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Post by nerdygirl905 on Jan 20, 2020 10:20:07 GMT -5
I'm just hoping people remember Catman and Crazy Quilt, two villains I like! I do. Catman debuted in the same comic Zook (J’onn’s sidekick in the Silver Age) first appeared, and Crazy Quilt I think he appeared in the Batman The Brave and the Bold comic.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 20, 2020 10:26:21 GMT -5
I'm just hoping people remember Catman and Crazy Quilt, two villains I like! I do. Catman debuted in the same comic Zook (J’onn’s sidekick in the Silver Age) first appeared, and Crazy Quilt I think he appeared in the Batman The Brave and the Bold comic. Zook is the best.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 10:26:46 GMT -5
In the 80s, the UK Batman title (called Batman Monthly) began by reprinting 1980's "The Untold Legend of the Batman". However, it soon began reprinting 70s stories. As did various UK annuals. The 1986 Batman Annual reprinted "A Vow From The Grave" (Detective Comics #410) and "The Joker's Five-Way Revenge" (Batman #251). The monthly title reprinted lots of stories featuring the usual suspects such as Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman, Mr. Freeze, etc. But I was pleased to become acquainted with Blockbuster, Catman and Crazy Quilt, they became favourites. As did Man-Bat.
I am sure they must have appeared in the 90s, but whenever I picked up a Batman comic back then, well I didn't see those characters at all. I'll check Wikipedia later, but it's been years since I've seen Blockbuster, Catman and Crazy Quilt. Without checking, I'm sure Blockbuster died (although with DC's constant reboots, who knows?).
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Post by impulse on Jan 20, 2020 11:12:18 GMT -5
Perhaps this discussion has already run its course, but since it was taking up space in the Ditko/Kirby thread I'll say it here, where it,s more suitable: "Artist's editions" should feature the un-inked pencils of the artist in question, or it isn't really an artist's edition it's (as Junkmonkey pointed out) an artists' edition. There, I said it. Now, this is the kind of pedantic attention to detail on minor differences that I come to the internet for. You're right, of course.
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Post by MDG on Jan 20, 2020 11:20:57 GMT -5
Perhaps this discussion has already run its course, but since it was taking up space in the Ditko/Kirby thread I'll say it here, where it,s more suitable: "Artist's editions" should feature the un-inked pencils of the artist in question, or it isn't really an artist's edition it's (as Junkmonkey pointed out) an artists' edition. There, I said it. Now, this is the kind of pedantic attention to detail on minor differences that I come to the internet for. You're right, of course. But wasn't it drawn with the intention that it would be inked? Uninked pencils would be like going to an exhibit of Ansel Adams negatives. (I'm being purposefully contrarian here)
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Post by impulse on Jan 20, 2020 13:55:34 GMT -5
Now, this is the kind of pedantic attention to detail on minor differences that I come to the internet for. You're right, of course. But wasn't it drawn with the intention that it would be inked? Uninked pencils would be like going to an exhibit of Ansel Adams negatives. (I'm being purposefully contrarian here) And someone being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. This thread is ticking all of the internet boxes in one day for me. Friendly and efficient! If it were me, I'd like to see it at all major stages. The pencils, the inked work, the final pages. One thing that I've always found interesting is that it appears to me that the style and level of completion a lot of artists due in their pencils has changed since digital coloring got really fancy. It might just be a stylistic thing on certain people, so no idea if I am right on it being a trend, but it looks to me like since digital coloring really took off pencils are a lot more just about outlines. I feel like back in the day the pencilers would do a lot more shading and completing art work as if it were fully being done in pencil. Then the inker would do their thing, deciding which of the shading to ignore or to decide to ink over, etc, then it would be colored. Cut to more recent stuff I've seen and the pencils are far more spartan. Maybe it is intentionally left blank to allow the colorist room to do what they want. I don't know.
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Post by berkley on Jan 20, 2020 14:35:34 GMT -5
But wasn't it drawn with the intention that it would be inked? Uninked pencils would be like going to an exhibit of Ansel Adams negatives. (I'm being purposefully contrarian here) And someone being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. This thread is ticking all of the internet boxes in one day for me. Friendly and efficient! If it were me, I'd like to see it at all major stages. The pencils, the inked work, the final pages. One thing that I've always found interesting is that it appears to me that the style and level of completion a lot of artists due in their pencils has changed since digital coloring got really fancy. It might just be a stylistic thing on certain people, so no idea if I am right on it being a trend, but it looks to me like since digital coloring really took off pencils are a lot more just about outlines. I feel like back in the day the pencilers would do a lot more shading and completing art work as if it were fully being done in pencil. Then the inker would do their thing, deciding which of the shading to ignore or to decide to ink over, etc, then it would be colored. Cut to more recent stuff I've seen and the pencils are far more spartan. Maybe it is intentionally left blank to allow the colorist room to do what they want. I don't know.
They were also meant to be coloured, so why stop arbitrarily at the inking stage? Pencils alone or nothing, I say - for an "Artist's edition", I mean. Also, I can already see the inked artwork in the published comic. Taking the colour away doesn't make it look any better - quite the contrary, in most cases.
But mainly, it's just that I happen to like the look of the pencils without inks in a lot of cases. Naturally, for an Artist's edition, I'd expect them to choose the tightest, most complete pencils available. If all you have is a bunch of outlines or very sketchy layouts, then don't produce an Artist's edition: you don't have the proper material for one.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 20, 2020 15:02:32 GMT -5
I'm just hoping people remember Catman and Crazy Quilt, two villains I like! I do. Catman debuted in the same comic Zook (J’onn’s sidekick in the Silver Age) first appeared, and Crazy Quilt I think he appeared in the Batman The Brave and the Bold comic. Crazy Quilt was originally a postwar Boy Commandos villain, then later popped up in the Robin solo series in Star-Spangled Comics. The character was MIA for three decades until revived by Len Wein in Batman #316 (Oct. '79).
Cei-U! Knows his Bat-Rogues!
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Post by Duragizer on Jan 23, 2020 3:33:18 GMT -5
There are times when I think the shared universe concept is more trouble than it's worth and should be scrapped entirely. Just place each individual superhero family on their own separate Earth and never allow any crossovers.
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Post by nerdygirl905 on Jan 23, 2020 6:08:07 GMT -5
There are times when I think the shared universe concept is more trouble than it's worth and should be scrapped entirely. Just place each individual superhero family on their own separate Earth and never allow any crossovers. Well, it does have its flaws, but it also makes it more awesome and confusing at the same time when you realize the Creature Commandos are killing nazis at the same time the Justice Society is doing stuff and Circe is both the benevolent witch that helps Comet the Super-Horse (via time traveling though) and the Wonder Woman and occasionally Superman (hi, lion-headed Supes) enemy.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 23, 2020 6:44:21 GMT -5
There are times when I think the shared universe concept is more trouble than it's worth and should be scrapped entirely. Just place each individual superhero family on their own separate Earth and never allow any crossovers. Crossovers are fun. Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water...
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Post by nerdygirl905 on Jan 23, 2020 7:57:48 GMT -5
There are times when I think the shared universe concept is more trouble than it's worth and should be scrapped entirely. Just place each individual superhero family on their own separate Earth and never allow any crossovers. Crossovers are fun. Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water... That’s an awesome expression XD.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 8:03:33 GMT -5
There are times when I think the shared universe concept is more trouble than it's worth and should be scrapped entirely. Just place each individual superhero family on their own separate Earth and never allow any crossovers. Don't be silly! Some crossovers are fun. And I think the shared earth approach is like anything, a "tool" that can be used effectively or ineffectively.
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Post by brutalis on Jan 23, 2020 9:02:34 GMT -5
Where would we be if we didn't SHARE the wealth of cross-over potential within a company or from outside the company?
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Post by rberman on Jan 23, 2020 9:24:54 GMT -5
People like crossovers to a certain degree. It was fun to see Magnum P.I. work with Jessica Fletcher on a case. It was fun to see the Facts of Life kids meet the Drummonds.
But anything can be overdone. The JLA/JSA crossovers could occupy 1-2 issues a year at a time when JLA was only being published bimonthly. Maybe it didn't seem too frequent when kids were reading it only once a year, but now in collected form, it's too soon.
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