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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 21:08:41 GMT -5
I did rewatch Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy recently. The films, particularly the first one, were far better than when I first watched them (how often can one say that?). Although Batman Begins felt slow when I saw it in 2005, its ponderous nature was vital. During the rewatch, it flowed so much better, given the benefit of hindsight and context.
It's also very realistic.
In my humble opinion, there are two kinds of live-action superheroes: those that *could* exist in our world and those that couldn't.
There's a credibility and verisimilitude to the live-action The Incredible Hulk series. Ditto Richard Donner's Superman. Or Nolan's Batman trilogy.
On the other side of the coin, there are larger-than-life, fantastical movies/shows. Think The Flash or Wonder Woman.
I have a preference for neither. There's room for both kinds. That said, I could imagine bumping into Bill Bixby's Banner or Bale's Batman. They are a "world outside your window" kind of adventure whilst those DCEU and MCU adventures are, for the most part, fantastical. Like I stated, that's fine.
So, could Bale's Batman have been part of the DCEU? If Bale had continued in the role, could we have imagined him mixing it up with Henry Cavill's Superman or taking on Parademons?
I'm really not sure. I don't think so, to be honest.
Having rewatched the films, they are so "real world", and inhabit a reality that I could imagine watching on Channel 4 News bulletins, that I just cannot quite reach that stage where I could have imagined Bale's Batman having a discussion with an alien from Krypton or battling Doomsday.
Maybe I'm wrong, though.
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Post by rberman on Dec 7, 2018 22:00:25 GMT -5
Keep in mind that Bale's Batman lived in a Gotham borrowed from Fritz Lang's Metropolis (not Superman's Metropolis) with a whole other city beneath the streets, a literal underworld.
Singer's first X-Men movie worked hard to ground the story in our world, rooting the narratiev in the muddy street outside a Nazi concentration camp for instance. No such aspiration by the time X-Men: Days of Future Past rolled around.
The most grounded superhero movie is Shyamalan's Unbreakable.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 7, 2018 22:37:52 GMT -5
I didn't find anything particularly "realistic" abut Nolan's Batman movies. They were every bit as stylized and unreal as Burton's, just in a different way.
Cei-U!
Not a fan of either set of Bat-films!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 4:48:05 GMT -5
Personally, I think that Bale would survived and worked in the DCEU if they managed to tweaked the image of Gotham City at bit more grounded. I felt that Batman vs Superman would been better if they had Bale instead of that gad-awful Affleck. It's just me that I don't know how he would worked with Gal Gadot in that movie. Bale is my 2nd favorite Batman in the modern era of Batman and with Michael Keaton being Number One ... and with Kilmer and Clooney are distant 3rd and 4th on my list of Batmen.
Affleck is my fifth place and the worst Batman ever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 5:48:42 GMT -5
I didn't find anything particularly "realistic" abut Nolan's Batman movies. They were every bit as stylized and unreal as Burton's, just in a different way. Cei-U! Not a fan of either set of Bat-films! For me, and I've highlighted this in discussions I've had off-line, Burton's Gotham was as much a "character" as Batman, Joker, etc. There was a very fantastical element to it. A fairytale quality, almost. Burton's Gotham didn't look like "the world outside my window". Wherever the Bale movies were filmed, it just looked very much like any city I've visited. There was nothing fantastical about it. There was no fairytale quality to it. Solely looking at the streets and the like, I could have been watching a documentary; I can't say that about Burton's Gotham. |
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Post by rberman on Dec 8, 2018 6:28:17 GMT -5
I didn't find anything particularly "realistic" abut Nolan's Batman movies. They were every bit as stylized and unreal as Burton's, just in a different way. Cei-U! Not a fan of either set of Bat-films! For me, and I've highlighted this in discussions I've had off-line, Burton's Gotham was as much a "character" as Batman, Joker, etc. There was a very fantastical element to it. A fairytale quality, almost. Burton's Gotham didn't look like "the world outside my window". Wherever the Bale movies were filmed, it just looked very much like any city I've visited. There was nothing fantastical about it. There was no fairytale quality to it. Solely looking at the streets and the like, I could have been watching a documentary; I can't say that about Burton's Gotham. Burton put the "Goth" in Gotham. But then he puts the goth in everything. The next Batman movie should be made by Wes Anderson, just for variety. |
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Post by Mormel on Dec 12, 2018 3:58:05 GMT -5
Keep in mind that Bale's Batman lived in a Gotham borrowed from Fritz Lang's Metropolis (not Superman's Metropolis) with a whole other city beneath the streets, a literal underworld. Singer's first X-Men movie worked hard to ground the story in our world, rooting the narratiev in the muddy street outside a Nazi concentration camp for instance. No such aspiration by the time X-Men: Days of Future Past rolled around. Much the same can be said for the first Iron Man movie. Though it had its own distinct tone, it clearly borrowed a couple pages from Nolan's Batman films in terms of trying to ground it in reality. All the way down to trying to visually explain how a suit of hi-tech body armour would (or wouldn't) work. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 12, 2018 4:57:24 GMT -5
I didn't find anything particularly "realistic" abut Nolan's Batman movies. They were every bit as stylized and unreal as Burton's, just in a different way. Cei-U! Not a fan of either set of Bat-films! It was even worse for me - Batman Begins in particular kept trying to seem realistic which just highlighted how ludicrous the whole superhero concept is at the core. It still ignored sociology, physics, and city planning. This isn't stuff that would normally bother me in a superhero flick, but the attempts at grounding the completely ridiculous made the illogical stuff just stand out more. I loved the Dark Knight, though. And I started loving it the second the Joker develops magic bomb creation powers out of nowhere. I audibly sighed "Oh thank God: when they finally, blessedly, gave up on faking realism for philosophy and metaphor. Superheroes are inherently goofy and you have to lean into that to make the genre work at all. |
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