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Post by impulse on Dec 11, 2019 14:30:39 GMT -5
Wow. That style did not suit him, voluntary or not.
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Post by rberman on Dec 11, 2019 14:34:52 GMT -5
Trimpe chose to change his style. No one forced him.
Though I was not a fan of the change either. I read this as "I didn't have to draw that way; being unemployed was also an option." "If you can't beat em, join em" is still a sort of coercion. He may have enjoyed trying something different at the time. I cannot endorse his opinion that it's the best work he ever did. I suspect that if it sold well, it would not have been "my last series at Marvel."
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Post by berkley on Dec 11, 2019 15:03:19 GMT -5
Exactly.
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Post by MDG on Dec 11, 2019 16:29:16 GMT -5
I think those kinds of "replacement stories" in Silver Age superhero comics probably had more to do with the fact that they were being written for kids and young teenagers (predominantly boys), and one of the worst things that can happen to you when you're that age is that your friends exclude you from the game/event/party/dance etc.... ...'cause you read comics! Amirite?!?
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Post by Confessor on Dec 11, 2019 16:46:26 GMT -5
I think those kinds of "replacement stories" in Silver Age superhero comics probably had more to do with the fact that they were being written for kids and young teenagers (predominantly boys), and one of the worst things that can happen to you when you're that age is that your friends exclude you from the game/event/party/dance etc.... ...'cause you read comics! Amirite?!? Lol...no, it was because you were a whiny little s**t!
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Post by rberman on Dec 11, 2019 17:24:33 GMT -5
It can be done but the odds can be steep of it not blowing things. Especially if there is an animal with a cape. "Who wears capes?" The old Captain Marvel was more flexible, kind of like Plastic Man, and The Metal Men. Looks like animal familiars are all the rage these days. Capes less so, on heroes and sidekicks.
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Post by Duragizer on Dec 11, 2019 22:40:52 GMT -5
Which reminds me.... Post- Crisis Krypto was a stupid idea. A super-powered dog in a cape may have worked in the wacky Silver Age, but he sticks out like a sore thumb in a world grounded in verisimilitude. Just another prime example of the witless nostalgia which turned me off from the post-Triangle Era Superman comics. There, I said it. I don't really follow your argument here Truth be told, even I can't follow my arguments 1/3rd of the time. I suck at expressing my thoughts cogently. Have to admit, that's likely true.
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Post by spoon on Dec 12, 2019 23:42:00 GMT -5
I recently finished reading Starlin's Thanos Saga in Captain Marvel. That made me reflect the Jim Starlin Thanos story arcs. I think that the storylines in the pages Captain Marvel, Warlock, and the 2-part Thanos Quest mini-series are all better than Infinity Gauntlet. The Gauntlet and the Infinity Gems are a cool concept, but seeing Thanos collect the gems in Thanos Quest is much better than the Infinity Gauntlet series after he has them.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 13, 2019 8:32:41 GMT -5
I recently finished reading Starlin's Thanos Saga in Captain Marvel. That made me reflect the Jim Starlin Thanos story arcs. I think that the storylines in the pages Captain Marvel, Warlock, and the 2-part Thanos Quest mini-series are all better than Infinity Gauntlet. The Gauntlet and the Infinity Gems are a cool concept, but seeing Thanos collect the gems in Thanos Quest is much better than the Infinity Gauntlet series after he has them. I agree. But IG is one of the better mini series, although it's more of a slugfest than the other books. I always say that , although Perez left after issue # 3, it didn't suffer from a drop in art quality. Lim did a great job conveying the drama of the final issue.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 13, 2019 11:56:43 GMT -5
I recently finished reading Starlin's Thanos Saga in Captain Marvel. That made me reflect the Jim Starlin Thanos story arcs. I think that the storylines in the pages Captain Marvel, Warlock, and the 2-part Thanos Quest mini-series are all better than Infinity Gauntlet. The Gauntlet and the Infinity Gems are a cool concept, but seeing Thanos collect the gems in Thanos Quest is much better than the Infinity Gauntlet series after he has them. I agree. Almost everything leading up to Infinity Gauntlet was better than Infinity Gauntlet itself. But Ron Lim made it better than I feel any other artists would have done it. In my opinion he was also the best part of Silver Surfer for as long as he did it at the time too. Edit: Or better than Perez. And I do like his art too.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 13, 2019 12:05:58 GMT -5
Infinity Gauntlet is still the best big crossover thingy.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 13, 2019 17:23:38 GMT -5
Have I mentioned how much I miss Darwyn Cooke?
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Post by tarkintino on Dec 13, 2019 17:31:30 GMT -5
Taste is subjective and all, but so many people calling it objectively terrible which is just silly. Silly, or as subjective as you pointed out. From my view/appreciation of comic art, Jim Lee was/is terrible. His work---like the rest of those Image founders--was flat and overloaded with "stuff" as a substitute for dynamic layouts, a photographer's eye and characters who look like they were produced in a cloning facility (for hideous, horse steroid-mainlining clones, mind you)
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Post by impulse on Dec 13, 2019 17:55:54 GMT -5
Taste is subjective and all, but so many people calling it objectively terrible which is just silly. Silly, or as subjective as you pointed out. From my view/appreciation of comic art, Jim Lee was/is terrible. His work---like the rest of those Image founders--was flat and overloaded with "stuff" as a substitute for dynamic layouts, a photographer's eye and characters who look like they were produced in a cloning facility (for hideous, horse steroid-mainlining clones, mind you) I mean, I guess, but it still seems unfairly harsh to me. Even if we don't like something, surely there is some amount of technical ability that can be recognized. It's easier for me to use musical terms, but IMO, there are types of music I really dislike but wouldn't call terrible if they are put together to some level of generally agreed upon objective standards. What I would consider "terrible" would be like horribly executed. Say, out of tune instruments, all playing out of sync and missing the beat, maybe the vocals are off key, muddy mix so you can't hear what they are doing, etc. As opposed to, say, Nickelback, where I actively dislike almost everything I've ever heard from them, but it's recognizable as music. They're in tune, their song structures are comprehensible, their melodies are simple and you can hear what's going on, even if I hate 95% of it. If you don't like Lee, nothing I can say is changing your mind, but I think calling his work "terrible" is absurd. He has a reasonable though exaggerated sense of anatomy, can draw the same characters consistently, you can tell what he's drawn, there is a level of detail others lack, etc. And he draws up to 85% fewer unnecessary pouches than his contemporaries!
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Post by spoon on Dec 13, 2019 19:17:51 GMT -5
I recently finished reading Starlin's Thanos Saga in Captain Marvel. That made me reflect the Jim Starlin Thanos story arcs. I think that the storylines in the pages Captain Marvel, Warlock, and the 2-part Thanos Quest mini-series are all better than Infinity Gauntlet. The Gauntlet and the Infinity Gems are a cool concept, but seeing Thanos collect the gems in Thanos Quest is much better than the Infinity Gauntlet series after he has them. I agree. Almost everything leading up to Infinity Gauntlet was better than Infinity Gauntlet itself. But Ron Lim made it better than I feel any other artists would have done it. In my opinion he was also the best part of Silver Surfer for as long as he did it at the time too. Edit: Or better than Perez. And I do like his art too. I read Infinity Gauntlet all the way through for the first time within the past year or so, after only reading one or two issues when it originally came out. However, I did read a lot of the post-IG Silver Surfer when it first came out, and I agree that he was perfect for the series.
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