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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 19, 2019 21:46:08 GMT -5
I consider him D list because he has Never been able to sustain a title past the 66 issue run that i mentioned. Also , they keep giving him a new origin every few years or so. Okay, maybe he’s C instead of D but he’s not a character that would atttact readers to a inter company crossover.
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Post by Chris on Jan 19, 2019 23:44:26 GMT -5
Wishing DC and Marvel would still collaborate. I was thinking about ideas recently: Green Lantern Corps in the Negative Zone, Aquaman VS Hydro-Man (predictable, I know), the Flash teaming up with Nova, etc. Will DC and Marvel ever collaborate again? If they did they need to make Dr Strange and Adam Strange cousins. Better yet - Dr. Stephen Strange is vacationing in South America when a light flashes across the sky. The light strikes the Sorcerer Supreme, instantaneously transporting him to an alien world. Can Dr. Strange save the planet Rann from menaces the likes of which even he has never seen? Meanwhile... As the zeta beam energy saturating his body wears off, Adam Strange reappears on Earth. In New York. In a very odd looking building. Which is under attack by mystical hordes... I guess it would be published in "Journey Into Mystery In Space" or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 6:11:55 GMT -5
I consider him D list because he has Never been able to sustain a title past the 66 issue run that i mentioned. Also , they keep giving him a new origin every few years or so. Okay, maybe he’s C instead of D but he’s not a character that would atttact readers to a inter company crossover. The point of a forum like this, and I am enjoying it here, is to DREAM rather than get bogged down in boring, real-world semantics about what would sell, who would publish it, etc. Of course I know that a) Marvel and DC aren't going to collaborate anytime soon, and b) if they did, it wouldn't be a Hawkman/Thor crossover. But, again, that's what dreaming and imagination is about on a forum like this. After all, I'd love to see Marvel and IDW collaborate on a Galactus VS Borg one-shot, but I know it isn't going to happen. Never hurts to dream, though.
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Post by Trevor on Jan 20, 2019 8:23:05 GMT -5
Hawkman D list?! What are you guys drinking, I want some! Very securely B list imho.
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Post by rberman on Jan 20, 2019 8:42:42 GMT -5
Hawkman D list?! What are you guys drinking, I want some! Very securely B list imho. I think of Hawkman as a second stringer (not fourth) as well. His wings give him a unique visual presence, though his powers are quite limited, which makes him (like Angel of the X-Men and othe similar characters) difficult to write into action stories alongside stronger teammates. Like many DC characters, he didn't have a strong characterization, and his hook (an advanced alien who comes to Earth to study our police techniques... is he an anthropologist writing a paper on primitive societies? No, he's a space-policeman) makes no sense in the Bronze Age or beyond. His alien-ness ought to give him some unique perspective, like Kory has in Teen Titans, but it never seems to come up. Nevertheless, when Grant Morrison was denied access to him for his JLA run, he immediately invented another "birdman from beyond" to fill the void, so clearly there's an appeal that's not being utilized fully.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jan 20, 2019 9:03:24 GMT -5
And Thor is A list as he was never without his own title as far as I know since first appearing. Thor didn't have his own title during the Heroes Reborn debacle. so presumably he was seen as less popular than Captain America and Iron Man, or was of less interest to Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 9:35:10 GMT -5
And does a character automatically become A-list when they get a film?
I've heard Aquaman described as B-list and C-list by some. It's all subjective, of course. But can anyone say that given that he has a film - and it's doing very well at the box office?!
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Post by rberman on Jan 20, 2019 9:42:30 GMT -5
And does a character automatically become A-list when they get a film? I've heard Aquaman described as B-list and C-list by some. It's all subjective, of course. But can anyone say that given that he has a film - and it's doing very well at the box office?! It's fluid. Aquaman's film certainly raised his profile to a height unseen in thirty years. I bet there are a lot of kids watching The Gifted for whom Polaris is now a more interesting character than Jean Grey.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 10:20:08 GMT -5
In my opinion, both Aquaman and Hawkman are B List Superheroes ... with Aquaman having its own picture and being in both his own film and an appearance in the Justice League Movie ... he is moving up to the B+ list category.
The current Hawkman Comic Book is doing quite well at my LCS and selling out and everyone is talking about it and it's a hit for all fans alike including both teenage girls and young women too. That's alone tells me that both of them are worthy to be a B List Superheroes. It is okay, to disagree with me ... but, I do like them both for different reasons and that's all I can say about it.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 20, 2019 14:02:49 GMT -5
The point of a forum like this, and I am enjoying it here, is to DREAM rather than get bogged down in boring, real-world semantics about what would sell, who would publish it, etc. The point of this forum is to discuss old comics. If you wanna fantasise about comics that never were or you wanna get down into the nitty-gritty of real world circulation figures and other economics of the business, both are fine here. This forum is for whatever its members want to discuss, as long as it doesn't break the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 14:59:18 GMT -5
Of course!
Everyone is free to post what they want. It's just, in the spirit of friendliness, if discussing crossover scenarios, I think it's fun to dream away rather than get bogged down in the semantics of what is possible; of course, a topic about semantics and possibilities and sales figures is fun, too.
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Post by berkley on Jan 20, 2019 15:21:14 GMT -5
I don't mind speculating about these fan-fantasy crossover scenarios on a message-board for fun, but when they actually come to create and publish them in a comic, I usually don't find I'm that interested. The only one I ever read was the JLAvengers one by Kurt Busiek and George Perez, which I wanted to get mainly for Perez's artwork. To be honest, I think I would have enjoyed it more if it had been an Avengers miniseries with the Squadron Supreme or something rather than the actual JLA, because I'm just not attracted to the DC characters much in general and the Superman-worship in particular was a huge turn-off for me in that story.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 15:27:21 GMT -5
What I miss about the early DC/Marvel crossovers is the "shared earth" policy. It felt so special to know that the likes of Superman, Spidey, Batman and Hulk all lived on the same earth.
I was a tad dismayed when years later, it was all multiverse stuff (I know there probably is an earth - I forget the designation and don't particularly care - where DC/Marvel heroes lived together). I still enjoyed the likes of DC VS Marvel and JLA/Avengers, but I am not in awe of the separate universes policy, whereas I was in awe of the shared earth policy.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jan 20, 2019 15:32:05 GMT -5
Thor didn't have his own title during the Heroes Reborn debacle. so presumably he was seen as less popular than Captain America and Iron Man, or was of less interest to Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld. Those were the mostly dark ages I missed out on first-hand.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jan 20, 2019 15:41:32 GMT -5
I guess The X-Men would be a good example of a B lister (or lower to some) that became A list, or The Teen Titans. The more mythology and viking in Thor the more I like it, and with Hawkman the more of a police couple from another planet with a sideline in archeology and antique weapons the more I liked that! Though I only read two Kubert drawn B&Bs, one with Aquaman, an Atom cross-over, a couple Anderson Mystery In Space, and Hawkman #1-11 and a smattering of later issues, and then the late '70s Showcase, I always found Hawkman & Hawkgirl as interesting as any characters and if they were in a comic it was an automatic buy. They would be A list for me, but I can accept they can be B or even C to others... just not D... I mean that's Bwanna Beast territory, or Brother Power The Geek.
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