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Post by brutalis on Jan 16, 2020 17:02:02 GMT -5
He can regret NOT having the weekly joy of venturing into a LCS and seeing a wall of comic books to explore as he once enjoyed. If you can no longer do something you love anymore you regret not having it. Regret works just fine. I get it.
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Post by rberman on Jan 16, 2020 17:12:31 GMT -5
This is one of those nuances of English. "Regret" can mean "mourn" if you are sad that you did something and wish you had not done it.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 16, 2020 17:14:19 GMT -5
But he doesn’t regret the times he did see the books , just the Time since.
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Post by impulse on Jan 16, 2020 17:14:58 GMT -5
I...understand the point you are describing, but I also do not understand how your word choice gets us there. This might be a case of me not expressing myself clearly due to not being a native English speaker, but... (From Merriam Webster) Definition of regret transitive verb
1a : to mourn the loss or death of b : to miss very much
2: to be very sorry for
I was going for definition 1b. Yeah, makes sense. I see the definitions but that exact phrasing is not quite how it is usually used. As others have said, if you're using it in the sense of missing something you usually word it as you regret the thing being gone. The way it was worded read like you are sorry you went to the stores, but that was obviously not what you meant. And I would have never guessed you were not a native English speaker! Wow. Also, as a native speaker, English can be very annoying, redundant and contradictory.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 17:21:25 GMT -5
All I can think of during this discussion is:
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 16, 2020 23:15:08 GMT -5
There's another thing to factor in as well... time. Those new comics that are $3.99 when they are released can been alot less later... I've been buying 10-book grab bags of newish comics for $7.99 (.80 an issue). As others said, if you can go to a show, or wait for a sale at your local store, you can get the comics you want for alot less. The trick is you have to be patient. Those discounted/$1 books are often the result of overbuys to qualify for variants. If I want to order a 1 in 100 variant for a customer, that variant itself only costs me $2 (on a $4 cover price), but I have to order 100 copies of the regular cover at $2 each so I am likely to price the variant at $200 to my customer, which pays for those 100 copies I order. Now I am not going to sell 100 copies at cover, but if I blow them out at a $1 each I am making $100 if I sell all of them, but I break even if I don;t sell any of them because the variant buyer has paid for them. -M They absolutely are in my case... where I get them from (Newbury Comics, which is a chain of music/pop culture stores her in Massachusetts that sell new comics and trades mostly as an aside) often have their own custom variants for the big events, so I'm sure they have to get quite a few to make that happen. They actually have grab bags of variant cover books too (usually those cost more like $15)... not sure if they're all the store variant or not, but there's lots of them, too. I just hope they don't get better at buying what the need any time soon and kill my supply
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 16, 2020 23:23:58 GMT -5
I've been saying on here for years now I'd love to see Marvel or DC change to a manga-style format and produced 5 or 6 big anthology types and get them back on magazine stands.
The problem being the risk.. while DC is sorta doing this with the giants, it's not REPLACING the regular books, it's just an extra thing. To actually make it work you'd have to force the buying public to change their habits by giving them no other choice, and clearly there'd be plenty that would just leave. Would the pick up of more casual readers work? Would kids would read Captain Underpants and Raina Telegaier pick of a thick 'Avengers Monthly' magazine for $10, instead of 8 different single comics that cost $4 or $5 each? I have no idea, but I'd love to see them try.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 17, 2020 7:21:32 GMT -5
It think it's going to change just because the older comic fans are dying off or moving on. Years ago Jim Starlin released a TPB of a proposed 6 issue mini for Dynamite comics. I think it was called something Kid. It was a space opera with a kid who received powers. I don't think it did well.
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Post by impulse on Jan 17, 2020 12:28:25 GMT -5
Honestly, at this point, with massive companies with billions in their pockets owning both Marvel and DC, they could absorb a lot of risk if they wanted to. For Disney and WB, there is no reason they have to look at the comic books as a self-sustaining industry that must be independently profitable on its own stand-alone basis anymore. I've heard it stated/joked that the comics themselves are now just R&D and story sources for the movies. Okay, fine embrace that. Make it part of the marketing budget for MCU to push some comics into different mass market areas and see what happens. Put a few on newsstands or grocery stores. Try some exclusive TPBs or whatever shipped with Disney+ or with movie tickets. Compared to the hundreds of millions these companies spend promoting and marketing the movies, these costs would be a drop in the bucket. and with clever accounting tactics adding it as a movie cost they could probably even use it as a tax writeoff.
Not to say they ever will, but they could if they wanted.
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Post by rberman on Jan 17, 2020 12:59:40 GMT -5
Honestly, at this point, with massive companies with billions in their pockets owning both Marvel and DC, they could absorb a lot of risk if they wanted to. For Disney and WB, there is no reason they have to look at the comic books as a self-sustaining industry that must be independently profitable on its own stand-alone basis anymore. I've heard it stated/joked that the comics themselves are now just R&D and story sources for the movies. Okay, fine embrace that. Make it part of the marketing budget for MCU to push some comics into different mass market areas and see what happens. Put a few on newsstands or grocery stores. Try some exclusive TPBs or whatever shipped with Disney+ or with movie tickets. Compared to the hundreds of millions these companies spend promoting and marketing the movies, these costs would be a drop in the bucket. and with clever accounting tactics adding it as a movie cost they could probably even use it as a tax writeoff. Not to say they ever will, but they could if they wanted. Disney's disinterest in the comic book market hit home to me when I realized they don't have a line of comic books in their Disney-owned stores. Not even Mickey Mouse comics, let alone an FF or Spider-man series aimed at ten year olds.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jan 17, 2020 13:26:37 GMT -5
I've been saying on here for years now I'd love to see Marvel or DC change to a manga-style format and produced 5 or 6 big anthology types and get them back on magazine stands. The problem being the risk.. while DC is sorta doing this with the giants, it's not REPLACING the regular books, it's just an extra thing. To actually make it work you'd have to force the buying public to change their habits by giving them no other choice, and clearly there'd be plenty that would just leave. Would the pick up of more casual readers work? Would kids would read Captain Underpants and Raina Telegaier pick of a thick 'Avengers Monthly' magazine for $10, instead of 8 different single comics that cost $4 or $5 each? I have no idea, but I'd love to see them try. I see a choice of following the initial 'cheap' but thicker variety comic which could be a kind of loss leader, waiting for the deluxe ad-free color single feature collection (do people not know that those European albums were not created all at once for an album but were serialized a few pages at a time in a weekly?), or a small b&w pocket volume number of the individual feature... the latter options would stay in print. You get people in the door with the big variety comic subsidized partly with ads, and then make the money on the collected editions over the longer term. Valerian, Asterix, Yoko Tsuno, The Smurfs... these all ran in weekly installments telling a complete story arc. I'm not always sure if people in N. America know this about them as they usually only ever see the collected album versions.
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Post by impulse on Jan 17, 2020 14:42:08 GMT -5
Honestly, at this point, with massive companies with billions in their pockets owning both Marvel and DC, they could absorb a lot of risk if they wanted to. For Disney and WB, there is no reason they have to look at the comic books as a self-sustaining industry that must be independently profitable on its own stand-alone basis anymore. I've heard it stated/joked that the comics themselves are now just R&D and story sources for the movies. Okay, fine embrace that. Make it part of the marketing budget for MCU to push some comics into different mass market areas and see what happens. Put a few on newsstands or grocery stores. Try some exclusive TPBs or whatever shipped with Disney+ or with movie tickets. Compared to the hundreds of millions these companies spend promoting and marketing the movies, these costs would be a drop in the bucket. and with clever accounting tactics adding it as a movie cost they could probably even use it as a tax writeoff. Not to say they ever will, but they could if they wanted. Disney's disinterest in the comic book market hit home to me when I realized they don't have a line of comic books in their Disney-owned stores. Not even Mickey Mouse comics, let alone an FF or Spider-man series aimed at ten year olds. Wow, that's a good point. That seems like an opportunity if they had any interest.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 17, 2020 14:46:40 GMT -5
Honestly, at this point, with massive companies with billions in their pockets owning both Marvel and DC, they could absorb a lot of risk if they wanted to. For Disney and WB, there is no reason they have to look at the comic books as a self-sustaining industry that must be independently profitable on its own stand-alone basis anymore. I've heard it stated/joked that the comics themselves are now just R&D and story sources for the movies. Okay, fine embrace that. Make it part of the marketing budget for MCU to push some comics into different mass market areas and see what happens. Put a few on newsstands or grocery stores. Try some exclusive TPBs or whatever shipped with Disney+ or with movie tickets. Compared to the hundreds of millions these companies spend promoting and marketing the movies, these costs would be a drop in the bucket. and with clever accounting tactics adding it as a movie cost they could probably even use it as a tax writeoff. Not to say they ever will, but they could if they wanted. Disney's disinterest in the comic book market hit home to me when I realized they don't have a line of comic books in their Disney-owned stores. Not even Mickey Mouse comics, let alone an FF or Spider-man series aimed at ten year olds. Any shelf space devoted to comics in a Disney store would take away from the merchandise that’s currently there that cost a lot less to produce. You have to pay too many people to produce a comic.
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Post by impulse on Jan 17, 2020 14:50:41 GMT -5
Disney's disinterest in the comic book market hit home to me when I realized they don't have a line of comic books in their Disney-owned stores. Not even Mickey Mouse comics, let alone an FF or Spider-man series aimed at ten year olds. Any shelf space devoted to comics in a Disney store would take away from the merchandise that’s currently there that cost a lot less to produce. You have to pay too many people to produce a comic. And retail shelf space is super expensive, so selling stuffed animals that cost 50 cents to produce is a lot more profitable. And we've come full circle to why the comics industry is dying, ha.
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Post by rberman on Jan 17, 2020 15:05:56 GMT -5
Disney's disinterest in the comic book market hit home to me when I realized they don't have a line of comic books in their Disney-owned stores. Not even Mickey Mouse comics, let alone an FF or Spider-man series aimed at ten year olds. Any shelf space devoted to comics in a Disney store would take away from the merchandise that’s currently there that cost a lot less to produce. You have to pay too many people to produce a comic. There is (or was, as of last fall) a wall rack of Star Wars comics at one of the gift shops in Tomorrowland at the Magic Kingdom in Orlando. Dunno if there's something similar at Galaxy's Edge in Hollywood Studios now. Universal's Islands of Adventure in Orlando has a large rack of current humidity-curled comics at the gift shop in their Marvel zone near the Hulk roller coaster.
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