age/Weisinger
Lana Lang - Bronze Age/Schwartz, Bates, Maggin
Krypto - Silver Age/Weisinger
Supergirl - Silver Age/Mooney
Luthor - Copper(?) age - Wolfman & Byrne
Braniac - Copper(?) age - Perez
Toyman/Prankster - Late Golden Age/Wayne Boring
Superboy - '90 Kessel and Grummet
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Post by rberman on Feb 13, 2019 16:48:41 GMT -5
Granted, I never read the comics, but how the hell did Cyclops become a villain? That just oozes ridiculous to me. Well, there was the time he abandoned his wife and child to run around secretly with his old girlfriend... |
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Post by brutalis on Feb 13, 2019 17:27:03 GMT -5
I love Robin. I love Dick Grayson, the orphaned boy seeking a father figure I love Dick Grayson, the young adult seeking his own identity apart from the shadow of his mentor I love Jason Todd, the pre-crisis orphaned boy seeking a father figure I love the post-Crisis Jason Todd who was a mess of feelings even he couldn't make sense of. I also generally dislike Carrie Kelley, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, and Damian Wayne But I feel almost equally passionate about the first four. It's gotta be the shorts and pixie boots and clean shaven legs... |
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