zilch
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Post by zilch on Aug 20, 2019 18:59:59 GMT -5
Maybe...
Maneely would have worked from Kirby layouts for a while like so many other artists did back then?
Or possibly just become an inker (see also Sinnott, early Ayers, Roussos, ect)?
Or instead of a Thor, we would have gotten a new Black Knight with a similar origin (gimpy surgeon finds the Ebony Blade and becomes The Black Knight??)
Or...?
-z
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Post by Bronze age andy on Aug 20, 2019 23:13:53 GMT -5
I could easily see Kirby and Maneely making things quite easy for Stan by splitting 10 titles between the two and never have to worry about missing deadlines.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 20, 2019 23:40:19 GMT -5
Stan himself said that Maneely would've been a big star in his bullpen during the Marvel Age.
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Post by rberman on Aug 21, 2019 8:04:09 GMT -5
That's wacky. Has Wolverine: Jungle Adventure ever been reprinted in a collection?
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Post by The Cheat on Aug 21, 2019 14:19:50 GMT -5
That's wacky. Has Wolverine: Jungle Adventure ever been reprinted in a collection? I read it recently so it must have. Probably one of the Wolverine Epics.
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 22, 2019 14:47:58 GMT -5
Stumbled on this quotation regarding the inconsistencies among the DC comics, TV shows and movies. Be aware I have no dog in this fight, knowing nothing of Geoff Johns beyond having heard his name, never having seen an episode of a DC TV show, and having seen just a couple of the movies once each on television. And though I never ever found the concept of multiple universes far less difficult to comprehend than geometric proofs, I am neither assigning blame nor claiming vindication. Well, maybe a little vindication. "Talking in 2014, Geoff Johns, when discussing the difference between the DC Extended Universe and the Marvel Cinematic Universe, said 'We look at it as the multiverse. We have our TV universe and our film universe, but they all co-exist. For us, creatively, it's about allowing everyone to make the best possible product, to tell the best story, to do the best world. Everyone has a vision and you really want to let the visions shine through ... It's just a different approach.' " So, the Crisis that was so crucial to saving the future of DC by reducing several multiverses to one, thus rendering the DC Universe more streamlined, less difficult to explain, and easier for readers to grasp has led to the rise of the multiverse as a necessity to telling good stories. Irony continues to die an ironic death.
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Post by rberman on Aug 22, 2019 15:10:47 GMT -5
"Talking in 2014, Geoff Johns, when discussing the difference between the DC Extended Universe and the Marvel Cinematic Universe, said 'We look at it as the multiverse. We have our TV universe and our film universe, but they all co-exist. For us, creatively, it's about allowing everyone to make the best possible product, to tell the best story, to do the best world. Everyone has a vision and you really want to let the visions shine through ... It's just a different approach.' " Boy, they really missed the "best world" boat with the films! Though I hear the TV shows aren't bad.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 22, 2019 15:13:16 GMT -5
"Talking in 2014, Geoff Johns, when discussing the difference between the DC Extended Universe and the Marvel Cinematic Universe, said 'We look at it as the multiverse. We have our TV universe and our film universe, but they all co-exist. For us, creatively, it's about allowing everyone to make the best possible product, to tell the best story, to do the best world. Everyone has a vision and you really want to let the visions shine through ... It's just a different approach.' " Boy, they really missed the "best world" boat with the films! Though I hear the TV shows aren't bad. The only one I've watched any significant amount of is Arrow. And that's because my youngest son and I like to sit and riff on it MST3K style. My son describes it as "Generically attractive interchangeable 30-somethings doing things for reasons."
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 22, 2019 16:22:08 GMT -5
The multiverse thing is a rationalization to the way these things were allowed to be optioned. Warner let the various DC properties be optioned pitched, by other production companies, who would finance and film them, while WB kept distribution rights. So, there was no desire or way to coordinate these productions. They weren't set up as a franchise to bring in other DC properties and they weren't originated by Warner. The closest was in wWarner Animation. Batman TAS was launched to capitalize on the success of the Burton films, with people who were fas of the comic and wanted to do something less saturday morning. they hit the jackpot and slowly added other DC elements, like Batgirl and Zatanna. That was followed by Superman TAS, which went further, introducing Aquaman, the Flash, Green Lantern and Dr Fate, as well as the 4th World characters. That led to Justice League, which added Hawkgirl, martian manhunter and Wonder Woman, plus various villains and other heros. We got to see the Green Lantern corps, the Manhunters, Kanjar Ro, The Injustice Gang, a pseudo-Earth 2 and the JSA, Deadman, Metamorpho, Skataris, Sgt Rock, Blackhawk, El Diablo, Jonah Hex, Bat Lash, and more.
With Arrow, I would agree about the interchangeable 30-somethings and pretty people, with a lot of dark lighting, neon, and killing people. The flashback stories wee far more compelling than the regular plots, for me. I have only watched into season 3 and lost interest there. Flash and Supergirl embrace more of the fantastical elements; but, also a lot of WB soap opera that bores the heck out of me.
Johns is a fan writer who made good, mostly by rehashing old plots and characterizations. he can be a good writer; but, he is very derivative of what was popular in the 80s. As an exec, he has no forward vision. As for these productions, he is more figurehead, as the tv producers run their shows and the film producers run theirs and Johns job is more to facilitate getting them source material for the scripts. he has written scripts; but, most have been rewritten by others. He is no Kevin Feige.
Warner has never been very coordinated in anything, always treating their divisions as separate entities. When they were distributing and financially backing babylon 5, they did no cross promotion or merchandising. JMS and the other producers had to secure their own deals. JMS got the deal with DC. Same with the films. They never did things like promote the comics, at the theaters. Comics were an afterthought and still are (less, really).
Marvel did the same thing, optioning all kinds of stuff under New World, then to Fox, under the McAndrews regime before taking matters in their own hands with the MCU, with the properties they had left. It was a gamble and it took time to get off the ground. The success of X-Men and Spider-Man gave them the cash to do it, as before, their profits were going to pay off ike Perlmutter's investment, when he took them out of bankruptcy. Thos films gave them a cash infusion, which allowed them to legitimately consider forming their own production company, under Avi Arad, Ike Permutter's right hand man. Arad eventually resigned, allowing feige to ascend to control.
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 22, 2019 17:10:56 GMT -5
I just think it's so funny that the multiverse concept is suddenly wieldy, unconfusing, and a boon to storytelling, when back in 1986, it was unwieldy, confusing and a hindrance to telling stories.
Hundreds of thousands of DC Silver Age fans begged to disagree then.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 24, 2019 11:28:34 GMT -5
I don't think I realized that E. C. Segar died at age 43 from leukemia and liver disease. Huge legacy for someone so young. And he only directed the adventures of Popeye himself for about 10 years.
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Post by MWGallaher on Sept 19, 2019 7:47:49 GMT -5
Oops. Say what you will about Vince Colletta, at least he never left out anything like this.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 19, 2019 8:26:33 GMT -5
Oops. Say what you will about Vince Colletta, at least he never left out anything like this.It’s part of the story. The bear took off her nose.
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Post by MDG on Sept 19, 2019 9:05:47 GMT -5
^^^^ "Nose job? No, I didn't have a nose job."
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 19, 2019 9:10:17 GMT -5
Mrs. Voldemort ^^^
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