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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 28, 2016 22:27:15 GMT -5
LOL ! Sorry for laughing Shax , but after all the debating, it seems that this is a big letdown by one of your favorite creators. I'm a big believer in the idea that, as people evolve and change, so does their relationship with their past creations. I don't trust the Dave Sim of 2016 with Cerebus anymore than I trust the Axl Rose of 2016 with Guns n Roses or the Orson Scott Card of 2016 with Ender's Game. He is not the person he was, and as Cerebus does not occupy his every waking day in the way that it once did, he has less reason to respect and protect that work and far more temptation to cash in on it. This may still prove to be a brilliant work, but I ain't betting on it. It's just possible that Cerebus didn't set him up for life. Kinda sad if he's struggling.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 29, 2016 6:22:41 GMT -5
I'm a big believer in the idea that, as people evolve and change, so does their relationship with their past creations. I don't trust the Dave Sim of 2016 with Cerebus anymore than I trust the Axl Rose of 2016 with Guns n Roses or the Orson Scott Card of 2016 with Ender's Game. He is not the person he was, and as Cerebus does not occupy his every waking day in the way that it once did, he has less reason to respect and protect that work and far more temptation to cash in on it. This may still prove to be a brilliant work, but I ain't betting on it. It's just possible that Cereus didn't set him up for life. Kinda sad if he's struggling. It certainly didn't. I think he'd be doing fine if he were still printing the trades -- maybe a hardcover collectors edition and an omnibus edition -- but he isn't. As soon as the major bookstores stopped carrying the old phone book editions (which were now out of step with the quality casual readers expected from a trade) he stopped publishing them, and now, I'd imagine, has very little income, stemming only from whatever else Aardvark Vanaheim is publishing and any investments he may or may not have.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 29, 2016 6:35:14 GMT -5
If he stopped publishing Cerebus 20 years ago, it hasn't been in the public eye for a long time. These properties have to keep getting exposure to be relevant. The owners of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have keep putting out merchandize even without the movies. I wonder if he ever tried to sell Cerebus to the Movies or TV ?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 29, 2016 12:17:53 GMT -5
If he stopped publishing Cerebus 20 years ago, it hasn't been in the public eye for a long time. These properties have to keep getting exposure to be relevant. The owners of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have keep putting out merchandize even without the movies. I wonder if he ever tried to sell Cerebus to the Movies or TV ? He wouldn't unless he kept all rights to the character, which of course no studio would want to hear about. I don't know if any of them ever manifested an interest. Cerebus as a funny animal S&S hero could have had a lot of success, I'm sure. Dave is remarkable in his steadfastness concerning intellectual property and not selling out; like Bill Watterson (or Steve Ditko), he'd never go against his beliefs just for money. I really admire that in artists who are not rich and are truly making a sacrifice when sticking to their guns.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 29, 2016 14:15:47 GMT -5
Dave is now at IDW doing some work for them.
You're correct that he stands for what he believes in like the aforementioned creators.
The only products I know of that he ever approved were a Cerebus hologram, a Cerebus stuffed aardvark, and a Cerebus portfolio that I have which is based on sample cels that were to be part of a Cerebus animated project that got scrapped.
One of my brothers got the complete Cerebus off a Pirate Bay-type web site and told me about it. I know his heart meant well to offer to copy them for me, but A. I could do that if I wanted, which I don't, and B. I recently found out that Sim was offering his own digitized version as I advertised previously.
Another brother and I were talking last night and this was exactly part of the conversation. I told him that I'd be getting it directly from Dave and the proceeds of the $ 100 are split 80/20 between him and Gerhard. He thought that was cool. For all the enjoyment Cerebus has given my dad, those 2 brothers and me, I wouldn't dream of not paying. $.33 / issue is a steal by any means and it's the right thing to do as well.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 29, 2016 14:36:58 GMT -5
I told him that I'd be getting it directly from Dave and the proceeds of the $ 100 are split 80/20 between him and Gerhard. That is really cool on Dave's part, as it is my understanding that he bought back Gerhard's share of Aardvark-Vanaheim a decade or so ago. I know some other businessmen who would have said "mine... mine... all mine!!!"
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 29, 2016 15:08:57 GMT -5
He stands for what he believes in.
If he wanted to cash in, he could have done it years ago.
Working with IDW, maybe we'll see some collected Cerebus.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 29, 2016 15:33:40 GMT -5
If he stopped publishing Cerebus 20 years ago, it hasn't been in the public eye for a long time. These properties have to keep getting exposure to be relevant. The owners of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have keep putting out merchandize even without the movies. I wonder if he ever tried to sell Cerebus to the Movies or TV ? He did try to launch an animated series in the '90s. I'm not sure what prevented it from taking off. Sim has carefully protected his property all along, but unlike a Bill Waterson, he was open to selling Cerebus on a larger scale so long as he maintained control over it. Cerebus's crossover with the Ninja Turtles and with Spawn, for example, were shameless promotions, but Sim had creative control, so he went for them.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 29, 2016 20:36:58 GMT -5
If he stopped publishing Cerebus 20 years ago, it hasn't been in the public eye for a long time. These properties have to keep getting exposure to be relevant. The owners of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have keep putting out merchandize even without the movies. I wonder if he ever tried to sell Cerebus to the Movies or TV ? He did try to launch an animated series in the '90s. I'm not sure what prevented it from taking off. Sim has carefully protected his property all along, but unlike a Bill Waterson, he was open to selling Cerebus on a larger scale so long as he maintained control over it. Cerebus's crossover with the Ninja Turtles and with Spawn, for example, were shameless promotions, but Sim had creative control, so he went for them. Quite correct! And it paid him a pretty penny, too. For which I'm glad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 20:58:09 GMT -5
So we're at the LCS today, and I want to add Cerebus in Hell to our pull list. The clerk starts writing it down.
S...Y...R
So yeah, I'm feeling kinda old right now.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Jul 2, 2016 11:44:08 GMT -5
jodoc: that's not just too young, it's lame ... you'd think if they had any education at all they'd miswrite it as 'cerebrus.'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 12:38:56 GMT -5
Yeah, or even Cerberus would've made sense. But she'd obviously never heard of the character. Hell, even the store owners, who know their comics, have never read Cerebus. I'm glad it's still being made available digitally, but I'm afraid the series is too long (and let's face it, too uneven) to remain relevant to comic fans. Soon, there'll only be a few of us old fogies left who care.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 4, 2016 22:39:32 GMT -5
Hell, even the store owners, who know their comics, have never read Cerebus. I'm glad it's still being made available digitally, but I'm afraid the series is too long (and let's face it, too uneven) to remain relevant to comic fans. Soon, there'll only be a few of us old fogies left who care. I realize consumers tend to have short memories, but come on. It's only been a decade since Cerebus concluded, making comic book history by reaching issue #300. How in the world could an LCS owner not have been aware of this?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2016 23:37:25 GMT -5
Hell, even the store owners, who know their comics, have never read Cerebus. I'm glad it's still being made available digitally, but I'm afraid the series is too long (and let's face it, too uneven) to remain relevant to comic fans. Soon, there'll only be a few of us old fogies left who care. I realize consumers tend to have short memories, but come on. It's only been a decade since Cerebus concluded, making comic book history by reaching issue #300. How in the world could an LCS owner not have been aware of this? They know about the series. But by the time it reached that milestone, it wasn't relevant, commercially. I was the only person to have Cerebus on my pull list for the last 2-3 years of its run back at my LCS in NY, and they never had a copy on display. Most comic fans had turned their backs on the book, and the 'milestone' barely got any press. Today, I'm the only person to ask for Cerebus in Hell so far. I'm the only person who's ever asked them to order a phonebook. And that was the 30th Anniversary gold-logo edition of High Society. Which they didn't know was coming out until I told them about it. Sure, we fans still care. And comic fans should be aware that the series exists. But it isn't on the retailers radar any more, and hasn't been for a while.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 4, 2016 23:44:44 GMT -5
I realize consumers tend to have short memories, but come on. It's only been a decade since Cerebus concluded, making comic book history by reaching issue #300. How in the world could an LCS owner not have been aware of this? They know about the series. But by the time it reached that milestone, it wasn't relevant, commercially. I was the only person to have Cerebus on my pull list for the last 2-3 years of its run back at my LCS in NY, and they never had a copy on display. Most comic fans had turned their backs on the book, and the 'milestone' barely got any press. Today, I'm the only person to ask for Cerebus in Hell so far. I'm the only person who's ever asked them to order a phonebook. And that was the 30th Anniversary gold-logo edition of High Society. Which they didn't know was coming out until I told them about it. Sure, we fans still care. And comic fans should be aware that the series exists. But it isn't on the retailers radar any more, and hasn't been for a while. It's a shame to hear that. I actually didn't even get started on Cerebus until 2002, after a bunch of people who were excited about the series approaching its end were talking it up as the greatest comic ever written. A decade and a half later, I'm not entirely sure they oversold it.
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